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Kamikaze In Nassiriya: 6 Italian Soldiers Dead  
User currently offlineTurin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

At least six Italian soldiers (Carabinieri) are reported to be dead after a kamikaze attack against the Italian headquarter in Nassiriya, in the south of Iraq.

These are the first Italian casualties in Iraq since June, when the Italian government sent 3000 soldiers in Iraq.

It's very sad that these guys are dead just to please the wish of our president to show to Bush that we are always ready to follow his orders.

While clever countries (like France or Germany) keep themselves out of that hell, or ask to be paid to send their soldiers (like Turkey), we happily sacrifice our soldiers in a wrong and shameful war (and without any benefit, too!).

What a bunch of Morons are leading us these days!

T_a

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User currently offlineCommander_rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Sorry you feel this way. But your rhetoric seems to lessen the sacrifice these brave Carabinieri have given.

These men were police, providing protection and stability to Iraqi's.

Al Qaeda has threatened Italy in messages last month. This bombing has Al Qaeda written all over it.

The true enemy is not "morons" as you so brazenly have stated, but terrorists striking at individuals who seek to protect principals of democratic freedom.

Direct you anger at those who seek to destroy our way of life and not the governments of Italians, British, Poles, Americans et al.

Thanks and sympathy goes to our friends in Italia.








User currently offlineTurin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Victims are now 12.

News in English here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/12/sprj.irq.int.main/index.html

Al Qaeda? Maybe, or maybe not. What is sure is we are occuping a country without any justifiable reason and someone want us out of Iraq.

Seen people dying only because some fat ass likes to play the "big Commander in Chief" game (or "big Commander in Chief puppy", talking about Italian Prime Minister) makes me very angry.


User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

Seen people dying only because some fat ass...

How many people are going to die if a huge portion of the collective world continues to bury its head in the sand like some ostrich?

The situation in Iraq is not made more deplorable by the precense of Italians, Americans, et al. It suffers because the human garbage that seeks to carry out these attacks so the greater, peace-seeking Iraqi population might never know or enjoy the freedoms we in west value so highly.


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1362 times:


Bad to hear that.

About four weeks ago I visited the German embassy in Rome and had a lecture by a diplomat about current Italian politics.

He said Italy´s military presence in Iraq was rather resented by the Italian public, but protests were not too vocal. I then asked whether he expected that to change as soon as the first Italian personnel would be killed. He was not sure and said more or less "wait and see".

OK, we waited - now let´s see. So how is the Italian public reacting?

Daniel


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

Up to 25 dead now reported, including 17 Italians.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1308 times:

Carabinieri, from my understanding aren't soldiers but a government police force, more akin to the RCMP or the US Coast Guard.


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineTurin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1295 times:

Carabinieri are the fourth Italian Armed Force, together with the Army, the navy, and the Air Force. Within the Italian territory the act like a police force, but when they are abroad they are considered an infantry with additional police skills.

T_a


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

Wait a minute, this happened in Southern IRaq? But didnt america tell us that the Iraqui resistance was only confined to northern Sunni dominated area? Looks like we have all been taken again!

BTW lets look at this objectively:

Were the soldiers armed? - Yes.
Were they in their own country - No.
Were they TRESPASSING - Uh, Yes!
Who killed them - Dunno. Most Probably Iraqi's.

Were the Iraqis armed - Duh! Yes!
Were they in their own country - Yes.
Were they TRESPASSING - Uh, NO!
Who shot at them - The 'SOLDIERS'.

Looks like an open and shut case here. Its a war for our there with the Iraqi people cutting across the religious divide and resisting American attempts to play the "Divide and Rule" game, fighting to win back their freedom from a brutal, repressive occupying force out to loot their country.

People do die in the battlefield.

What is truly unfortunate, is that it is Italian soldiers who have had to pay the price for the spinelessness of their leaders. The Italian leadership wanted to kiss American ass and look where it has led them! Ultiamtely it is the Italian people who are paying the price for their spineless leaders!
Shame!

-Roy


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

I advise everyone here to ignore Indianguy's comments, and to keep this conversation civilized. Both pro-war and anti-war people can come up with good arguments, without justifying any murders (as a certain shameless member does).


Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

2nd that Marco.

The man apparently gets a lot of bad curry.

Turin_airport

It sounds like a pretty close comparison to the USCG then, which is tasked with a domestic law enforcement mission, but is considered an armed force and can/is deployed to war zones.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineTurin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

Victims are now up the 19! My God, this the worst day for our Army since the end of WWII. It's so sad to see all those news talking about the casualties number, raising every hour. All these brave soldiers have paid the highest price, while they were doing their duty far from home. My deepest sympathy goes to their wives, kids and parents. Sooner or later they will ask themselves why one of their beloved is dead so far away from home and who has sent him there.
A couple of week ago Antonio Martino, Italian Defense Minister, stated we should stay in Iraq at least six months after the official end of the current mission, otherwise our allies could think we were weak.
Those 19 brave soldiers are dead for this. No humanitarian reasons (although our Army is greatly helping the people in south Iraq), no military police, or whatever. They died because our leaders wanted to make a good impression to the U.S. administration.
For me, this is not a good reason to die, and someone (who sent our soldiers there) should face the consequences, and pay the price for his irresponsibility.

T_a


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

The man apparently gets a lot of bad curry.

LOL, that's great, explains everything  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1237 times:


Dear Turin:
Let me ask you something: Do you think it is right for your country’s troops to be involved in and get killed while suppressing the freedom of a proud people, that too not for the benefit of Italy, but for the benefit of *another*country and its insane leadership? The 18 brave souls killed yesterday did not die for Italy but for George W Bush. Do you think it is right for Italian troops to be turned into kheema to satisfy the lust of one mad man in Washington? This war and the occupation happened because of GWB. Now will he look after the families left behind? No sir! People like GWB aren’t as good at creating and protecting as they are at destroying! Italy has already once in its history seen its young people being killed due to the madness of one man in the 1930’s. Do you really want to see Italian blood spilt for another mad man today?

If you really feel so strongly about this mad, unjustified war and the illegal occupation of Iraq and how it is affecting the rest of us in the democratic world, then you must do more than just speak out in forums like these, where your calls for sanity are sure to be drowned out by the calls to murder made by the loony right wing. You must get together like minded people, speak out and demand an immediate withdrawal of Italian troops from Iraq.

Here’s what you should do: Write to your MP’s of BOTH houses calling for the immediate withdrawal of Italian troops. Get together a group of like minded individuals and MEET your local MP and make the same demand. Send out letters to your local newspapers. You will be surprised at the response! I certainly was! The internet makes these activities inexpensive and relatively easy. And the response? Well, we had college kids in Pune writing impassioned responses to our letters/articles urging India to say no to sending troops. Last but not the least, seriously consider filing a Public Interest Litigation demanding, well if not a withdrawal, atleast reasons for KEEPING Italian troops in Iraq. If not anything else, it creates an enormous amount of pressure on the Govt. A PIL is one of the most powerful weapons given by Democracy to the common man to make himself heard. So learn to use it.

In India there is a “Right To Information” Act under which we can do that, and I am sure that if India has it, then Italy would also have something like that. And no it isn’t expensive. The last time we spent a total of Rs.1000 ($20) split among 10 people! We managed to find a lawyer in our NGO network who fought the case for free. These things happen; you only have to take the initiative and people come together.

When our own Govt was toying with the idea of sending Indian troops to Iraq, we in Pune did all of the above, and we also kept in touch with people in other cities who shared our views. Did it help? I certainly think so!


If members like Alpha1 really believed in all that he normally preaches during one of his Holier-than-thou moods, then HE would be doing these things in his own country and calling for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Either Alpha1 is a hypocrite or he is too blinded by his misplaced patriotism to see the truth. And the plain truth is that America itself has the most to loose from the actions of its insane leader.


-Roy




User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Marco:Exactly where have I "justified murder" in this post? You people are going too far now, accusing me wrongly and resorting to blatant unjustified name calling.


STOP THAT RIGHT NOW!

-Roy


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

STOP THAT RIGHT NOW!

Indianguy, I won't stop anything until you stop justifying the attacks in Iraq. A death is a death, whether the person killed was an Iraqi or an American. There's absolutely no excuse for your behavior.



Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

"Do you think it is right for your country???s troops to be involved in and get killed while suppressing the freedom of a proud people, that too not for the benefit of Italy, but for the benefit of *another*country and its insane leadership"

Roy-so do you make dinner for Saddam every night or just some nights?

Wasn't your country on the verge of a nuclear war recently?

Keep posting your garbage. I will keep shooting it down.



Go big or go home
User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1167 times:


I sincerely express my condolences for the whole Italian people,but the question is eminent : What brought the Italians to Iraq ? Is it total confidance in G.W.BUSH and his band ? You have been betrayed in that case.


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