Gaypilot From France, joined May 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2164 times:
Im from Scandinavia. A airline pilot and gay. Leaved the closet short while ago.
I´m interested in finding other guys in the same situation. Sometimes it feels like you´re the only one. But I´m sure there are more pilots that are gay.
Please let me know!
Tomindc From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 127 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
No, but sure wanted to be! I was taking flying lessons in US Air Force ROTC (not recently, in 1970) when I was booted out for having allergies. Don't know if I would have actually become a jet jockey in the USAF but I was sure disappointed.
Brissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1511 times:
From what I have heard you are a real spunk rat. I would love for you to be in the right seat (coz you obviously don't have the maturity to be in the left). Instead of concentrating on flying, I will spend my time hitting on you and trying to get into your pants. Oh yes baby.
Cmon mate, get real. How does gay and being a pilot give the *rest of us* a bad image? And you say you hope you never have to be a crewmember with one of us. Why is that? And what would you do about it?
XQF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1491 times:
You are one funny guy DG-pilot! All i can say is when your acne clears, you no longer have to wear braces and some girl finally asks you out on a date (which at 16 yrs old will be a long while yet with that attitude of yours!!) you might be lucky enough to become a "crewmember" hehehehe - until then study hard and write us when you've matured a little!
Aussiemite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1478 times:
I say this with an unblemished record of hetroness...
Id prefer to have any fag as long as they can think on the job over DG_pilot as my officer, captain whatever.. DG_pilot you can't deal with problems for example you said ud shoot urself if u found ur child was gay..
what happens if something goes wrong? you shoot youself?..
when im flying the last thing im thinking about is my co-pilots sexual preference.. (except my abinitio instructor my god was she hot)... but when flying you leave all that crap out... do your job...
TriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1476 times:
"What's your problem TriStar?"
If you read back, it should be clear to you that I'm not the one with a problem. Tututut.
If you have some unsolved matters with your sexuality, displaying a homophobic attitude does not seem like a very good solution, I'm sure you'll agree. Also, if you really are an aviation professional, you are to know all of us deal with all kinds of people on a daily basis. I've never heard a pilot say anything like what you said, simply because it doesn't make any sense.
In other words (in case I have to spell it out), if you are a pilot, you must have flown with gay people in the crew many a time. And just because you think your flight crew colleagues have always been straight, doesn't mean they have been. Think about it.
Additionally, I don't understand how someone who would have the brains to fly an airplane, does not have the common sense to see what I just said, for himself.
Copper1 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1463 times:
As a non pilot who relies on others to get me from point A to point B, what the hell do I care what my pilot is.( except a good flier ) They can be green with three eyes for all I care as long as they get me and the airplane back onto the ground safely.
Crawl back into your cave DG Pilot and find some more Neanderthal types. You seem to fit in well with them.
By the way, I'm as straight as they come. Like they say, they're here, they're queer and they aint going to go away.
DG_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1463 times:
I personally think it is wrong, simple as that. Who cares if you all do not agree with me, I have my beliefs and you have yours. I'm sure you will find people on both sides.
I want a crewmember who I can feel totally comfortable with. Not only for my sake, but his or her sake as well. If I was him, I probably wouldn't want to fly with someone like me either.
Copper1 seems to think I am a Neaderthal, which puzzles me, because I show no alike behavior (quite opposite actually). Copper1, will you please tell me how I am resembling a Neaderthal?
Another point, I shouldn't put all the blame on him for what I call wrong, but also on a society which allows it. You will find however just as many people who believe it is wrong as I do. Some of you act surprised that I think it is wrong.
Go ahead and make personal attacks, I could care less coming from the Internet. I have my flame suit all zipped up and ready.
Some of you question my ability as a pilot due to this thread for some reason. That is fine. I would however question a pilot's ethics for resorting to personal attacks BEFORE standing up for what they believe in. I did the latter. Make sense?
Hopefully this will develop into an interesting thread, which will teach us something all.
Have a nice day,
Gaypilot From France, joined May 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1454 times:
What proportions this become!
I´d just want to know if there are other guys that are pilots and gay.
To get in countact with someone, maybe from Scandinavia.
But this become a discussion about gay and beeing a good or bad pilot? For god sake. What do you hetro´s really think. That you are better pilots, and I´m a bad one?
OK. For sure there is 10pct gaypilots out there, and as I know, there have never been an accident due to that the gayfirstofficer freaked out and start dancing on the rudders....
So you hetropilots out there, I´m sure you have been flying toghether or as a passenger on a flight with a gaypilot, captain or as a f/o.
You are still alive...
TriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1447 times:
Exactly my point, Gaypilot. You will see there are plenty of people in here who feel the same way.
As for DG_pilot:
"Some of you question my ability as a pilot due to this thread for some reason."
As I recall it, personally, I made a point about your statement - not your piloting abilities. If you are in fact a pilot, I don't consider myself to be in any position to pass judgement on that. However, you are quite clearly displaying some sort of lack of insight into society.
So society "allows" homosexuality? Next up, you're going to say society "allows" black people. I'm sure you'll see that's not making an awful lot of sense.
Maybe Copper1 was using the Neanderthal comparison as a reference to primitive thinking. Well, who am I to say.
All I can say is, if you don't agree with Gaypilot's ways, why do you even bother to reply to his post? You make a "brave" statement about your infamous flame suit. I would advise you to go back to your first post in this thread and consider whether maybe - just *maybe* - you weren't the one passing out the first insult.
The world is about more than machos flying the skies, discussing hot blondes all the time. Broadening your horizons probably would not be such a bad idea.
Finally, I find it rather meaningful that you didn't go into the subject of having flown with gay crewmembers, before. Is that because you didn't notice, or is there some other reason...?
Brissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1442 times:
Well I can categorically say that I will be discussing hot blondes. I am sure there is one living in Sydney, or has he changed his hair colour again?
The world is about more than machos flying the skies, discussing hot blondes all the time. Broadening your horizons probably would not be such a bad idea.
Yunisaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1445 times:
This is suppose to be an airline forum, why are you guys trying to promote being gay? and along with gay pride. If you guys want to be gay then thats your mistake, but dont glamorise it, its not natural.
Its like having a nut and a bolt, a nut and a nut wont do the job its intended for and neither will two bolts, likewise the same for humans.
I read briefly that some of you have a strong christian faith, sorry but no religion ever promotes homosexual activity/relationship.
DG_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1432 times:
You people act like I am the strange one here!! Are you totally blind????...I am the one who fits the very large majority here. NOT YOU. Get that through your heads. Can you not understand that????
I realize you were not questioning my 'physical' abilities as a pilot, but rather my ethics for, as you would all call it "being narrow minded".
Being black and being gay are like comparing apples and oranges. Where did you get that stupid idea at. Once again you are trying to make me look like the odd one out here.
I'm sure if YOU would pull your head out and realize what you are saying in regards to my posts, you would find YOU are not making a whole lot of sense.
Where did you get the idea that since I do not believe in such practices, AND that I have the nerve to stand up against what is wrong, that I need to "broaden my horizons". Thats like saying "so and so doesn't like to drink Pepsi.....he needs to 'broaden his horizons'."
Another point, there might seem to be there 'are a lot of people in here who feel the same way' as you do, but that is because you are the vast minority here and so forth, need to take the offensive to promote your friends' sickening, fudge-packing behavior. Key words there are "seem to be".
And how was I passing the first insult? I was merely telling the group what I believe in. Did you ever think about that, or was that a 'trigger response' as well?
I think you and your friends expect the world to accomodate to your minority lifestyle. Some people have that idea that since they are one of this minority, they should get whatever they want, or they resort to whining and crying, and using such tactics as making everyone else look wrong, and name-calling, with specific names and words like racist and descrimination.
Dream on. Remember, you are all the minority here, not people who believe as I do!!!
Oh, and no, I have never flown with a gay crewmember. Also, I refuse to believe that 1 in 10 people are gay. That is BS statistics mosy likely put out by your gay and lesbian organizations to make you all further like ""normal"" and to make it easier to 'recruit' new ones.
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1435 times:
Greetings to all my new-found gay aviation nuts from the Adam and Steve thread! And thanks to the hetero who originally started that whole argument with the statement, Adam and EVE, not Adam and Steve. You heteros do more to promote us than we ever could!
DG_pilot, you have a long, long, long way to go, and even more to learn. Just wait until you start finding out about friends and acquaintances of yours who are gay. Probably even relatives you don't know about. Hopefully, you'll change your tune and become more accepting. If not, you're going to have a rough time of it out there in the real world, kid. And you won't get any sympathy from me or anyone else when it knocks you on your a**. But then, most people learn lessons the hard way.
You probably will never know whether your fellow crew members are gay or straight, unless you ask them. I doubt sexual preference is much of a topic of cockpit conversation. It should not matter to anyone who is straight and who is gay, and everyone should be left alone to do whatever he/she feels is right without ANYONE judging them. However, it is usually not the gay community throwing the first stone. Have you ever seen gays and lesbians protesting the straight lifestyle, or picketing outside a church? I never have. Makes you think, doesn't it?
And as far as "fitting in"...no thanks. I've never been one to be brainwashed, try to look or act like everyone else. I take pride in the fact that I am my own unique person, and that has nothing to do with my sexuality. Everyone should be proud of their uniqueness, because that is truly one of the most special things most of the human population has lost sight of.
ANYWAY...poor Gaypilot...you never knew you were opening a can of worms, eh? But you see, in an open forum like this, making a statement of sexual preference, different political belief, etc. DOES open a can of worms, as you can see. Good luck in your search to find gay and lesbian pilots such as yourself. I have no doubt they are a large group - just as large as gays and lesbians are in the workforce, the military, etc.
Dk From France, joined Jan 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1415 times:
I think that we should just ignore people like DG_pilot. He is obviously still very young and immature and doesn't know the way of the world yet, and it has moved this post away from what Gaypilot wanted in the first place.
Gaypilot: I wish I knew of where to find the info. you asked for. Other than the National Gay Pilots Assoc. here in the U.S. I would have no clue. There must be something around Europe like that though. Have you done a search on the internet?
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1411 times:
I am going to try and present some unbiased logic here.
Regargless of point of view, what makes DG_pilot immature? He has an opinion, and granted, it maybe doesn't agree with some people on this thread's, but that doesn't give you the right to call him immature.
Who says that he (or anyone else for that matter) is immature just because you do not agree with his theories?
Sure maybe DG_pilot hasn't yet got to the stage where he will encounter any Gay people, but, in the United States at least, that gives no-one the right to force your views on him. How do we at Airliners.net know whether he is just turned 16 or just about to turn 21. He may be married with two kids for all we know!
Granted, he might be stating his opinion, and you are stating yours, but no one has the right to decry other people's opinion. And, even if DG_pilot is doing this, then by decrying him, you are doing exactly what you are complaining that he is does. Does anyone out there see my point?
And whatever you may say, he makes one point that Straight people outnumber Homosexuals by at least Nine to One in this world - The implications of this undeniable fact I will leave up to you to decide. Make of it what you will. But it is the case.
For all that, I do believe that there might be a small 'trace' of paranoia in DG_pilot's last post. But you have to give him (and everyone else in this world) the benefit of the doubt. Afterall, he is human too, and whatever you may agree and disagree with, is entitled to an opinion, whether it matches yours or not. By trying to force liberalness on him, you're doing the same, in exact reverse, that you are complaining about him for doing.
And, let's not forget that, in truth, the overall purpose of this website is for the discussion of Airliners. Admittedly this is the non-aviation forum, but the thing that brought us all together in the first place is a love for AIRPLANES. Nothing more.