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Quotes By Bush In Britain; Three Pillars Speech  
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1506 times:



Americans traveling to England always observe more similarities to our country than differences. I've been here only a short time, but I've noticed that the tradition of free speech -- exercised with enthusiasm -- (laughter) -- is alive and well here in London. We have that at home, too. They now have that right in Baghdad, as well. (Applause.)

- - - -

It's rightly said that Americans are a religious people. That's, in part, because the "Good News" was translated by Tyndale, preached by Wesley, lived out in the example of William Booth. At times, Americans are even said to have a puritan streak -- where might that have come from? (Laughter.) Well, we can start with the Puritans.

- - - -

At Wilson's high point of idealism, however, Europe was one short generation from Munich and Auschwitz and the Blitz. Looking back, we see the reasons why. The League of Nations, lacking both credibility and will, collapsed at the first challenge of the dictators. Free nations failed to recognize, much less confront, the aggressive evil in plain sight. And so dictators went about their business, feeding resentments and anti-Semitism, bringing death to innocent people in this city and across the world, and filling the last century with violence and genocide.

Through world war and cold war, we learned that idealism, if it is to do any good in this world, requires common purpose and national strength, moral courage and patience in difficult tasks. And now our generation has need of these qualities.

On September the 11th, 2001, terrorists left their mark of murder on my country, and took the lives of 67 British citizens. With the passing of months and years, it is the natural human desire to resume a quiet life and to put that day behind us, as if waking from a dark dream. The hope that danger has passed is comforting, is understanding, and it is false. The attacks that followed -- on Bali, Jakarta, Casablanca, Bombay, Mombassa, Najaf, Jerusalem, Riyadh, Baghdad, and Istanbul -- were not dreams. They're part of the global campaign by terrorist networks to intimidate and demoralize all who oppose them.

These terrorists target the innocent, and they kill by the thousands. And they would, if they gain the weapons they seek, kill by the millions and not be finished. The greatest threat of our age is nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons in the hands of terrorists, and the dictators who aid them. The evil is in plain sight. The danger only increases with denial. Great responsibilities fall once again to the great democracies. We will face these threats with open eyes, and we will defeat them. (Applause.)

- - - -

America and Great Britain have done, and will do, all in their power to prevent the United Nations from solemnly choosing its own irrelevance and inviting the fate of the League of Nations. It's not enough to meet the dangers of the world with resolutions; we must meet those dangers with resolve

- - - -

As recent history has shown, we cannot turn a blind eye to oppression just because the oppression is not in our own backyard. No longer should we think tyranny is benign because it is temporarily convenient. Tyranny is never benign to its victims, and our great democracies should oppose tyranny wherever it is found. (Applause.)

- - - -

Israel should freeze settlement construction, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people, and not prejudice final negotiations with the placements of walls and fences.

Arab states should end incitement in their own media, cut off public and private funding for terrorism, and establish normal relations with Israel.

Leaders in Europe should withdraw all favor and support from any Palestinian ruler who fails his people and betrays their cause. And Europe's leaders -- and all leaders -- should strongly oppose anti-Semitism, which poisons public debates over the future of the Middle East. (Applause.)

- - - -

Americans gained a certain image of Britain, as well. We saw an island threatened on every side, a leader who did not waver, and a country of the firmest character. And that has not changed. The British people are the sort of partners you want when serious work needs doing. The men and women of this Kingdom are kind and steadfast and generous and brave. And America is fortunate to call this country our closest friend in the world.

May God bless you all. (Applause.)



This is a fairly long post, I know, but it's composed of some of the best paragraph's from Bush's Three Pillars speech that he just gave. Like him or not, agree we his decisions or protest against him, he is does have conviction. He clearly states the friendship between the US and Britain, why it exists and why it shall continue to exist, what Israel and the Palestinians need to do to achieve peace, and why terrorism MUST be fought.

Full text of speech here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/20031119-1.html


30 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Leaders in Europe should withdraw all favor and support from any Palestinian ruler who fails his people and betrays their cause.

AND THIS IS WHY BUSH IS HYPOCRITICAL!

Arafat was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED. How dare Bush go around preaching to countries about how they should be democratic, when he's bitching to countries ordering them to cease relations with a democratically elected leader he doesn't like!

This, more than anything, shows that democracy is alright...as long as Washington agrees with the vote.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

I don't think terrorism against Israel is good for the Palestinian people, and neither does Bush.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

That's fab, MD-90. But Arafat is democratically elected. Bush can't talk about Europe cutting ties with him without looking completly hypocritical.

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

And amazingly enough, Saddam Hussein always won his elections, too.

Former CIA director Jim Woolsey dismisses claims that Arafat was democratically elected, quipping, "Arafat was essentially elected the same way Stalin was, but not nearly as democratically as Hitler, who at least had actual opponents."

The lone person to oppose Arafat on the ballot was a 72-year-old social worker, Samiha Khalil. She shocked the international press with what the New York Times labeled a "surprisingly high" number of votes. Her final, "surprisingly high" tally? 9.3 percent of the vote.

In a one-week period shortly before the election, Arafat had more than nine hours of speaking time on television, yet his opponent was never mentioned during those seven days. In response to criticism from foreign journalists, Khalil was finally granted 47 minutes on air at the eleventh hour.

The Sunday New York Times blared in its lead sentence, "Voting in their first general election today, Palestinians gave a broad endorsement to Yasir Arafat's leadership in building their homeland." To this day, the urban legend of Arafat being democratically elected has real consequences.

"The tragedy of this is that it allows people to create a moral equivalency between Sharon and Arafat, when in fact none exists," comments Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum.

Maybe Arafat would have won in a free and fair election, but he didn't. Propagating the myth that he was "elected" only serves to illegitimately legitimize his status as a democratic leader. Perhaps Arafat is the most popular Palestinian leader, but for all the wrong reasons. He achieved his pole position through thuggish tactics, not a democratic election.

Read all about it from an April 2002 article: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-mowbray042502.asp


[Edited 2003-11-20 12:34:58]

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

More Anet PR work for Bush. Is he paying you guys, or what?

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

It's also known as a speech, Alpha. I would think that speeches by the President of the United States are generally important and ought to be heard and considered if you're an American.

And you have to admit that his public speaking skills are much improved.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

He gives tons of speeches, MD90, but since this visit to London, all of your yes-men for Bush on here have been overdrive, trying to defend what to many is the indefensible, a war that shouldn't have been fought.

So he's learned basic english. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for 4 more years.

But keep the PR up for him!! Smoooooch!!


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

And you have to admit that his public speaking skills are much improved.

Don't underestimate the importance of this skill. I wonder sometimes how on earth someone with attrocious public speaking skill can gravitate to such a position....then I look and Jean Chretien and cringe....


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Bush would have had more credibility if he had used this speech:

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1424 times:

AND THIS IS WHY BUSH IS HYPOCRITICAL

Bush was elected according to the law of the land which has worked for over 200 years. I might also add that Bush was elected by a higher percentage of the population than Bill Clinton in 1992. Let's not talk about that anymore - it's boring.

Arafat was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED. How dare Bush go around preaching to countries about how they should be democratic, when he's bitching to countries ordering them to cease relations with a democratically elected leader he doesn't like!

Can you honestly deny that Arafat has either failed miserably to reign in the independant armed groups in Palestine that enjoy blowing people up, or has simply failed to try. Either way, after so many years in power, I think Arafat has used up any benefit of the doubt that he might have enjoyed previously. Even democratically elected heads of state can turn rotten (Hitler), or otherwise fall flat when faced with heavy tasks (Chaimberlain, Hoover)

Back to the speech, I thought is was quite good, and underlines the special relationship that exists.

One thing that should be noted is that the U.S. has a great deal of respect for Britain. Britain is effectively the direct ancestor of the U.S., even though there was some little disagreement about taxation  Smile/happy/getting dizzy, and like a father-son relationship that might have suffered on bad times, the attachment is always there to be revived. America effectively came out of its 19th century isolation to fight alongside England in WWI and WWII, and then found itself caught in a role that had to be filled and nobody else was capable of taking. The U.S. is, at its essence, isolationist in attitude.

What I'm saying is that when the French or anyone else complains about the U.S. Americans are capable of easily shrugging it off. But a bad word from Great Britain has far more weight for Americans than anyone else. I think the father-child relationship is still there, even though the kid has grown into a 300 lb bodybuilder next to his more modestly sized dad.

Alpha, WWII and most other wars never should have been fought. They were mostly the results of mistakes and miscalculations. If you think you know that much better, why don't you sign up to work at CIA?

In any case, what alternative was there to taking out Saddam? The maintainance of sanctions was a nonviable alternative, because of the massive death toll. The lifting of sanctions with Saddam still in place was a nonviable alternative, as we knew (and confirmed after the War) that he would step up his hostile efforts. Another 10 years of inspections would not have convinced anyone of anything, other than perhaps that Saddam was really good at hiding things (the effect that Saddam wanted to achieve, according to Tarek Aziz). So what other solutions would you have proposed?

Here's a challenge for you, Alpha. Even now, with the benefit of hindsight, if you could send a letter back through time to Bush one year ago, what would you suggest that he do about Iraq?

Charles


User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1415 times:

...and filling the last century with violence...

And now Dubya is filling this century with violence through an illegal and unecessary war with Iraq.



"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 1407 times:

Arafat was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED.

Correct, but for a period of time which long ago expired. He is now refusing new elections long past his elected term of office.....which makes him a DICTATOR.

More Anet PR work for Bush. Is he paying you guys, or what?

No. We are just free to admire and support GWB.

....then I look and Jean Chretien and cringe....

*chuckle*







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 1399 times:

Yes, I heard his speech. He read it very well and didn't mispronounce any words.

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 1395 times:

Hey Alpha? What's the matter, them liberal weenies not paying so well anymore????


Bwaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa......

That's o.k. we understand you have issues. How are those dance lessons you mentioned coming?


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Mbombos, you probably didn't catch it because it was so slight, but according to the speech transcript he did misspeak and say "retain" instead of "restrain" terrorism. Nobody's perfect.

Don't knock dance lessons, JeffM, my mother's been ballroom dancing for years now and she loves it. She goes out and (for her) "parties" more often than I do.

KYIPpilot, this century has hardly been filled with violence. Compared to what we could've done to Iraq, it is a model of a superbly run war with minimum casualties on all sides. The terrorists who continue to bomb and kill innocent people, they're the ones filling this century with violence, hate, and destruction.


User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

I knew I recognized Alpha1... He is actually the Iraqi Information Minister. I am glad to see the Democratic party gave you a job.

Wow Kudos to the Dems for giving an immigrant the same job they had before their corrupt, tyranical government was taken apart for the good of the planet.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

The Bush-ster has become more adept at reading the big words his speechwriters are throwing his way. In that, he deserves kudos. It shows that if you take a buffoon out of Texas and give him the best instructors possible, he can say "Puritan" without making it sound like "purina."

"As recent history has shown, we cannot turn a blind eye to oppression just because the oppression is not in our own backyard."

What a joke. Then he should go tell the maniacs in his own party that their opposition to the war in the Balkans was an act of sheer mean spirited wretchedness. Perhaps, he should also go and chide Rumsfeld for being such an ardent supporter of Saddam Hussein in the 80s. But then history was never a big forte of the Bushes or their most ardent and ignorant cheerleaders.

This entire PR stunt with the hapless bejeweled Queen in tow is even more nauseating than the big lie perpetrated by Bush in his fake flightsuit declaring that the war was over. IT wasnt then, it isnt now. That PR event cost the US Taxpayer over a million bucks and this event will add a few more millions to the taxpayer bill for making a few free photo-ops for the 2004 GOP Convention.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

the hapless bejeweled Queen

That "hapless" bejeweled Queen is the head of state of a country of which over 50M Americans can trace their ethnic background to. The ties betw the US and the UK are not just economic & political...they are also ethnic. As someone who has benefited from the anglo influence in the world, perhaps you should show the Queen more respect.

That PR event cost the US Taxpayer over a million bucks and this event will add a few more millions to the taxpayer bill for making a few free photo-ops for the 2004 GOP Convention.

I wonder how many $M the various US consulates and immigration offices in India cost the US Treasury?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

As someone who has benefited from the anglo influence in the world, perhaps you should show the Queen more respect.

Wait a minute...you're saying people who have benefitted from anglo influence should respect the Queen...so people in countries like Iraq who haven't benefited from Anglo influence (let's not forget just how imperialistic Britain was) have a right to disrespect the Queen?

Terrorist supporter!!!!!!


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

"As someone who has benefited from the anglo influence in the world, perhaps you should show the Queen more respect."

ROFL ! You are too much. What next? A passion for Camilla's crotch?

I'll raise a toast to the Queen when I see her parodied on a Monty Python skit or on SNL. You can kiss the Queen's arse if you like. In the United States, the only Queens we worship are the ones who parade down Broadway on National Coming Out Day.

"I wonder how many $M the various US consulates and immigration offices in India cost the US Treasury?"

DUH. And a very good investment too judging by the billions of dollars created in Silicon valley by those hapless Indians standing in line at US Embassies!! And a budgetary creation created by the US Constitution no less ! But you love airing your ignorance (and your love for the Queens knickers) and your lack of understanding of budgetary divisions in the Government? The US Taxpayer has no business paying for the PR stunts of a sitting US President.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

"As someone who has benefited from the anglo influence in the world, perhaps you should show the Queen more respect."

LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!

THis is JUST TOO FUNNY !

THis guy is clearly bonkers. Or else he is a bigger Queen than Charles Busch ! Either way, I love it.

OFF to the TOWER with Michael Palin when he does his QE2 imitation !
Draw and quarter Chris Kattan when he does his rather excellent scandalized Queen imitations ! And the next time some Irish cutie shows his green bum to the Queen, lets just go bomb Dublin !


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

""As someone who has benefited from the anglo influence in the world, perhaps you should show the Queen more respect."

Heee Heee Heee !

I'm still titillated at this amazing statement of crossborder twit-ism !

Well, after I watch Fergie on Oprah (and show her my undying respect), I think I'll take a flight to the Forbidden City next to show my respect to the forebearers of the Chinese. Heaven forbid, if anyone had to survive on British food in this country !



User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

"As someone who has benefited from the anglo influence in the world, perhaps you should show the Queen more respect."

Oh, and as someone who has a taste for offensive preaching on how we must all prostate ourselves before your ludicrous vision of the West, you would do yourself a favor by learning the blessed English language. Calling someone hapless has precious little to do with showing disrespect. The poor Queen who never supported the war in Iraq is deserving of pity when forced to stand with our hopeless President.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

I think it's undignified, in very poor taste, and if you really want to get snotty, a sign of poor breeding to not show respect to heads of state (Hussein, Arafat, and his ilk, I wouldn't be so respectful to, however).

Furthermore, Clinton set the all-time record in American history for the number of political junkets he and his wife took. They were flagrant wasters of the public treasury in that regard. Bush is downright frugal compared to them.


25 Jaysit : "Furthermore, Clinton set the all-time record in American history for the number of political junkets he and his wife took." What a load of crap. Ever
26 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I think it's undignified, in very poor taste, and if you really want to get snotty, a sign of poor breeding to not show respect to heads of state You
27 Yyz717 : Calling someone hapless has precious little to do with showing disrespect That "hapless bejeweled Queen" comment you made was meant as an insult to th
28 Post contains images Alpha 1 : That "hapless bejeweled Queen" comment you made was meant as an insult to the Queen. Coming from someone who insults anything not conservative is a re
29 Jaysit : "Whether you choose to admit it or not Jaysit, you have personally benefitted greatly from the British influence in your world....so don't knock it."
30 MD-90 : Well, when Clinton goes and makes a fool of himself....that sort of makes him fair game.
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