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User currently offlineEricmetallica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

10 Injured in California School Shooting

By BEN FOX
.c The Associated Press

SANTEE, Calif. (March 5) - A gunman opened fire on fellow students at a high school Monday, wounding 10 people, one critically, officials said. One witness said the youth smiled as he fired a long-barreled handgun.

''I heard gunfire and I heard people screaming,'' student Alicia Zimmer told KGTV. She said she froze with fright until her boyfriend pushed her out of the way. ''I dropped my stuff; it's still there right in the middle of the hall. It was really scary.''

All of the 10 wounded had been taken from the scene, sheriff's Lt. Glenn Revell said. One of those wounded was a campus supervisor.

A suspect, a male student, was taken into custody, officials said.

Much of the shooting happened in a boys' restroom, but the shooter also stepped out into a quad area and fired more rounds, witnesses said.

''When he came back out of the bathroom he was smiling,'' student John Schardt, 17, told KGTV. ''He was looking around and was smiling with his weapon and he fired two more shots and went back in.''

''When we heard the shots I thought it was fake. My teacher said it was real,'' Schardt said.

Students were escorted to a nearby shopping center. Television images showed a parking lot full of students and parents milling anxiously while paramedics took away the injured.

Zimmer said she didn't see the shooter but she did see one girl with blood on her arm and a boy lying face down on the floor.

The shots ''sounded more like a cap gun than anything,'' she said.

The town of 59,000 is about 10 miles northeast of San Diego. Santana High, which opened in 1965, has more that 1,900 students in grades nine through 12.

AP-NY-03-05-01 1402EST

Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.


Eric

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User currently offlineEricmetallica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

What the Hell is wrong with our nation? When our teenagers result to shooting at there own classmates multipul times you know theres something wrong.

Eric


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4810 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Very sad, but not the worst tragedy at this time. There was a bridge collpased in Portugal that killed more than 60 people. I wish the news coverage would be more balanced.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

I agree Eric. I hate to blame anyone or anything, but parenting nowadays has a huge part in all of this.

User currently offlineEricmetallica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

It is now reported that 2 students are dead. Very Sad

Eric


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

Don't forget about the 13 hurt!

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

How long until Mx5_boy is up in here spewing his anti-American rhetoric, and crying about what a violent society we live in? I'll guess a few more hours.....I can hardly wait...  Yeah sure

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Well, here we go again - We'll get another wave of violence blamed on music, lack of religion, video games, movies and marylin manson...


Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Hey Mx5_boy, come right on in...

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

I just got an email from my friend, who's nephew went to that school. Here is an exerpt from it.

"I just heard through my sister that my nephew is physically all right. He was just passing the rest room when the 9th grader with the gun came out shooting. A nearby teacher yelled for everyone to get down, that the kid was firing real bullets. Unfortunately the kid next to Justin apparently didn't take the warning seriously or didn't comprehend what was being yelled by the teacher because he was shot dead where he stood. Justin told my brother that the gun sounded like small fire crackers going off even though he was apparently near the gunman."

What a crazy situation! Words cannot describe this.


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

That is pretty scary. I do not want to start a anti gun thread here, however when kids are being shot at school there is a problem

CPDC10-30 - The bridhe collapsing was an accident, and I think that when a kids are being shot at school in cold blood it is far worse then a accident. You are meant to be safe at school not scared some one will shoot you!
Iain


User currently offlineEricmetallica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

WOW thats scary. Yes they will try to blam it on TV,Video Games etc.. But i think it is the paretns responsability. Also i talked to Trvlr during school and told him,and he goes to school 15 miles away from there. Scary to see one of our own so close.

Eric


User currently offlineEricmetallica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Heres an Update:2 Dead, 13 Hurt in California School Shooting

By BEN FOX
.c The Associated Press

SANTEE, Calif. (March 5) - A 15-year-old freshman opened fire at his high school on Monday, killing two youths and wounding 13 other people, authorities said. One witness said the youth smiled as he fired.

One person was dead at the scene and 14 others were injured, Santee Fire Department spokesman Jeff Fehlberg said. Later, a second victim died at Grossmont Hospital. It was the largest number of dead and wounded in a school shooting since the Columbine tragedy nearly two years ago.

Both of the dead were juveniles, and at least two of those shot were campus supervisors at Santana High School, Sheriff William Kolender said.

Chris Reynolds, the father of one of the suspect's friends, told KGTV he heard over the weekend that the teen-ager had a gun.

''I do regret that I didn't do something because I should've stepped up even if it wasn't true and stuff to take that precaution,'' Reynolds said. ''If someone did die over there and stuff, that's going to be haunting me for a long time, that's going to be with me for a long time. It just hurts because I could've maybe done something about it.''

Student John Schardt said he was in a nearby classroom when the shooting started at about 9:20 a.m. in a nearby boys room. ''I looked at the kid, and he was smiling and shooting his weapon,'' Schardt, 17, told KGTV.

''It was total chaos. People were trying to take cover,'' Schardt said.

One deputy was teaching a class at the time of the shooting and was at the site within moments, Kolender said.

Students were escorted to a nearby shopping center. Television images showed a parking lot full of students and parents milling anxiously while paramedics took away the injured. Classes were canceled for Tuesday and counselors would be available, officials said.

Another student, Alicia Zimmer, told the station she froze with fright until her boyfriend pushed her out of the way. ''I dropped my stuff; it's still there right in the middle of the hall. It was really scary,'' she said.

Zimmer said she didn't see the shooter but she did see one girl with blood on her arm and a boy lying face down on the floor.

Andrew Kaforey, a 17-year-old Santana senior, said he ran into the bathroom with a security guard after hearing what sounded like a firecracker or a gunshot.

''He pointed the gun right at me but he didn't shoot,'' Kaforey said. As he and the guard ran out, the suspect shot the guard in the back, Kaforey said.

Kaforey's 14-year-old brother, Jacob, said a boy they believe was the shooter had talked earlier about how he owned a gun, although other students hadn't seen the weapon. The boy also had talked about stealing a car and going to Mexico, Jacob said.

Reynolds said the boy had been talking last week about shooting people, but assured listeners he wasn't serious.

''Everybody can't believe that he actually did it,'' Reynolds told KGTV. ''He said he was just joking.''

He described the shooter as the type of boy who was picked on at school, and said one of the boy's friends even checked the shooter's knapsack Monday morning to make sure it did not contain a weapon.

In Washington, President Bush called the shooting a ''disgraceful act of cowardice'' and said the best prevention is to teach children right from wrong.

Santee, a town of 59,000 residents, is about 10 miles northeast of San Diego. Santana High, which opened in 1965, has more that 1,900 students in grades nine through 12.

On April 20, 1999, two students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 23 before killing themselves. It was the worst of a string of mass shootings at schools that shocked the nation.

AP-NY-03-05-01 1538EST

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User currently offlineDerek H From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

This is very sad, and i am sure very scary for the students who lived though it. Alls I can say, its not very reassuring to hear this when I am supose to be moving to California in three months. Wow...he was only 15 years old. I couldn't even think about someone my age at my school shooting the place up. Yes, we have joked about somthing of that nature before, but it is a very serious matter.



User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4364 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

I just heard it on the news recnetly and the shooting a an disgrace ignorant cowardice. THAT IS TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE.

We have had several school shooting around the DC area few years ago after the Columbine incident, I can't beleive what these idiotic kids and teenagers are now doing. Why can't they get a life?

Yes, I did mention kid. About a year ago in the DC metro area, a 5-year old kid open fired in his elementary school.

Kevin/DCA



SIX T'S!......TURN. TIME. TWIST. THROTTLE. TALK. TRACK.
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1389 times:

Another school shooting. We're having almost one a year now. Ever since all of these school shootings started, whenever I hear a loud bang or something at school, I always freeze in fear. This is just another sign that we need to pass stricter gun control laws.

This could not happen in any other country for two reasons:
1. No Civillian Access to weapons. Not even the police in most European countries posses guns.

2. American parents are among the most neglegent.


User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

>This is just another sign that we need to pass stricter gun control laws.

OH GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
Do NOT try to tell me if there were simply laws on the book that this kid (who broke the law by murdering and assualting people) would have followed the gun control law. He shows HUGE disregard for the lives he took, so why shouldn't he have disregard for the laws that may prohibit his possesion of a firearm?

I say let him hang (or fry, or face a firing squad- whatever). We need stricter PENALTIES, not stricter laws.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

Eh hem, a HANDGUN? I rest my case....


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

What does that have to do with anything, Adam? A gun is a gun, a dead person is a dead person.

We need to set the example and fry this kid in the chair. But that still won't stop the suicidal ones, I guess. There will always be crazies, no matter if they have guns, bombs, knives, whatever.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

I'm here!!!! Love to you all.

What a sad day when this happens, has there been any reason why these shootings have happened? Are these kids that do this mixed up or something? How do they get the guns in the first place?

Sorry to hear about it, my condolences go out to all those involved.

mb


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

You read my mind!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

>Are these kids that do this mixed up or something?

Most definately. I know that I wouldn't go into my closet, grab my arsenal (hehe), and take it to school to try to blow as many people as I could away. First, I am mentally stable. Second, I know how to use guns safely and not pointing one at a person (except in certain situations) is the NUMBER ONE RULE.

>How do they get the guns in the first place?

Don't know that one. I don't know much about the State of California's gun control laws, so I can't really comment on what needs to be done.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Matt D, no one under 21 should be allowed to read your mind....

N766AS, Cba, there are many, many reasons for why this happened. Bad parenting is one, so are loose gun controls laws, not to mention that kids today are just plain mean. One thing that never could have stopped this is stricter punishments. We need to work upstream, before the killing starts, not after. If someone is determined enough, they can do anything. They aren't thinking about the consequences, and they never will.

Prison: NOT A DETERRENT!



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

So then what you are suggesting is that we disarm all the law abiding citizens, and then be at the mercy of the criminals and the competency and swiftness of the 911 dispatcher and the local police?

Sorry, I am not willing to take that leap of faith when it comes to protecting myself and my loved ones.



User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Nor am I.

25 We're Nuts : You are assuming that we won't disarm criminals. I'm not sure who your screwed up mind works, but we disarm EVERYONE. Besides, how many criminals have
26 Matt D : We can't even disarm them NOW!!! How would repealing the 2nd Ammendnent be a pancea to that? Are all of the hoodlums all going to wake up and say, "ge
27 Ericmetallica : It will take time and you will never get rid of all the guns. But in the long run it will be well worth it. Eric
28 We're Nuts : Well if we shut down shooting clubs and ammo shops, where are they gonna get their bullets!? Besides, we aren't trying to disarm them now, we're takin
29 Ericmetallica : Good way of putting it We're Nuts
30 Matt D : Now there's a stroke of genius... We'll outlaw bullets, but not guns... Your logic (or actually a lack thereof) never ceases to amaze me.
31 We're Nuts : Is that the best you could do? My post really must have struck a nerve....
32 Tupolev154B2 : If they outlaw guns and bullets people will find illegal ways to get them - easy as that. There is no way to control guns in society. The 2nd amendmen
33 Cicadajet : any of you ever that song by the Boomtown Rats, "I don't like Mondays" ?? It was pretty good. Its unfortunate this stuff happens, but once Columbine h
34 Cba : If a 15 year old kid can get a gun and shoot up his school, this tells you that it is too easy to get a gun. Yes, other weapons exist that could have
35 DeltaRNOmd-80 : Cba, a chair won't do much against a bomb, and this happened in the hallway, not many chairs around to protect oneself from a knife. You guys don't re
36 DG_pilot : Here are several reposts of mine from earlier. They pertain to this set of issues very well. Read carefully please. ----------------------------------
37 We're Nuts : DeltaRNOmd-80, those innocent, law-biding citizens you speak of can become murderers with the pull of a trigger, why take that chance? And did any of
38 Post contains images Leftseat86 : I would rather have crazy people with baseball bats then crazy people with guns. You can't outrun bullets, nor can you use a 3-ring binder to shield y
39 Post contains images Cicadajet : for those of you who are students out there, you still have a greater chance of winning the lottery than getting shot in school. maybe its time for th
40 DG_pilot : """And did any of the students at this school, who were armed to the tee (as per the Republican dream) step in to stop this? Hmmm, your ideas work wel
41 Trvlr : This shooting really struck a chord with me because it happened only a few miles from where I go to school. When it happens in your own backyard there
42 Cba : I know there are not many chairs in halls, I am just saying that you can protect yourself against someone with a knife, whereas with a gun, you are de
43 Cicadajet : DG- Pilot your point is very well taken. Here in NYC the Mayor tried to have the Police Dept have access and supervise the school security..but this w
44 DeltaRNOmd-80 : "Only the really organized and advanced criminals" There you have it, the police would not guns either (as in most European countries) and the "really
45 Trvlr : So how about giving the police guns, and making it illegal for citizens to have them? Aaron G.
46 C72 : When people are determined to kill they will use anything they can to get the job done, so gun control is not the answer!
47 Trvlr : Well I don't think there is much worse than a student mowing down 15 students with a semiautomatic weapon (hypothetical statement)...I would rather th
48 N766AS : >I know positively that if another student just happened to have a gun handy, the outcome would be much different, and for the better. Not to mention,
49 DG_pilot : Yeah, I agree. Me too!
50 Leftseat86 : Tell me why in Europe, where guns are illegal, they have far lower deaths from firearms per year than in the U.S.? In Europe, people do not feel a nee
51 We're Nuts : A. Two wrongs do NOT make a right. B. Face it Dusty, you are a walking advertisement for guns in school. The best way to deal with these events are to
52 OH-LGA : Aaron, you said: So how about giving the police guns, and making it illegal for citizens to have them? Let me quote the Constitution of the United Sta
53 Post contains images N766AS : >The best way to deal with these events are to make sure they never happen again by not letting kids handle guns! Hey, Adam... what do you propose I d
54 We're Nuts : Zach, I would trust you with a gun. But please, when you have kids, keep it far, far away from them, okay?
55 DeltaRNOmd-80 : My father and grandfather were wise enough to teach me how to use a gun as a young child. That is the best kind of education one can give their child
56 Ericmetallica : Yeah lets go teach our son how to use a gun. OK. Smart.. They reported that this kid's dad had 6 guns in the house, 6. No Shit you won't be able to ge
57 RayChuang : I hate to say this, but: Banning ownership of guns by citizens is a license for criminals and potentially totalitarian governments to cause major havo
58 KROC : >And did any of the students at this school, who were armed to the tee (as per the Republican dream) step in to stop this? Hmmm, your ideas work well,
59 Ericmetallica : Why don't you guys NOT look at it from a political (republican vs democrat) veiw and look at it from a humanity stand point. It is in-human to go kill
60 We're Nuts : KROC, if you are going to lock them up, why have them? They won't do you a bit of good in a break in. Next! Oh, and I find it disturbing that Dustin's
61 KROC : We're Nuts: People have guns because maybe they like target shooting or whatever. Lock them up. Keep them out of your kids hands. If you have a gun fo
62 Post contains images Leftseat86 : I think the parents of the child should be given a punishment for letting their son/daughter have access to the weapon. I was reading about the "Massa
63 KROC : Bullets don't discriminate...
64 Ctbarnes : It's a depressingly familiar story. Some kid, for whatever reason, decides to arm him or herself, go to school and embark on a shooting spree. After t
65 We're Nuts : KROC, I just cannot see how you can defend such a weapon. It boggles the mind.
66 KROC : Its my opinion, plain and simple. It boggles my mind, how you cannot defend the right to bare arms! Not so you can kill people at will, but because it
67 We're Nuts : But guns DO kill people.
68 DG_pilot : Little Adam: I thoroughly explained in my post about the school incident that I was not supporting guns in school, and that I was using the school as
69 We're Nuts : You said you weren't advocating the use of guns in school, but you didn't do a very good job of it.
70 Post contains images N766AS : >But please, when you have kids, keep it far, far away from them, okay? Who said I wanted kids?! Ha! I'm staying single- its cheaper and less stressfu
71 Post contains images We're Nuts : Good, don't have kids! Even better, no more ultra right-wingers!
72 Post contains images Leftseat86 : Hey you gun lovers! Explain too me what is so fun and entertaining about guns that would make you want to have six or more in your own home? Oh yeah,
73 Ctbarnes : Two people died, and all you lot care about are your bloody guns! How sickning! Charles, SJ
74 KROC : DG Pilot: You are far from being able to critize someone's grammer. If you go to the grocery store, on isle 3, next to the bandaides, its right there
75 KROC : N766AS: I totally agree with your posts. Charles: I can reverse what you said around...2 kids have been killed, by a kid acting insanely, and all you
76 N766AS : >Good, don't have kids! Even better, no more ultra right-wingers! On second thought.... LOL >Two people died, and all you lot care about are your bloo
77 DG_pilot : LMAO!!! LMAO!!! Way to go KROC!!!!! I knew you would come through!! So far we have spelled "common sense" wrong and "grammar" wrong. My grammar may no
78 KROC : LMFAO, LMFAO, HAHAHAHAHA Way to go DG, sorry chief, but I am not correcting peoples spelling and grammer. I type to fast to worry about all the errors
79 Ctbarnes : Kroc: And where do we end up...? Everyone spouting the same tired half-baked arguements over and over because no one is willing to stop and think ther
80 N766AS : >because no one is willing to stop and think there may be more at stake. Tell me, Charles, what more can be at stake than the national security of the
81 DG_pilot : You will catch errors in perhaps every post of mine--and you can laugh. Like I said, I could care less. I just found it funny how things worked out li
82 Ctbarnes : Good grief, Zach, you sound as if we're on the brink of nuclear war. Let's tone down the hyperbole, shall we? If you want to save 280 million lives, g
83 N766AS : >Good grief, Zach, you sound as if we're on the brink of nuclear war. Let's tone down the hyperbole, shall we? If you want to save 280 million lives,
84 DeltaRNOmd-80 : Leftseat86- People are allowed to have as many guns as they want. For some people, like a friend of my dads, guns intrigue them. My dads friend spends
85 We're Nuts : Zach, you and your pathetic arsenal of pop-guns aren't going to put a dent in an advancing army. For what they may lack in size (compared to citizens
86 Ctbarnes : Don't give me that. You know just as well as I do why the Framers added the Second Amendment. For the protection of the national security of the USA a
87 N766AS : Its much more complicated than that, Adam.
88 We're Nuts : Describe.
89 N766AS : >Careful Zach, your self-rightiousness is showing WHAT?!?!?! I'm sorry, but my being concerned for the saftey, security, and liberty for the citizens
90 Post contains images We're Nuts : Well there goes my evening
91 N766AS : >sef-righteous I correct myself. I was kind of miffed, so I typed a bit fast. "Self-righteous" is what I meant to say. >Well there goes my evening Sor
92 Leftseat86 : I'm sorry if I sent the wrong message about people who like guns, but I just cannot see what is so fun about guns. Stamps don't kill living things. Ne
93 DG_pilot : Here are another couple of reposts of mine: ------------------------------------------------------ Also, I would NEVER underestimate an armed society
94 N766AS : >And why can't people who like this just paintball or play video games instead? Why can't I have guns as a hobby? Here are two reasons WHY I do have g
95 Leftseat86 : Well when Jefferson wrote that they didn't have computers or paintballing or most any of the hobbies we have now. Isn't there something more enriching
96 KROC : >And where do we end up...? Everyone spouting the same tired half-baked arguements over and over because no one is willing to stop and think there may
97 N766AS : >What exactly are guns made for Defense. But, of course, criminals in the United States (and funny- in Canada & Europe too!) get a hold of them. I try
98 N766AS : Oh, I was just watching the CBC (local BC provincial affiliate) and there was a story about a wacko with a loaded shotgun at the University of Alberta
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