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User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1836 posts, RR: 14
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 2028 times:

So.......so far, President Bush has demanded the following from the people of London and Her Majesty the Queen:

- That Buckingham Palace be practically rebuilt to withstand a possible terrorist attack. The Queen has said "no".
- That a Black Hawk helicopter be continually airborne over said palace, again to guard against attack. The Queen has said "no, it'll be too noisy." Good for her.
- That large sections of London be closed to the general public, including the City of London (which Bush isn't going to visit!). Vetoed.
- That the airspace above central London be closed during Bush's visit (think of the impact on Heathrow). Again, vetoed.
- That the Tube (underground railway) be suspended in areas where Bush is visiting. Again, vetoed.
- That the United States Secret Service (USSS) agents be immune from prosecution if they kill protestors. This has been vetoed by our Home Secretary. Good for him.
- That the USSS be allowed to deploy a "mini-gun" to protect Bush. Vetoed.
- That the USSS have operational control over the 5000 Metropolitan Police officers, including the world's most highly trained marksmen, SO19, as apparently we're too incompetent to look after ourselves. This again has been vetoed by the Home Secretary.

If the Americans seem to think that we all hate him so much, why is he bothering to come? Is it the fact that a photo of him with the Queen at a State Dinner is too irrisistable to Republican Election strategists? It would be grimly ironic if he paid for a photo-op with his life.

Oh and the best bit: He's going to have to pay the congestion charge on his bomb, bullet and bio-proof Cadillac Deville!

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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 2000 times:

Hahaha, great!  Big thumbs up

I saw this posted on the LHR yahoo group:
Will BA go all soppy over our visitor next week,
following Bloney Tairs antics over the last few years,
and do something special with Airbus A320 G-BUSH.
Pass the sick bag Alice!


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 1996 times:

the sheer arrogance that some of these demands show is frightening.


10=2
User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months ago) and read 1977 times:

What is really worrying about this whole visit is that apparently Bush protestors will be held 'conveniently' out of sight. The other day I saw file-footage of an earlier US President visit to the UK (I believe it was also Bush Jr) where some protestors managed to slip through the security-lines and were able to display some sign just before the convoy arrived. I can't imagine what would happen if something similar would happen next week with 200 trigger-happy US Secret Service agents around.

I don't mind Mr Bush travelling abroad, but if this means that the basic rights of the people whose country he is visiting are ignored and these people have a serious risk of getting shot at by 'immunity demanding foreign secret agents', then I think its best Mr Bush stays home in Texas.

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/38076



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8668 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Stupid question, but is that initial post a parody or serious? I'd have thought it couldn't be serious, but after reading the replies, I think it might be.  Confused


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29786 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Could we have a source for this.

Some of the items on it are very legit, Protection of USSS agents from overzealous prosecution, a helicopter to survey routes being travel, the USSS remaining primarily resposible for protection while being authorized to use local resources.

Others such as rebuilding palaces and miniguns seem like they where written to take in Gullible anti-us types in Europe. In my analysis the quote was written to take actually steps the USSS does to protect a certain official and turn it against him.

Do you think that they would allow him to go there if everything wasn't up to their standards. They would make the Queen or Tony go to Crawford otherwise.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8031 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Eg777er's list is for real, it's been in the British press for weeks. They not only wanted to close The City (the financial district), they actually wanted to close London all the way from The City to Westminster. This is like closing Manhattan from Battery Park to Times Square.

It makes us feel very proud of our PM and our country when we aren't allowed in our capital city, cos W's in town. Anyway I don't know what compromise has been cooked up but a lot of people who work in central London are being advised not to go to work next week. Thanks a lot Tony and George.



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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Yeah, afraid it is.
Welcome to freedom Bush style.
Most if it is of course, total bulls**t, but an example of signalling behavior. In that it shows how impotent, er, important a person he is. I work near the UN and when he comes to town (or when the UN is in session,) it is like an occupation. Most of it is unnecessary.
Also some of the more outrageous demands are probably put in as negotiating points. they can take that out and then get what they actually wanted. Like in labor management negotiations. Unions demand 2 day weeks and 100% raises, mgmt demands slavery and death penalty for lateness. They negotiate and get pretty much what they wanted in the first place.



I may be ugly. I may be an American. But don't call me an ugly American.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

It's called paranoia, boys. This is the most paranoid American administration in history, and they even treat friends as possible enemies, so great is the paranoia.

Yes, 4 more years of this. Not.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

I don't mind Mr Bush travelling abroad, but if this means that the basic rights of the people whose country he is visiting are ignored and these people have a serious risk of getting shot at by 'immunity demanding foreign secret agents', then I think its best Mr Bush stays home in Texas.

On the contrary, perhaps the violent and uncivilized protestors can stay home while Bush is in the UK.

It's called paranoia, boys. This is the most paranoid American administration in history, and they even treat friends as possible enemies, so great is the paranoia.

If there was no terrorism, there would be no need for extraordinary security measures.

Unions demand 2 day weeks and 100% raises, mgmt demands slavery and death penalty for lateness.

Well, you are free to become an entrepreneur. Then you won't have to deal with either mgmt or unions in your own company. That would take guts though.







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User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

L-188:

"Some of the items on it are very legit, Protection of USSS agents from overzealous prosecution..."

Overzealous prosecution? WTF is that?! Bush is VISITING another country, a coalition partner to be more precize. Prosecution of USSS agents would only take place in case anything 'nasty' would happen, to see whether these agents did the right thing. Granting them immunity beforehand for anything nasty which might happen might be something normal in the US, when visiting another country you'll have to comply with local law. If you don't want to comply, stay home.

Alpha 1:

For some more paranoia, I suggest you read this article "‘Paranoid’ US security push threatens future of transatlantic flights" http://ww1.sundayherald.com/38062



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8031 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Look, speaking as a Londoner, I think this whole thing stinks and the whole city is really angry about it. America is supposed to be our friend and we went all the way to bat for them in Iraq, despite the fact that there was no threat either to us or the USA. But America is our friend and we went to war for them. As a thank you, British companies were excluded from bidding, let alone receiving, a single reconstruction contract in Iraq. And now Bush is coming to visit our capital and we're being treated like criminals, not allowed anywhere in our own city. If we're friends and partners, why are we being treated like this? I'm not anti-American but it looks like there are plenty of anti-Brits in Washington. So much for the 'Special Relationship'.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

One or two of you wanted documentary evidence of the kind of things that have gone on in preparation for this visit. The link is for an article that goes into detail about what seemed like quite a good idea at the time, but is rapidly turning into a bit of a nightmare for both the British and Americans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/11/16/nbush16.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/11/16/ixnewstop.html



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13151 posts, RR: 78
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

When was the last US Presidential assassination? 1963.
The last that got close? 1981, (but does that plane flying at the White House a few years ago count?).
Both on US soil I might add.

Last PM assassinated? Don't know, early 19th century perhaps?
Last attempts? 1984 and 1991, by a terrorist group (now pretty much defunct) that was heavily funded by many US citizens.

Who out of the US and UK security agencies has had several decades of experience in anti terrorism, as opposed to the last decade or so?

Respectable news sources have quoted the measures asked for above, fortunately they've mostly been turned down.
I suppose they think the police/security services over here are all jolly unarmed Bobbies like some Hollywood caricature.




User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8668 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

So who's left being no enemy of GWB's United States? I guess this goes to show what you get when you let a Texan with zero experience and no knowledge of the world handle your country.

Plesae, give the "free world" someone it wants to call its "leader" the next time... like Clinton; if only he could run again.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

"I suppose they think the police/security services over here are all jolly unarmed Bobbies like some Hollywood caricature. "


That does about sum it up. We love those fuzzy hats on those gate guards..


User currently offlineGc From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2003, 356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

"Some of the items on it are very legit, Protection of USSS agents from overzealous prosecution..."


How about the decorated veteran British Major (Bush put his Iraq speech up in the Oval Office) who's reputation was dragged through the mud by the US Military on a half arsed allegation of "mistreating Iraqis" by a part time US soldier who had never been in combat before. But we still don't know which US servicemen killed ITN reporter Terry Pack, or who bombed and killed 18 Kurdish troops and severely injured a BBC news crew (John Simpson). Double standards people! In fact yet again (was well known in WW2) our troops get killed by trigger happy inexperinced kids with powerful weaponary ON THEIR SIDE. But only get an apology, if that.

We've been fighting terrorism on our own soil for 30 years and as the Bloody Sunday enquiry shows we're making ourselves accountable now for our actions. Also with some of the best trained and experienced counter terrorist Police, special forces and military in the world I think we can protect a jumped up Texan oil brat!!

Sorry, didn't mean to rant, just getting sick of the arrogance!


User currently offlineGc From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2003, 356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

 Smile I got so riled I meant to say Terry Lloyd, not Terry Pack....sorry!

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Speaking as a NY'er..

Lame European, Russian and Asian Politicians get the same security measures when they visit the UN.

Traffic in Manhattan comes to a stand still, whole avenues are blocked.

This happens in NYC alot, so to all these "whiners" try hosting the UN.

See what security demands they make, politicians from Kruschev to Castro have come to the UN in NY.

No assasinations, no "pie" incidents.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8668 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Blocking avenues and so on is what always happens, and I don't think anyone would be as mad as they are if it was only about shutting down road traffic in parts of London.

For what it's worth, Eg777er wrote "That large sections of London be closed to the general public, including the City of London (which Bush isn't going to visit!)." which is different from halting road traffic in parts of Manhattan. Just have a look at the list on top of this thread, I don't think any UN visitor would even dare to demand such measures.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Oh and the best bit: He's going to have to pay the congestion charge on his bomb, bullet and bio-proof Cadillac Deville!

And with all the other vehicles he'll be using, the congestion charge could cost him £600 by the end of the week according to the Mail on Sunday.

Josh


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8668 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Any state visit will probably earn the City of London less money (Congestion Charge) than they would without it.  Laugh out loud


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Speaking as a NY'er..

Lame European, Russian and Asian Politicians get the same security measures when they visit the UN.

Traffic in Manhattan comes to a stand still, whole avenues are blocked.

This happens in NYC alot, so to all these "whiners" try hosting the UN.


Exactly. It's the same everywhere. This complaint about Bush's security requirements in London is just more thinly veiled anti-Americanism.




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User currently offlineGc From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2003, 356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

"Exactly. It's the same everywhere. This complaint about Bush's security requirements in London is just more thinly veiled anti-Americanism."

No we just have REAL experience of doing the job with the minimum of fuss, the IRA saw to that in the seventies and eighties. I think the problem here in Britain is that we are treated as if we don't know anything about protecting people or fighting terrorists. Remember quantity doesn't equal quality!



User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

If there was no terrorism, there would be no need for extraordinary security measures.

This is exactly what the terrorists want, bright boy-for us to limit freedom, to do things out of our character; to be paranoid-to act as you do-afraid. And that's how Bush's handlers look when they demand such crap-as afraid.


25 Vafi88 : JeffM - Atleast the men in those fuzzy hats don't just go around shooting people. (note: The cop who shot 2 illigitimate children in like a year in De
26 Arsenal@LHR : Dubya will bring with him a few hundred secret service sharp shooters. I would imagine that is more enough if you consider all the security measures S
27 Post contains images Yyz717 : I would imagine that is more enough if you consider all the security measures Scotland Yard and metropolitan police are taking along with all the bag
28 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Gee whiz....sounds just like the security afforded Tony Blair when he visits the US. That was the point, bright boy, that everyone has been making on
29 Arsenal@LHR : WFT??? Where's the 'Anti--Americanism' in my post? Dude i didn't even criticise anyone in my post so on what basis do you accuse me of anti-americanis
30 Petertenthije : I don't believe Blair demanded that half of Washington be closed of to the general public. Nor did Blair demand immunity for his security forces in ca
31 Yyz717 : WFT??? Where's the 'Anti--Americanism' in my post? Chill out Arsenol. Only my first sentence responded to your comment. My second statement was a gene
32 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Arsenal, that's the usual thing he comes up with just to upset people... Do just like me: ignore his crap! For the rest: as long as they keep the prot
33 Post contains images Alpha 1 : My second statement was a general one directed at those opposing the security measures for Bush, not you. Dude, no one opposes security measures for B
34 Yyz717 : We all know Bush deserves proper security measures-no one has denied that, but half of the British Isles shouldn't have to shut down for him. Can't yo
35 FDXmech : >>>This is exactly what the terrorists want, bright boy-for us to limit freedom, to do things out of our character; to be paranoid-to act as you do-af
36 Arsenal@LHR : Chill out Arsenol. Only my first sentence responded to your comment. My second statement was a general one directed at those opposing the security mea
37 Aloges : Yyz717, please have a look at reply #4. I was entirely serious about that, I thought those demands were a joke made up by someone with time on his han
38 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Aresenal, he can't help himself: read the thread on the new Louisiana Governor: he always says stuff he can't back up, then he refuses to answer later
39 Yyz717 : You blatantly accused me of anti-americanism Read my last response Arsenol. Only my FIRST statement responded to you. I'll repeat it here: Gee whiz...
40 Alpha 1 : Yyz, stop preaching to him: you accused anyone on here, actually, who didn't agree with these ridiculous demands for overkill on security, as being an
41 FDXmech : >>>For the rest: as long as they keep the protestors far away from him so that FOX news can show pictures of Dubya being welcomed in a peaceful enviro
42 Post contains images Aloges : Yyz717 & Alpha 1, I thought I'd let you know that you're putting a broad grin on my face. Thanks!
43 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Obviously you don't watch Fox News. No, maybe we watch something a little more unbiased that that GOP rah-rah outlet.
44 Yyz717 : who didn't agree with these ridiculous demands for overkill on security Ridiculous demands to some maybe be reasonable measures to someone else. Shade
45 Aloges : Yyz717, read the freakin' list of demands!!! You'd maybe see WHY Alpha 1 and everyone else is talking about an overkill THEN. How about denying you an
46 Schoenorama : STT757: "This happens in NYC alot, so to all these "whiners" try hosting the UN. " What a load of bullsh!t How about the money the people of NYC are m
47 Alpha 1 : Ridiculous demands to some maybe be reasonable measures to someone else. Uh, wrong. You just don't have the balls to critisize Bush. That's what it bo
48 Arsenal@LHR : Gladly. Every single foreign leader to the UK is subject to iron clad security. There are no complaints about that....the complaints only seem to be a
49 Yyz717 : Yyz717, read the freakin' list of demands!!! You'd maybe see WHY Alpha 1 and everyone else is talking about an overkill THEN. Shades of grey. The US l
50 Jcs17 : I'm sure half of you wouldn't be too upset, and some actually rather pleased, if Bush was picked off in the middle of London. Lets also face the fact
51 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Shades of grey. ROTFLMAO!!!! Shades of grey? Try every hue in the color spectrum! Again, read the freakin' list instead of kissing Bush's ass, for Chr
52 Petertenthije : Most Londoners will not be inconvenienced. Have you got any idea how large the area is Bush wants closed?
53 Aloges : "Shades of grey. The US leader is terrorist target numero uno, as are US citizens and institutions. I can think of about 3000 dead Americans who would
54 Alpha 1 : Have you got any idea how large the area is Bush wants closed? Does it matter? It's for a man that, in his eyes, is practically God-like. They should
55 Petertenthije : LOL [filler] [filler]
56 Yyz717 : But what Dubya had on his mind would have "inconvenienced" a couple of millions of people. Given that so many of the requests have been vetoed, to wha
57 Aloges : "So tell me....what is the big deal?????" It's the idiocy of even demanding what he demanded. It didn't only show how little he (or his administration
58 GDB : Funny that jcs, it was not this haven of 'extremists' that carried out the biggest terrorist attack in history, it was 19 guys living unmolested in th
59 Yyz717 : Given that he's agreed to the UK vetoes & hence the toned down security, then perhaps Bush is more flexible than you give him credit for? Most Londone
60 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Given that he's agreed to the UK vetoes & hence the toned down security, then perhaps Bush is more flexible than you give him credit for? ROTFLMAO!! W
61 Aloges : What insult? You just didn't seem to be willing to agree that it was foolish to demand those things. The demands were the whole point of this thread,
62 Schoenorama : The BIG DEAL is that the USSS had the balls (read arrogance) to demand these conditions in the first place. That's the BIG DEAL. These conditions woul
63 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : LMAO. Oh well at least i get to take a shot of Air Force One at LHR.
64 Zak : this is just in line with the attitude towards the international court of justice(which would only prosecute criminals if they dont get prosecuted wit
65 Banco : One thing to remember here though is that it is extremely unlikely that Bush has demanded any of these things. The Secret Service and the CIA will cer
66 Alpha 1 : Again, this is not GWB's fault, but his advisers should have made absolutely sure that the security people trod softly when the arrangements were bein
67 QANTASFOREVER : Hmmm - this is strange. When bush visited Canberra recently only the diplomatic sector of the city was cordened off. A perimeter exclusion zone was se
68 Copaair737 : Those demands are quite extreme, and just for one person coming too. C'mon, blocking off half of London? Having a blackhawk hovering the entire time?
69 Copaair737 : And the part where they wanted immunity from prosecution to kill protesters? What the hell is that? That violates pretty much every right that people
70 NoUFO : The buck stops with Bush, not his advisors. Neither Mr. Bush, nor his advisors are responsible for the safety of the President. I wouldn't be surprise
71 FDXmech : >>>Think about how insulting that is, imagine if the Queen insisted on a Harrier being permanently flown above the White House, or that the SAS were i
72 STT757 : "How about the money the people of NYC are making because that city hosts the UN!" The local news affiliates every couple months do stories on the tot
73 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : The only thing that I like about Bush is his choice of vehicle. The Cadillac DeVille! EmiratesA345
74 QANTASFOREVER : STT757, True, the fact that NYC hosts the UN is a great source of Pride for the City. Uh, aren't you forgetting the great source of money that flows f
75 STT757 : "A recent estimate put it in the billions - in reference to direct and indirect investment in NYC as a result of hosting the UN general assembly." I a
76 Galaxy5 : Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 5865 posts, RR: 57 Reply: 63 Posted Sun Nov 16 2003 23:36:06 UTC+1 and read 183 times: LMAO. Oh well
77 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Duh, Galaxy 5, I think he's talking about taking pictures of the fucking aircraft, Mr. Super Spy. Good God!!!
78 STT757 : Yeah relax Galaxy, that's not what he meant and you should know it. Arsenal is one of the most stable people on these boards, I really think you shoul
79 Galaxy5 : Relax, relax. Its meant as tongue and cheek, get over yourselves.Next time i'll place a smiley face next to it. Geez
80 Post contains images STT757 : Or one of these.. Filler.......
81 777236ER : Excuse me Yyz717, you're saying Britain - one of America's ONLY PARTNERS in the Coalition of the Willing, is anti-American?! What planet are you livin
82 Alpha 1 : Galaxy5, when you put something in caps like that with no smiley face, or winking face, or whatever, it doesn't look tongue-in-cheek, and, seeing your
83 Lj : Most Londoners will not be affected....this is the main issue Given the protests, most Londoners will be affected. Which is pretty much the point - th
84 Galaxy5 : alpha1, quit whining like a little baby.
85 Post contains images Yyz717 : Excuse me Yyz717, you're saying Britain - one of America's ONLY PARTNERS in the Coalition of the Willing, is anti-American?! Errr..no Mr. Jump-to-conc
86 Alpha 1 : Errr..no Mr. Jump-to-conclusions. I am however accusing SOME of the whiners about these security measures of being anti-Bush or anti-American. "Oh tho
87 Post contains images StarAC17 : THIS STATEMENT HAS BEEN FLAGGED AND SENT TO THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE. John Ashcroft is monitoring the sight and has determined that you are wi
88 Lan_Fanatic : Good god... If he has asked that from London, imagine what will he ask from Santiago next year, when he comes down here for the Asia Pacific Economic
89 Alpha 1 : If he has asked that from London, imagine what will he ask from Santiago next year, when he comes down here for the Asia Pacific Economic Forum! "Dear
90 STT757 : No free trade for you!...
91 Airplay : Lets also face the fact that London is also home to some of the most anti-Western extremists in Europe, people who would relish the opportunity to see
92 Post contains images Yyz717 : You are hearby requested to give up your soverignty, and submit yourself the the whims of this nation for the period that the Honorable George W. Bush
93 Post contains links STT757 : http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1087545,00.html "Protests begin but majority backs Bush visit as support for war surges See the ICM
94 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Yyz717, you can't even come close to what I wrote, although, in fairness, what I said, you'd see as a minor inconvenience to the Chilean people. After
95 Airplay : Most extreme anti-establishment organizations can be found in the largest cities. London is among Europe's largest. OK. How about New York or LA? Get
96 Yyz717 : Singling out London as some sort of haven for extremists while sitting in at a computer in the US is pretty outrageous in my opinion. Every large city
97 Post contains images Businessflyer : I don't comment usually on these types of threads, but just a number of thoughts. First, the protection of government officials etc. for the most part
98 Alpha 1 : Wow....you just insulted about 32M west coast Americans with that comment. The truth can suck, can't it? But that's California for you.
99 Airplay : Wow....you just insulted about 32M west coast Americans with that comment. Californians just elected a Governor, not based on his political background
100 777236ER : THANKS No problem Yyz717, no need to shout though. While we're on the subject, why do you see Britain as being anti-American? Given that we were one o
101 Yyz717 : While we're on the subject, why do you see Britain as being anti-American? I don't see the UK as anti-American. Does that mean there are no anti-Ameri
102 Post contains images Airplay : .....and yet, Bush remains odds-on favourite to be re-elected in 2004. Of course he's the obvious choice to be "re" elected. Who else would be in THAT
103 MIAspotter : WOW! more demands than J-LO! and he is not even half as sexy as she is! Please Welcome the first ever president-diva Mr George Bush (or shall we call
104 Yyz717 : Essentially you have a "Queen meets cowboy" scenario except the cowboy in this case isn't a charmingly naive character with a wholesome reputation. N
105 777236ER : Many of the planned protestors for Bush's visits are hard core leftists (and hence anti-American). Yeah, many of them are. Many of them hate the US. B
106 Airplay : Now you're just stooping to silly insults about GWB Have you just now figured out that I think GWB is an idiot? If you are sensitive to posts that ins
107 MidnightMike : Speaking as a NY'er.. Lame European, Russian and Asian Politicians get the same security measures when they visit the UN. Traffic in Manhattan comes t
108 Post contains images Jaspike : There could be language problems... Americans have 'pants' we have 'trousers'. Americans have 'sidewalks' we have 'pavements'. Americans have 'moose'
109 Yyz717 : Many of them hate the US. But the majority don't. The majority LIKE the US - why do you think we keep on coming to Disney Land for crying out loud? Sp
110 Silverfox : yyz717 wrote The man has a Masters degree. He is hardly an idiot. having a degree does not make you intelligent. You only have the ability to remember
111 Yyz717 : I know people who are Doctors (not MD) professors and they are not fully paid up members of normal thinking society. they have trouble changing plugs,
112 GDB : I love the way MidnightMike regards all non US leaders as 'lame', heard Bush open his mouth recently? Or ever?
113 Cptkrell : Firstly, relative to the original post, Mr. Bush is "bothering" to visit London at the invitation of Mr. Blair. Second, I question if the security "de
114 Post contains images Airplay : certain people's blind hatred of him Where do you come up with this stuff YYZ717? I never said I hated George Bush. On the other hand, he might not li
115 Bobrayner : Lame European, Russian and Asian Politicians get the same security measures when they visit the UN. No, they don't. The last time I checked, none of t
116 Alpha 1 : Was just watching ABC News World News Tonight. It said that British and American officials said that the already-extensive security measuresd are in p
117 Cptkrell : Alpha1; if you re-read your reply #116, you will see that your first two paragraphs contradict each other in diametric opposition by 50%. Regards...Ja
118 Alpha 1 : In what way do they contradict? It says the measures that are in effect are there for the reasons I mentioned, so it's only safe to assume that the ri
119 Cptkrell : Alpha1; If I diagram your presentation, you will find that you say: (in para 1) "...British and American officials said that the already extensive sec
120 Yyz717 : He's a man, he started the war, he should be able to take the heat. Errr....which war did GWB start Alpha? It was not the most recent Gulf War...that
121 Bobrayner : that was started by Saddam Hussein with his defiance of UN sanctions. Incidentally, where are the WMDs?
122 Airplay : Errr....which war did GWB start Alpha? It was not the most recent Gulf War...that was started by Saddam Hussein with his defiance of UN sanctions. You
123 Yyz717 : He defied the wishes of the UN and started a war. It was Saddam who did far more defying of the UN than Bush ever did. Incidentally, where are the WMD
124 Post contains links Galaxy5 : Gee, maybe some of the requests the USSS mad werent so far off now. great security measures over there at the royal household. http://www.foxnews.com/
125 Alpha 1 : Yes, Galaxy, they should have told everyone in London to clear THEIR city, so Bush didn't get embarrassed. Such a travesty. You're as paranoid as they
126 777236ER : Ah, are these the same Daily Mirror reporters that try 365 days a year to breach the security at Heathrow? They do it to sell papers, not to raise sec
127 Post contains links Businessflyer : Alpha... I think Galaxy was referring to this story... http://www.mirror.co.uk Which is a bit of a shocker... For reference, the Daily Mirror is one o
128 Senliture : oh yea one more thing, maybe Mr Bush tomorrow will request the whole Paliament or whoever in the world to sing "God Save the Bush"
129 Malina : I saw Bush's speech today, on SkyNews. And while I was listening to what he was saying, I wondered why he repeatedly had this good-daddy-grin on his f
130 Post contains images Yyz717 : I wondered why he repeatedly had this good-daddy-grin on his face each time he talked about very serious issues... is that because he has a poor P.R.-
131 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Well, you're not human, Yyz717, so you can't add yourself into that category right now.
132 KYIPpilot : Yyz717, all the humans I have seen do not have a big grin on their face while speaking about very serious issues...
133 Yyz717 : Well, you're not human, Yyz717, As Hitler said to the Jews Alpha. Seig heil to you too. all the humans I have seen do not have a big grin on their fac
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