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Chain Gangs: Tough Or Cruel?  
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 915 times:

The forum us slowing down a bit, so I thought I'd liven it up with some Liberal squawking Big grin

Are prisons, and more specifically chain gangs, tough on crime or cruel on humans?

When done correctly, I think prisons and hard labor can be humane, but not in their present form. Prison has never been used as a deterrent and was never designed to. Trying to make it will only leave lives destroyed. Prison is a way to get the dangerous off the streets, away from people. A great Conservative myth is that by making prisons inhumane, the crime rate will go down. We've already proven that wrong, but some people still believe it. At what point will these people realize that all humans have the same feelings as they do!?

Okay, have at it guys.


Dear moderators: No.
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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 860 times:

In all my liberalness, chain gangs are not cruel or tough. As a mater of fact, I don't know why more states don't dring them back. The old additive states, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime." Go ahead We're Nut's...have a field day with this one.

User currently offlineHole_courtney From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 859 times:

I think people are in prison for a reason. Because it has been proven (in the majority of cases) that these people are not capable of following the rules the govern society. Chain gangs are nothing inhumane, and are probably good if they're helping with community service.

The effect of punishment of prisoners is a different matter entirely, but chain gangs are just a way for the prisoners to make them selves useful to the society that they had problems living in.

live forever,
hole_courtney



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11198 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 843 times:

"Prison is a way to get the dangerous off the streets, away from people."

Which is the main reason that most prisons include the term "Department of Corrections" in their title, right? Prisons have dual roles: to separate the criminals from the lawabiding, and to "correct" the people who found themselves in jail. (That means making sure they don't want to come back.)

Chain gangs are not cruel. Chain gangs are not inhumane. Chain gangs make criminals want to do right so they don't have to be on a chain gang again.




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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 842 times:

Hmmm, people aren't taking to this topic like I thought they would.

Okay, let's bring that psychopath Joe Arpaio into it. How long until his prison system kills another inmate?


Oh, and the topic title, is just that, a title  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Don't limit this thread to Chain Gangs.



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 841 times:

Please tell me were not gonna revist the almost 200 Arpaio post WN. My view hasn't changed one bit on him. Every prision in America should check out his system, and build there own around a similar platform.

User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 840 times:

I agree with Sheriff Joe, I'm sad to say. Guess that's because I'm a conservative!

If someone screws up and breaks the law, thats the way they should be treated. They must "pay" for their wrongdoing.



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 839 times:

I agree. We as a society have gone way too soft on prisoners. What ever happened to the good old days where the prisoners had a 200 pound steel ball chained to their ankles, and they pounded rock piles with sledgehammers for 12 hours a day?



User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 832 times:

The sole reason there are chain gangs are so politicans can point to them and claim to their consituants they are being tough on crime. There is one significant fallacy however: prison is not a deterrent. There is no data to suggest that the harshness of the prison regeme has any effect on the fall in crime rates, or more importantly, re-offender rates. They are only there so some sheriff or politician can get him or herself re-elected.

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 825 times:

Doing hard labor doesn't change anything, it mearly kills.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 824 times:

I am against chain gangs. Prisoners are humans too. The prison should help them get back on track, and not make them angry at everyone and make them want to commit more crimes.


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 826 times:

And your point is.........??????

User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 822 times:

That is a new one, somewhat amusing.

And if you are so trigger happy with these human's lives, what do you do with the wrongly convicted? Let them die anyway?



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 822 times:

An225: What more would you like prisions to do. Once incarcerated, you can get free education to include your high school diploma, and 4 year degree! Its all a matter of if the prisioner choses to do it. No prision system can make a prisoner choose the best path once out of jail. All it can do is offer an incentive to stay clean, and chain gangs, and less than comfortable livnig conditions do this. I remember way back when I madethe comment that Beer, ahem, We're Nuts was talking like he would put these prisoners up in the Mariott. These people, while humans, didn't care about the people they were killing, raping, stealing from, ect. When a person takes the rights of a law abiding citizen away, why should they be coddled? Once in jail, they should have it tough. No T.V., or radios. At best, I would offer them classes on the pro's and con's of say clean living, but other than that, they should not be treated like royalty. They are in jail for a reason. Before evey prisoner commits their crime, they no the consequences. If they still commit the crime, then to me, that means they accept the punishment if caught. Hell, I wish I could shake Sheriff Joe's hand!

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 821 times:

Chain gangs? Isn't that slightly barbarous? What sort of vicious, sadistic nation are some of you living in?

VIOLENCE breeds VIOLENCE

Prison is bad enough as it is without resorting to cruelty.

mb


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39674 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 817 times:

I an against 'Chain Gangs' in prison.

If we want to rid our society of violent crimes or keep it to a minimal, coorectional facilities need to be actual coorectional facilities. Our current prisons are training grounds for criminals to be more violent criminals. They are treated like animals and are not trained to be more productive members of our society.



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 815 times:

KROC, you keep saying that I would put them up in a 5-start hotel, but all I want is humanity. Is the right to life a free ride?


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineEricmetallica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 814 times:

Chain Gangs are right. Prisoners should be punished like hell. So hopefully the get the message not to come back. Atleast something good is beening done. WE nrrd more prisions. Here in NY if you get 10 years you'll be lucky to stay 5, it's just sad. GO CHAIN GANGS!

Eric


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 813 times:

Most British Prisons have Sauna's in the cell's and A la Carte Buffet's. They have Sports and Leisure activitys. Sometimes I feel like doing something illegal to get off paying taxes and buying food/clothes Big grin

Regards EGGD


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 805 times:

WN, as far as I am concerned, there is plently enough humanity in prision. Where the lack of humanity is, is in the criminals themselves. Thats why they are in prision.

Mx5_boy, spare me your sadistic nation crap. Oh wait, I better end it there, before you start crying bloody murder, because someone is talking bad about you.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 807 times:

Enough humanity, even though Psycho Joe's officers murdered an inmate?


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineCopper1 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 799 times:

You guys have it all wrong. We should force these people to do nothing. We then feed them high fat diets with lots of sugar and starches. When they get out of prison they are all too fat and out of shape to commit crime. Letting these guys work out or making them work hard only lets thems get/stay in shape.
(tongue in cheek)

The prison system in nearly every western country is a dismal failure. It does not rehabilitate nor punish to a high enough level to turn anyone from a life of crime. Prisons have become warehouses for those amongst us who refuse to follow society's rules. We have always had them, we always will have them. Throwing more money into the system has no tangible impact yet cutting money from the system fails as well.

Crime is just a fact of life and we all have to deal with. Short of executing everyone who commits a crime we will never eliminate it.( and even that would not work) There are fluctuations in crime rates based on demographics and the economy but there will always be someone who will break the law

Is the main purpose of prison to punish or is it to rehabilitate? That is a question that can and is debated to the point of nauseum.


Copper1


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 794 times:

WN, again, you are singling out Sherrif Joe. Inmates die at the hands of guards regularly. While this is not good, many times it comes becuase the inamte is acting out. Self Defense becomes neccesary and at times, when all is said in done, a killer, or a rapist might be dead. Again WN, don't be so short sighted because you don't like Sher. Joe. It happens in prisions not only in America, but all over the world.

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 793 times:

Self Defense becomes neccesary and at times, when all is said in done, a killer, or a rapist might be dead.

Or perhaps someone wrongly convicted...

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 787 times:

Self Defense becomes neccesary and at times, when all is said in done, a killer, or a rapist might be dead.

Or perhaps someone wrongly convicted...


Or maybe a kid, in for possession of drugs....



Dear moderators: No.
25 Matt D : I have to agree with Copper1 on this one. What to do with prisoners is something that can be argued for infinity. What I would like to see is more emp
26 We're Nuts : Matt D, if I have time later, would you like to go out and club some baby seals?
27 KROC : Or perhaps someone wrongly convicted... Or maybe a kid, in for possession of drugs.... Chances are someone wrongly convicted will not be causing a dis
28 Post contains images Matt D : We're Mutts:
29 Post contains images We're Nuts : So no matter what, it is the prisoner's fault, right? Becuase the guards are beyond human emotions and feelings, right? And you get mad at Brissie for
30 Post contains images KROC : Don't ASSume WN, you know what happens. What I am doing is taking the opposite side in what you are arguing. You make it seem like the gaurds are aalw
31 Post contains images Carioca Canuck : I think that bringing back chain gangs would do some good for the Mississippi Delta style of blues music. Give them a rubber hammer and tell them to p
32 Ctbarnes : Chances are someone wrongly convicted will not be causing a disturbance warrenting the use of deadly force. Same goes for a drug holder. If they do, a
33 D L X : Could someone please tell me what exactly makes chain gangs "inhumane?" Yes. It is so inhumane to put everyone on a chain and make them clean up litte
34 KROC : Charles: Good point, you got me there. DLX: I totally agree with your statement.
35 Mx5_boy : Kroc says, """Mx5_boy, spare me your sadistic nation crap. Oh wait, I better end it there, before you start crying bloody murder, because someone is t
36 Cicadajet : Some people function as virtual "one man crime waves" --getting up in the morning or at night and committing one petty crime after another all through
37 Copper1 : We're Nuts. I'll go club baby seals with you, give me a call. Copper 1
38 KROC : >I'd like to see you in pink panties in the heat of the desert eating spoiled food for not paying a speeding ticket on time. Ooops, forgot to pay your
39 Blink182 : I have views on both sides: Yes: Lets face it, they did the crime and now they are serving the consequences and having them chained up will make them
40 Cicadajet : I'm glad a really good Sam Cooke song came out of it.
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