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Gore Says Bush Is Fighting The Wrong War?  
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Gore's recent comments that (something to the tune of) Bush thinks he can get Usama bin Ladin by attacking Iraq makes no sense kinda makes me do a little reflection.

When Gore was figuratively one door down from the President's office, I believe we were fighting a war in Kosovo around the time that Clinton was declaring that Saddam had WMD's (chemical, biological, and yes, nuclear) AND we were getting attacked by Usama every other year.

Gee, maybe if THEY had taken care of business instead of appeasement, containment, and "coping strategies", Bush wouldn't HAVE to be fighting multiple front wars now.

Oh, yeah, I forgot..."Bush lied" about the WMD's, right? Then I guess Clinton lied too, then, huh?

You don't have to answer that. We don't need another pie-in-the-sky conspiracy theory of how Saddam secretly got rid of them all during the last few years of Clinton while he was going uninspected by the UN despite Clinton's SEVERAL "last chances" to comply.




"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
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User currently offlineMbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

1. There are no Weapons of Mass Destruction.
2. Clinton didn't start a war in Iraq that subsequently turned into a quagmire (50+ troops dead since Nov. 1).

I thought Republicans were the party that believed in taking personal responsibility for one's actions?

Bush claimed that he had evidence (that was too sensitive to show us) the proved Iraq possessed WMDs, then when none were found, maintained that we went to war to free a people from a cruel despot. If you look back at his debates with Gore in 2000, you will see that he stated very specifically and emphatically that the U.S. shouldn't be in the business of nation-building.

Just once, I'd like to see this phony-baloney pretender that we call "president" own up to his words and his deeds.

And your rhetoric, by the way, is terribly sad. Basically, what you are saying is "Well Dubya didn't do anything that Clinton didn't do." Is that the best you can say for your man?

He will go down in history as one of the worst presidents we ever had.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3394 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

You don't have to answer that.

Amen to that!

Let's lock up the thread right now and avoid the upcoming mud-slinging!



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Maybe if Gore and his buddy Bill had gone after bin Laden, Bush wouldn't have to be dealing with the current war on terror. Heck, Sudan even offered to turn bin Laden over to the U.S. but Klintoon rejected it.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

I still think Kennedy takes the cake as the worst.. followed closely by fuck the fat chicks Clinton.. Bush took care of a mess in Iraq that should have been handled 12 years ago by the UN

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Bush took care of a mess in Iraq...

What's that again? Uh, what about the mess he's created? Or did that slip your right-leaning mind? He's created a situation that is getting worse and worse, and you're actually giving him CREDIT for that? God help us!


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Uh, what about the mess he's created?

It can be validly argued that pre-2003 was even more of a mess. Maybe not so expensive for the U.S., but far more so for Iraqis. People were dying by the tens of thousands every month, according to the U.N.

Charles


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

"Heck, Sudan even offered to turn bin Laden over to the U.S. but Klintoon rejected it. "

You're so _____, don't you think Clinton was doing Bush a favor?

What's with the Bush-Clinton crap? The economic boom of the 90's should not have occurred if a democrat was in charge cuz they do not like mergers and monopolizing as if goes against the idea of giving a darn for the employees. They are both from the south; they think the same and are playing for the same team. If the only differences to some people are their "morals", well geez, do you really need me to tell you?



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User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

The economic boom of the 90's should not have occurred if a democrat was in charge cuz they do not like mergers and monopolizing as if goes against the idea of giving a darn for the employees.

I'm not sure I understand this.. Are you saying that there were few mergers and "monopolizing" during the previous administration? The "merger and acquisition spree" has been going strong for the past ten years+

I may have misinterpreted..


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1757 times:

How would Gore know something like that... Back then he was too busy building the Internet...........



User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1748 times:

The thing that always troubled me.. If Al Gore invented the internet why do all the addresses start with www?

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8198 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Al Gore never claimed to have "invented" the internet for fuck's sake. He rightly took credit for being one of the first people in government to see the mass potential of the internet's predecessor (can't remember what it was called) and steered a bill through congress / senate / whatever the US equivalent of parliment is, which gave masses of funding to research and development. He didn't invent it and never claimed to, but rightfully took credit for being an important champion of the net in the early days.

Take a quote out of context (or just make one up), post it somewhere on the (spot the irony) internet, then get the Washington Times to quote that, then get Fox News to refer to that, and...TA DA! You've got Gore claiming to have "invented the internet".



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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

B757300,
after reading a lot of your posts I can conclude we are on different wavelengths politically, but I have to admit that this time you are absolutely right.

Clinton f**ked up big time. And Sudan, which wanted to move back a bit from fundamentalism was practically begging the US to go get him. It was like, "OK US there he is, now I'll just go out for a quart of milk. If he's dead or gone, I don't know nothin'" Our gov't refused. After that Sudan allowed him to go to Afghanistan since he was no longer welcome in Sudan. A big opportunity lost.

***

This of course doesn't make the invasion of Iraq any less stupid. Best recruiting poster for UBL in a while. No WMD's and while Saddam is a tyrant, there are a shitload of tyrants out there whom we don't seem to care about.
And I still wonder if a "free, democratic Iraq" will be one free to demand Euros instead of dollars for its oil, free to contract with Lukoil or Elf instead of ExxonMobil, free to keep the oil industry non-privatized, or free to tell the US military to leave the country if that is what the people and the leaders the people elect decide is in Iraq's best interest. I oubt it but I hope I'm proven wrong.


PS I do think most of Iraq's industry should be gradually privatized so it would be efficient, but my point was that that should be a decision made by Iraqi's when they have their country back, not by Bremer, the CPA, or the hand-picked governing Council.



I may be ugly. I may be an American. But don't call me an ugly American.
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

Cedarjet said: "Take a quote out of context (or just make one up), post it somewhere on the (spot the irony) internet, then get the Washington Times to quote that, then get Fox News to refer to that, and...TA DA! You've got Gore claiming to have "invented the internet".

Brilliant he is huh?

Who gives a rat's ass about what Gore says anyway?...he has absolutely zero politcal clout. He is just plain old Al Gore, citizen. . . And inventor of the Internet.

 Smile


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8198 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

Jeff M, I was talking about how a political candidate can be smeared, not how they can self-aggrandise. My point is that Gore was made to look like an idiot, on this particular issue, because a claim he didn't actually make was given weight because it was repeated enough times.

In the spirit of fair play, I should tell you that while I think Krusty could do a better job than Bush, I was no fan of Gore either. It just irritates me when people cite Republican lies to prove a point - as though it does them or the Republicans any good to do so! We all heard the "If Al Gore invented the internet, why does it start with dubya-dubya-dubya" line at least two years ago, it wasn't based in fact then, it sure isn't now.



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Of course Cedarjet has a good point; the repetition of vaguely-in-context quotes and jokes tend to stick, and all of a sudden we have Al Gore as the inventor of the "Internet" (however, I really think he does deserve a patent on the "lock box"), and other such stuff as George Bush being a dummy, to which I would ask, how many of you folks calling him a dummy are/were certified jet pilots, and if you are/were, did you ever fly combat jets? Bush may have been "AWOL" from a few Air Guard duties, and may screw up verbally in public, but I have never, ever met a dummy who can/could be qualified in a jet fighter (except Tom Cruise).

Perhaps we should all take a look at what we like and/or dislike about a person's performance rather than attack the individual ad hominomly as Cedarjet suggests. Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

JeffM - If Gore is just a plain citizen.... does that make bush a homeless native american?


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Vitaly,

I'm not sure I understand your question...
My point is Gore does not hold elected office. Same as you and me.

Jeff


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8198 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1665 times:

JeffM, I would think very carefully before you claim that Bush does hold elected office. Even if he won (who knows - I know what I think, and I bet I know what you think too), he took office by Supreme Court appointment, so it's 'appointed office' really, isn't it?


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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1657 times:

No, and I am not going down that road. And if you please, discontinue making suggestions on what I should and should not claim on a silly forum post.

The President is elected to office.

Jeff


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1656 times:


The President is elected to office.


Not this president.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1654 times:

Not this president.

Yes this president. If you don't like the election procedure then say so...


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1650 times:

He was appointed not elected.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8198 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Jeff M, you're the one going down 'that' road by saying Bush was elected. No-one's denying the man is president, or that Gore is not. But you're the one who claimed he was elected. I'm not even saying he lost at the polls, I don't know. I am however saying that the ballot boxes were ultimately not the route by which he took office. The man was appointed by the Republican Supreme Court. End of conversation.


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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Ha ha ha....you say the end of conversation.... Good for you if it makes you feel better.

The court UPHELD the results, the court cannot appoint a President. Don't spin the results, your not that good at it.


David B.. relax buddy... you have some issues that need to be looked at.


25 FDXmech : >>>I am however saying that the ballot boxes were ultimately not the route by which he took office. The man was appointed by the Republican Supreme Co
26 Vafi88 : Umm JeffM - A court can infact appoint someone president.... it's been done in the Jefferson/Burr election way back when... and it was done this time
27 Cfalk : He was appointed not elected. David, Every recount ever made confirmed it. Bush won the election in Florida. He won most of the states. He won the mos
28 Tbar220 : Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush... Do you guys actually think you'll be able to convince eachother of your op
29 Alpha 1 : Enough of this shit that Bush didn't win the election fair and square. He did. The Supreme Court should have thrown it back to the state of Florida, t
30 Dc10guy : Because Gore won the popular vote of the whole country, dah.... I wish the republicans had the same compassion for the "poor Americans" that they have
31 JAL777 : The popular vote means diddly squat in this country. There is no such thing as a national election... we only have local elections, the max of which i
32 JeffM : That's o.k. I'm done. I won't have a battle of wits with an un-armed person or persons. It's just not fair. C-ya Jeff
33 Post contains links Csavel : I personally think that the Florida results are so murky that it is quite impossible to say that Bush won. I frankly believe he probably should have l
34 Startvalve : What winning the popular vote in the Presidential election in the US means : JACK SHIT What winning the electoral vote in the US Presidential Election
35 Dc10guy : The republicans are getting quite the reputation for seizing power, here in the US and in the middle east. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Jeb
36 JeffM : Wow....when did they start a popular vote? So can a team score more runs in the world series, yet loose it? Can't wait to hear your response to this o
37 Alpha 1 : Dc10guy, for the one millionth time, GEORGE BUSH WON THE ELECTION FAIR AND SQUARE! Why can't some people, like yourself, get that through your think h
38 Dc10guy : Fair and square Alpha1 ??? Have you been drinking Cuyahoga river water ??? You have got to be kidding me. I have come to terms with Bush being prez. B
39 Alpha 1 : Fine, then don't come to terms with reality, pal. The facts are there: EVERY SINGLE RECOUNT SHOWS BUSH WON!! What part of that do you not come to term
40 Dc10guy : Alpha1, Its the "fair & square" thing I have a problem with. And NO I won't get the hell over it. O.K. ???
41 JeffM : Can you answer the world series question?
42 Alpha 1 : What part of it wasn't "fair and square"? In the end, the only thing that matters is how the votes have been counted, and the count, every single time
43 VectorVictor : I know its a sore subject for some of you, but had Al Gore simply won HIS HOME STATE of Tennessee, the Florida results would have been a moot point. I
44 Dc10guy : JeffM, In the world series the team with the most runs wins. Seems pretty simple to me. Why can't you figure that out ??? Here is my question. How is
45 Alpha 1 : VectorVictor, that's a home-run point, and that is correct. Al took his home state for granted, and shouldn't have done that. More than Florida, losin
46 JeffM : Dc10guy, your wrong. Let's look at this : ......---Team A Team B game1.....8..........0 game2.....10........0 game3.....9.........10 game4.....5......
47 Dc10guy : JeffM, O.K. Dude lets add this to your example. Say in game 7 they lost track of the score and left it up to team A to decide who wins. Would that be
48 Galaxy5 : DC10, get over it, Bush won the election, by the rules and by law he is the president, get over it and move on, no matter how much you whine and compl
49 JeffM : My example stands. It was done correctly, you can't say "What if". That is just assinine. Your beginning to look more foolish each time you respond. I
50 Dc10guy : JeffM, I can to say what if. All I'm saying is yes Dubya's prez. But it wasn't "fair & square". That's all.
51 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Dc10guy, WHY WASN'T IT FAIR AND SQUARE? Tell us? Give us an example, so we can shred it to pieces? Seriously, what was NOT fair and square about it?
52 727LOVER : Gee, maybe if THEY had taken care of business instead of appeasement, containment, and "coping strategies", Bush wouldn't HAVE to be fighting multiple
53 Csavel : The question is not whether or not Bush won every Florida re-count, (which I need some proof to believe) but whether or not people who we eligible, wh
54 Dc10guy : O.K. Alpha 1 you win. I'm sick of trying to explain my side on this one ....
55 JeffM : Well, you gotta admit...the Dems know a lot about blowjobs...
56 Alpha 1 : You haven't explained anything, Dc10guy, all you've said is "he didn't win fair and square". No exmaples, just rhetoric. Lay them out for us. Convince
57 Post contains images 727LOVER : DC-10guy, 2000 is in the past. Let's look foward to 2004. Spilt milk, dude.
58 Dc10guy : Alpha 1, If you can't see them, I won't be able to make you see them. So please take this as a victory. You win !!!
59 Csavel : Well, you gotta admit...the Dems know a lot about blowjobs... JeffM, All the more reason to vote Democratic in my view. When you want expertise on th
60 Alpha 1 : I win for one reason, Dc10guy-because you don't have a leg to stand on in this arguemnt. The facts aren't on your side, and I think that makes you mor
61 MidnightMike : DC10, you have no point, sorry, Alpha is correct by a long shot, and it has nothing to do with Pro Bush/Anti Bush sentiments, it is quite simply the
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