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Anyone Watch The ABC News Special On JFK?  
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

ABC News ran a two-hour special Thursday night, called "The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Consipracy."

It was, basically, a two-hour attempt to convince Americans that JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, and that Oswald acted totally alone. They used computer graphics that say "prove" Oswald shot JFK, and they basically belittled anyone who didn't agree with that conclusion.

A few "highlight" from the show:

-They used computer graphics, that say positively conclude that JFK and Connolly were shot by the same bullet that originally injured JFK.

-The fatal heatshot, they say was from the rear. They used angle analysis to prove this. As far as JFK being lifted up and backward on the fatal shot, all they say is that "sometimes a victim is pushed forward when shot, sometimes, backward." That's not very convincing.

-Even though the Senate Select Committee on Assassinations that met in the 70's said it believed there was enough evidence to believe the existence of conspiracy, the ABC special basically hangs its hat on the original Warren Commission report, which, by ABC's own admission, had many flaws.

It was an interesting show. It brought up some interesting points, no doubt, but they did not convince me that Oswald acted entirely alone, or that he was the only shooter. I watch the fatal headshot in the Zaprude film, and I'm still convinced, seeing JFK almost thrown out the back of the car, that the fatal shot came from the front.

Sadly, the American media has always attacked anyone or anything that doesn't believe that Oswald acted alone, and that continued last night. This report made me think, but did not change my mind that Oswald did not act alone, and that someone else fired the fatal shot.


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User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

I watched it as well. A few things struck me as odd or interesting.

1) ODD: Lee H. Oswald was not exactly an unknown prior to Novemeber '63. I was amazed how many photos and the New Orleans TV station video existed of him.

2) ODD: The fateful decision by authorities in Dallas to allow the media to film Oswald being transfered to another facility. What a blunder. Something that would almost be inconcievable today. So many secrets went to the grave at 11:23 a.m. CST Novemeber 24, 1963.

3) INTERESTING: From another documentary earlier in the week about the media's coverage of this sad day was the how many young, cub reporters on hand are todays pre-eminent news anchors and reporters. Bob Scheifer, Peter Jennings, Robin McNeil, Jim Lehrer, Dan Rather and others. Walter Cronkite doesn't age, either.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

Dan Rather first made his name covering the Kennedy Assassination. He was the New Orleans Bureau chief for CBS in 1963, and was in Dallas covering what was a big visit by Kennedy, as there was a rift within the Democratic party in Texas. Rather was really the only CBS asset in place, and after that, his career took off.

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

I watched an interesting interview with Lee Harvey Oswald's brother (can't remember the exact TV show) who remains entirely convinced that LHO acted alone and was capable of pulling it off by himeself. Yesterday, Jack Valente was on the Don Imus show (he was towards the real of the Dallas motorcade) and mirrors the opinion, but Texas Gov. John Connelly's wife was on Imus this morning and swears that there were three shots. Her currently-being-released book should make a good read. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Taped both ABC's special, and a PBS special "JFK: Breaking the News" that aired right before it. Haven't watched either one all the way through yet (will do this weekend, was watching Survivor and CSI on another TV), but did catch enough of the ABC special during breaks to catch their drift.

I, too, have the belief that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll, and that the head shot came from that general area. I have a book that was published in the mid 70's that shows pictures outlining a shooting-type figure on the knoll, also a figure wearing LHO's clothing in the first floor doorway of the Depository. The Zapruder film is also reviewed. The other compelling thing to me are the actions of the infamous "Umbrella Man".

For those who haven't been to Dealey Plaza (and through the Sixth Floor Museum), it is quite a compelling place. If you take the time to walk the sidewalks, up the grassy knoll, into the museum, and view all the possible angles, things (at least to me) become quite clear.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineYbacpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

(I will admit beforehand that I didn't see the ending, so please feel free to correct me if this was covered later in the program.)

I watched most of it, and the biggest problem I had with it is it was clearly 100% one-sided. Granted it was trying to prove the lone gunman theory, but due diligence in a case like this requires plausable, or at least popular, alternative theories to be disproven. I didn't see any attempt to disproved the grassy knoll shooter, the sewer shooter, etc. With the fancy computer graphics simulations, I would have expected a showing of how these theories could not be true just as they showed why they felt the shots came soley from the book depository. Barring that, its nothing but one-sided propaganda.

Just my $.02



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

What I found rather hard to believe was that Jack Ruby killed Oswald because of his purported adoration for Kennedy. Ruby appears to be the strangest cookie in the whole saga, and the ABC Special didn't really put to rest his involvement.

Btw, for fans of presidential history, the JFK museum in Boston is a wonderful place to take in those Kennedy years. I've been there numerous times and each time you learn something new. Admittedly, some of the displays tend to be mundane but the archives boast some pretty incredible letters and reports.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

What I found rather hard to believe was that Jack Ruby killed Oswald because of his purported adoration for Kennedy. Ruby appears to be the strangest cookie in the whole saga, and the ABC Special didn't really put to rest his involvement.

Ruby was already diagnosed with terminal cancer when he shot Oswald. So if you believe in conspiracies, he could have agreed to a handsome payoff to benefit his family by the mob to kill Oswald even though he would be arrested for it. He had nothing to lose and much to gain, monetarily anyway.




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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

I've said this before when this tiresome subject came up a few weeks ago - the only people who believe there was a conspiracy in the JFK shooting are those who don't want to do the donkey-work of going through the evidence themselves and would rather jump on the bandwagon of theories based on half-truths and misunderstandings.

The above statement about Kennedy's head being thrown back in the car is a classic example of how a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, and lead you to an incorrect conclusion.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Backfire, stop being so condescending to those of us who simply DO NOT believe Oswald acted alone! For God's sake, you don't know either.

I was talking with my wife today about the ABC show, and I thought it through a little bit. I think the one thing that I came away convinced about is that Oswald DID fire at least one or two shots. The evidence that Connolly was not sitting at the same height at Kennedy, and that he was seating something like 6 to ten inches further inside the care than JFK, along with the computerized trajectory of the shot that originally wounded both men comes exactly from the spot Oswald was in, is undeniable.

What I am NOT convinced of is that the shot that fatally wounded Kennedy came from Oswald. Remember, Kennedy was falling forward after the first show, and in towards Jackie-you can see that in the Zapruder film clearly. She's even reaching out to assist him. The head shot drives him backward and to the left-I'm sorry but a man already leaning forward and to the right is NOT going to be driven back and to the left-a shot from behind with a high-powered rifle is going to drive a man already falling forward to the left further forward, because that's where his 'mo is taking him. I still feel the third shot came from in front and to the right of Kennedy-from behind and to the right of Abraham Zapruder.

I also come back to Oswald's murder. It was a hit, and I always have believed that. The ABC show interviewed someone that said if Oswald was hit to silence him, why wasn't Ruby? Perhaps Ruby was told only that he was to kill Lee Harvey Oswald, and knew nothing of the rest of the conspiracy, so that he WOULDN'T know anything? It's possible.

In any case, Backfire, that's what I believe-after watching lots of different shows, movies, and specials on the even. I believe Oswald fired the wounding shots; I do not believe he fired the shot that killed our 35th President.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Backfire, I have shot enough animals in my life to know what direction a head will travel when hit by a 6.5 mm projectile traveling at a couple thousand feet per second. The head shot came from the front.

There was a shipment of Carcano's that came into the US a couple of years ago that I was thinking about ordering but never did. I kind of wish I had now so I would be able to comment more on how the bolt functions, but I understand that it was very clunky.

In fact in WWII the Russians where refurbishing captured Mausers from the Germans and putting them into long term storage, I have one. The Carcanos that where captured from the Italian troops by the Russians where melted down. I think that says something about the functionality and quality of the weapon.

In any case it helps validate that comment that was made in the movie "JFK" that the Carcano was, "The Worlds Worst Shoulder Weapon"


Again it gets back to the point, Could Oswald do the shooting job he allegedly did from the book depository.

I didn't see the ABC special but they had a two night series about the Kennedy family on PBS. Didn't go into the assassination much but was interesting nether-less.





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User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

There was a witness who worked near the railways who said that just before the shooting he saw a couple of men standing behind the stockade fence with their car parked there. After the shooting he said he saw smoke(gunsmoke?) coming from the area of the stockade fence. And i concur with L-188, a shot from behind is not going to throw the president's head back, rather it should go forward.

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

We're not talking about shooting animals here. We're talking about ballistics affecting a target in a moving car during an already-dynamic situation - that's not something you can address with schoolboy physics. As to the repetitive nonsense which is spoken about the rifle and Oswald's abilities, the weapon was good enough to do the job, and Oswald was a better shot than the conspiracy nerds give him credit for.

I wonder how many have seen 'JFK' and not bothered to read Jim Garrison's own book on which it was based - and then not even bothered to read the medical testimony which answers a stackload of questions about the injuries.

The spread of conspiracy theories is the greatest injustice that could have followed Kennedy's assassination. Instead of blaming the person responsible, gullible people would rather believe in fantasy and myth. But then, that's more exciting than the mundane truth.

I suppose Oswald didn't murder a policeman on the same day, either?

[Edited 2003-11-22 13:27:52]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Some how I doubt Kennedy was effected more by the movement of the car which was at tops what? 15 FPS vs. an 1800 fps bullet.

Besides Why did Oswald pass up an excellent shot comming down that other street to take a marginal shot through a tree on Dealy?

Makes no sense.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Instead of blaming the person responsible, gullible people would rather believe in fantasy and myth.

Gullible people......That would be the Warren Commission?



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

My question is....WHERE ARE THE MISSING BULLETS?

They found 3 shell casings on the 6th floor building, so Oswald definately fired 3 times. If the fatal shot came from the grasy knoll, then that means Oswald had 2 shots that missed. So where did these bullets go? I have a hard time believing they were never found.

And what about all the witnesses? I'm sure they were interviewed by investigators and media alike. Was there a consensus from witnesses on how many shots they heard?



Here's something I heard this week that stunned me. Apparently in 1963, killing the President of the United States was NOT a federal crime. Originally, while the FBI was assisting, the lead investigators were the Dallas police dept. If Oswald had been tried, I assume it would have only been state mureder charges.--AMAZING!



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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Sorry L-188 but your reasoning comes straight from Oliver Stone.

You talk about speeds of the car/bullet and ignore the crucial aspect - momentum - which is governed as much by mass as velocity. Besides, the reaction of the human body to a bullet is not predictable - a bullet creates pressure waves, fragmentation, supersonic shocks.

The entry wound to Kennedy's head was from the rear - that's a fact: check the medical evidence yourself. It clipped the top-right of his skull, blasting the upper-right section outwards. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that the dynamic reaction would have thrown his head leftwards (as clearly backed up by the film footage).

Incidentally - to further demonstrate that he was hit from the rear - the first bullet that entered Kennedy went into his back and exited his throat. The throat exit wound was not spotted because Kennedy underwent a tracheotomy to help him breathe and the connection between the two events not made.

This shot, of course, was made by the "magic bullet" - which was nothing of the sort. The Carcano rifle was a military weapon and the bullet carried a full-metal jacket (in accordance with Geneva Convention regulations which insist that bullets be made to pass through flesh and not break up). The bullet did not hit bone but passed through Kennedy and hit Governor Connally in front.

Popular myth (and Oliver Stone, of course) says that the bullet was "pristine" - not true. It was damaged because it hit Connally's ribs.

Oh, and why didn't Oswald pick the easiest shot? Because he wasn't a trained assassin. The fact that he apparently picked a more-difficult position lends weight to the assassination being the work of an amateur and not some high-level organisation. Evidence for the prosecution, not the defence.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Sorry L-188 but your reasoning comes straight from Oliver Stone.

Actually, it's coming from someone, in this instance, who is thinking for himself, and not just believing what the Warren Commission put out. There's just too many unanswered questions to believe Lee Harvey acted alone.

Besides, the reaction of the human body to a bullet is not predictable - a bullet creates pressure waves, fragmentation, supersonic shocks.

Bull. I don't buy that at all. A body already leaning forward and to the left is NOT going to go BACK and to the left from a gunshot wound from behind. That's simple physics. That bullet is traveling at such a speed that the only direction for that body to fall is further forward and to the left. And, again, if you look at Zapruder, he's lifted up and driven back and to the left. Maybe you can't see that for yourself, and come to a logical conclusion, but most Americans seemingly can. There is no way in hell that headshot came from behind. None.

The entry wound to Kennedy's head was from the rear - that's a fact:

No, it's not. The attending physicians in Dallas, to this day, say the wound was in the front ,and the exit wound in the back. I've seen a picture of JFK's face on a table in Dallas-the entire front of his head, all the way to the forehead is intact. The huge wound is in the back of the head, not the front, which signifys the bullet exited from the rear. There was a big area of his head mssing in the rear, not in the front. That indicates a shot coming from the front, not the rear.

Again, you cling to this discredited belief for some reason? Why? Why do you get so damned upset that people don't buy what Warren said? We don't know all the fact, but the fact we do know point to more than one shooter. Oswald wounded Kennedy and Connolly. I will never believe that he fired the fatal shot. The evidence points against that.


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Sorry Alpha1 but again, you're pushing the same incorrect simplifications which created the conspiracy theories in the first place. My background is in physics, I used to study ballistics and I was a full-bore weapons instructutor, so I think I can at least claim a small bit of knowledge about bullets. No, I'm not a medical examiner. But the head-shot medical evidence is pretty clear to anyone who goes and reads the files - and I don't mean the half-baked autopsy notes. In short, I don't have to repeat myself. Nor am I going to suggest you take my word, because I don't have to - go read the evidence for yourself. It's there for anyone who genuinely wants to know the truth.

[Edited 2003-11-22 23:30:28]

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

I've looked over evidence for years, Backfire. Again, I believe Oswald fired the wounding shot, but watching JFK fly almost out of the back of that limo, there's no way in hell I'll ever believe Oswald fired the fatal shot. Common sense dictates against that.

User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

I suppose Oswald didn't murder a policeman on the same day, either?

There has never been 100% evidence that Oswald murdered officer Tippitt. There were several witnesses who claim that the man who shot officer Tippitt was not Oswald. Plus Officer Tippitt was not in his assigned area at the time of his death- he was a few blocks away from where he was supposed to be. I don't believe Oswald shot the policeman.



User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

From what I've read over the years, many witnesses say the man that shot and killed Officer Tippet was taller and a larger man than Oswald. And there has always been speculation that Oswald could get from Dealy Plaza to where Officer Tippet was murdered.

But don't tell Backfire that-we're all just being delusional.  Smile


User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2734 times:

I am only 20, so I wasn't around in 1963 and everything I've heard and truly understand about the assassination is from the last three years. I am pretty opinionated on just about everything, but this is one issue I am deadlocked on. I just have no clue as to what I believe. There are aspects of both arguements (single gunman & conspiracy) that I believe and I have issue with, all at the same time. For example, the single bullet/gunman theory gets me because on all the audio pieces I've heard on the assassination I distinctly hear three shots and am almost positive I hear a fourth on some tapes. The comnspiracy theory, however, just baffles me because of the magnitude it would have to be. I dunno, I go back and forth.

Here's the real question, does anyone here believe that in the next, say thirty years, we have an answer? A conclusive answer?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2731 times:

Well Backfire, I respect your credentials but the lab sometimes has a funnly lack of relation to the real world.

I still have a very hard time believing that Kennedy would have moved the way he did from the angle that Lee apparently shot him from.

Like I said I in a way wish I had jump on the bandwagon and ordered one of those Carcanos just for the experience of shooting one for comparison.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2734 times:

Actually, it's coming from someone, in this instance, who is thinking for himself

In this Instance?

I appreciate the help Alpha but believe it or not there are lots of people that don't feel it is appropriate to lynch that republican party that think for ourselves.



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25 Alpha 1 : I don't think we'll ever know for sure. One arguement those who believe in one shooter have is that a conspiracy would have leaked after all this time
26 Cicadajet : There was another show on TV earlier this week.. on The History Channel or A&E, I forget which. It was called "The Men Who Killed Kennedy". It was act
27 Post contains links L-188 : For those of you who have a lot of time on you hands, the Warren Commision report is available online. http://www.archives.gov/research_room/jfk/warre
28 Backfire : ...many witnesses say... There were several witnesses... You both know that eye-witnesses (especially those who see a fast-moving and unexpected event
29 Post contains links Backfire : Those of you who'd like more proof of the unpredictability of bullets (all on film) and a lot of other debunking information on the main myths surroun
30 727LOVER : Last night I saw Nellie Connely on Larry King. Now, she says there were 3 shots, all from behind and that the gov. and the prez were hit by seperate b
31 Alpha 1 : Backfire, you haven't convinced me of anything. I'm sure if you get a dozen ballistics experts, they'll disagree, just like all those, as you say, who
32 Post contains images Sleekjet : Cicadajet: I saw the History Channel programs and found them rather convincing. The Oswald lover story would seem preposterous were it not for all the
33 Backfire : Unlike you, I at least keep an open mind on the possibility I was prepared to keep an open mind for as long as the conspiracy theories made sense. But
34 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I was prepared to keep an open mind for as long as the conspiracy theories made sense. So, you conveniently dump all conspiracy theories into one big,
35 Backfire : BBC television has just aired the Kennedy documentary with which this thread opened. Sorry Alpha1 - I think we'll be agreeing to disagree forever - bu
36 Post contains images Cicadajet : Several times in recent years, I've heard that the majority of American people now seem to believe the JFK assassination was the result of a conspirac
37 RayChuang : It is of my own personal opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the ONLY person that took a shot at JFK. Let's consider this: they actually fired real bul
38 Backfire : Someone asked above - Why did Oswald pass up an excellent shot comming down that other street to take a marginal shot through a tree on Dealy? Ignorin
39 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Brought to you by Backfire, who is much smarter than the rest of us. Autographs can be had for $5 in the lobby after his lecture.
40 Backfire : Brought to you by Backfire, who is much smarter than the rest of us. I wish that were true. It would give people a decent excuse for acting like sheep
41 GDB : That BBC doc was a calm, rational, extensive work. Oswald did it, he was a lonely, mixed-up wannabe with delusions of grandeur, he wanted to make his
42 Rindt : I just find it so uncanny that Abe Zapruder captured the entire sequence without flinching. After the first shot is fired, he continues to shoot and p
43 GDB : Did Zapruder even hear the shots at first? All the cheering crowds etc. The Texas Govenor seemed to hear the shot that missed, the first one, as he ti
44 Tom in NO : Hmmm, let's see.....three bullets: 1) a miss, hits the curb, fragment hits John Tague 2) the "magic", or "pristine" bullet: through JFK's neck, exits,
45 GDB : No there was not, no proof whatsoever of more than 3 shots. Don't take anything from the 'JFK' film, that was so full of lies (Garrison the 'Hero' use
46 L-188 : Well I am sure if we can examine Kennedy's brain we will answer the question about where that head shot came from.... Oh wait....the government lost i
47 GDB : Did they? I mean the implication that it was lost deliberately. I bet organs go missing all the time. The autopsy was extensively covered, including p
48 L-188 : And yet, the Senate Select Committe on Assainations ruled there was a pobably conspiracy in the JFK case. Sounds like a pretty official source with qu
49 Backfire : And yet, the Senate Select Committe on Assainations ruled there was a pobably conspiracy in the JFK case. This is exactly how conspiracy theories star
50 GDB : Certainly has, 25 years later the same scientists refuse to comment, bet they'd have plenty to say if their findings had not been found to be in error
51 Alpha 1 : GDB, I don't think anyone is saying it isn't possble, for Christ sake. It is, no doubt. But for a lot of people, the evidence, to them, leads them to
52 777236ER : Why do you and Backfire have so much trouble coming to grips with the fact that many of us JUST DON'T BELEIVE Oswald did it alone? Because there are p
53 Backfire : Why do you and Backfire have so much trouble coming to grips with the fact that many of us JUST DON'T BELEIVE Oswald did it alone? I have trouble comi
54 JeffM : Alpha, you made this statement: "A body already leaning forward and to the left is NOT going to go BACK and to the left from a gunshot wound from behi
55 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I have trouble coming to grips with it, dear fellow, because there comes a point at which belief in conspiracies becomes worrying. We're talking about
56 JeffM : The violent movement I describe, both from vertigo and the spin training was whole body, not just a head movement. Similar if not more violent then Ke
57 GDB : For 40 years now, no firm evidence has come to light that seriously disputes that Oswald did act alone. He fancied himself as a political killer, he m
58 Backfire : The history of our race, and each individual's experience, are sown thick with evidence that a truth is not hard to kill and that a lie told well is i
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