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San Diego Chargers File Law Suit Over Lease  
User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Finally. Its happened. I hope the Chargers leave San Diego and win the Super Bowl wherever they go, some place where they are wanted. Its looking like its going to be Los Angeles.

With the Mayor, Dick (great name for this fruit) Murphy saying "If the Chargers want to fight, I'm willing to give them one,'' Murphy said. If they perform as well in the court room as they do on the field, I would say we'll kill them.''

It doesn't sound like the leaders want them, or care. I think we all knew that, but, I dont think it was ever said publicly.

This has been an ongoing thing for a few years now. The City of San Diego paid for the Padres to get a new field downtown. The Padre's suck. They dont sell out. I know the Chargers havent done much in a while either I know.
The Chargers have a packed house all the time. I, for one, would much rather go see the Chargers than the Padres. I think a lot of people would.

I dont feel the Charger's are taking advantage of the city. They have been trying to get a new stadium, one they dont have to share with SDSU. That is the most important issue. Trying to get a new field.


Chargers file suit against city of San Diego over lease

By BERNIE WILSON, AP Sports Writer
November 26, 2003
SAN DIEGO (AP) -- In a move that surprised and angered city officials, the San Diego Chargers filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles asking a judge to determine whether the team has triggered a clause that allows it to renegotiate its lease at Qualcomm Stadium.

The suit against the city of San Diego was filed late Tuesday afternoon in Los Angeles Superior Court. The Chargers didn't tell San Diego city officials or announce it until Wednesday morning, stirring up an already contentious issue.

Mayor Dick Murphy called the lawsuit a ``sneak,'' and he and City Attorney Casey Gwinn met the team's move with a verbal blitz.


``If the Chargers want to fight, I'm willing to give them one,'' Murphy said. ``If they perform as well in the court room as they do on the field, I would say we'll kill them.''

The Chargers are currently 2-9, tied for the worst record in the NFL. They haven't had a winning record or made a playoff appearance since 1995.

Murphy called the lawsuit ``an insult to the city of San Diego'' and criticized the team for filing it as the region tries to recover from last month's devastating wildfires.

``For the Chargers to try to take advantage of the people of San Diego is outrageous,'' Murphy said.

The Chargers want a judge to decide whether the team has met the complicated financial formula that would allow them to renegotiate their lease and free them to either pursue a proposed new stadium or leave town, perhaps for Los Angeles.

The trigger clause can only be activated if the team's salaries and benefits exceed its salary cap, which team officials say has been surpassed.

City negotiators have seen the Chargers' books but haven't commented publicly on the team's ability to trigger. However, Gwinn said he has ``grave doubts that they have presented any evidence that they can trigger.''

Gwinn also pointed out that the Chargers' suit states that ``The City's refusal either to acknowledge or challenge the validity of the Renegotiation Notice will significantly impair the Chargers' ability to conduct effective negotiations with third parties.''

Said Gwinn: ``Let's be clear about what the Chargers want -- to move to Los Angeles and make more money. Don't insult the intelligence of the fans and the taxpayers by telling us you want to stay, and then sue the taxpayers for the right to leave.''

There has been speculation for two years that the Chargers want to move to Los Angeles, which has been without the NFL since the Raiders and Rams left before the 1995 season. The Chargers played their first season, 1960, in Los Angeles before moving to San Diego.

The Chargers' lead negotiator, attorney Mark Fabiani, said the team has been contacted by groups in Los Angeles, Anaheim and Long Beach, but has told them it wants to try to make a deal in San Diego.

Fabiani, a former special counsel to the Clinton White House, said a provision in the team's 1995 lease agreement allows either side to file a suit anywhere in California.

``I think everyone realizes football is an emotional issue,'' Fabiani said. ``We want these decisions made based on the facts, not based on emotion.''





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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

I will not support any NFL team that comes to LA unless it's a start up expansion team. If a team moves once, they'll move again.

A LOT of people in SoCal are really, REALLY pissed off at Al Davis of the Raiders. The city of Irwindale gave him something like $5 million in "goodwill" money to move to Irwindale-which would've built a new stadium in one of the rock quarry pits.

He pocketed the cash and said "No thanks" and moved to Oakland.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

Hmm, I'm not sure I want the Chargers around much, either. Of course, the Chargers aren't my primary civic concern (*cough*new airport*cough*), plus I think the new Padres ballpark will do a lot more for the city than a Qualcomm renovation.

I guess I'm indifferent. Don't mind if the Chargers stay, don't mind if they leave. We'll see what happens.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1105 times:

New airport isnt going to happen for another 30 years.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1099 times:

You've got that right. And even then, it probably wouldn't even be built in San Diego County!

Aaron G.


User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1090 times:

For the CHargers to think they are going to get the city to cough up 300 million for a new stadium, even if just as a land giveaway in exchange for sales taxes, they are nuts. The city is in the midst of a tremendous budget shortfall (the fault of the city government)...and with potential cutbacks on an already strained public safety budget on the horizon...

The Chargers just don't contribute much, if anything, to the city. Hope the door does not hit em in the ass on the way out.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1086 times:

Enlighten me, what exactly have the Padres contributed that allowed them to get a stadium?

User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

Timing and politics were on the side of the Padres. While there was some dirty politics being played the Padres were pretty good about not threatening the city etc...The Chargers negotiated a good deal for themselves and then proceeded to shoot themselves in the foot...The smartest thing they could have done would be to back off the ticket guaruntee when they started losing. That little bit has made them many enemies within the city. Pushing for the statium to be remodeled and then, after the money has been spent saying, "no, this is a dump, we need new..." that bit them in the ass. Being critical of the city over the way the Superbowl was handled and having the head of the NFL trash the stadium when all the sports writers etc are saying what a great city this was and how well things went and USA Today voting the stadium one of the best football venues...

I know it kind of rambles (hey, it is 0100!) But the Chargers did not play the politics well.


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2586 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1064 times:

This reason would probably be way down on the list, but would the sheer number of baseball games played vs. the relatively small number of football games give an incentive for a new downtown baseball stadium?

Chargers moving to Long Beach? The Long Beach Gangstas does have a certain, "charm" to it. Hell, the NFL only plays rap/hip-hop as background music anyway.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

If I were an NFL owner, and the Chargers were trying to move to LA, I'd vote against the move. LA has had more chances with the NFL than any other city; They lost the Rams to St. Louis, and Al Davis moved his team back to Oakland. They were awarded an expansion franchise, but lost it when they couldn't get a stadium deal in place (the NFL did not want a team to play at the crumbling LA Coliseum) to Houston. The State of California will not help out with the stadium financing, as Der Governator has more pressing financial issues. So where could they end up if the team decided to move? Las Vegas, San Antonio, or Portland could be possibilities.

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

Las Vegas would be awesome. They would obviously have to build a stadium first. UNLV venue only holds like 40,000. I am sure Vegas has more than enough money to build a stadium.

User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1047 times:

The way the Chargers play they may wind up at Compton High School playing the JV!

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1043 times:

Tony, you sound like the Mayor.  Big grin They are doomed.

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1038 times:

Don't look for an LA move...LA hasn't been able to support either the Rams or Raiders, why would the Chargers be any different?

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

L.A. is a great Sports Town, and they would absolutely get behind and support another crappy football team.

Signed, Atlanta


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1037 times:

List of prevalent words and phrases in the first post:


The Padre's suck.

he Chargers have a packed house all the time.

I, for one, would much rather go see the Chargers than the Padres.

Dick

take advantage of the people of San Diego (!)

Raiders

Rams

Chargers

Clinton


No wonder you lot are obsessed with this kind of stuff.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1026 times:

Three letters to describe LA's football fever:

XFL


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

No wonder you lot are obsessed with this kind of stuff.

And the point/reason for such an assinine post?

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

"Enlighten me, what exactly have the Padres contributed that allowed them to get a stadium? "

I seem to recall that they were able to get into the World Series of 1998 up against the NY Yankees...they obviously did not win but it was enough to weigh in on voting fans that made their decisions on the ballot of 1998 to NOT pump money into a new downtown library but into a new ballpark.

I have always hated the construction of that crap, especially its "ideal" location: freakin downtown! Somehow, they choose a place with slightly not enough room to move, and the convention center is like right across the street. Smart. Just like when the Marines fudged the data of their giant CH-54's and claimed that they were quieter than making Miramar an new airport back during that decision in 1994. Even smarter.

Heck even the rich-f*uckers in La Jolla somehow with their fellow colleagues from UCSD (second top school in CA) convinced millions that airliners were louder than military flight vehicles! Oh my God...the genius...its everywhere!!! Stupid mofos, even the populace cannot even figure what is good for them. San Diego is a Navy town, yet somehow, most folks are aerospace dumbphucks.

Obsessed with sports, obsessed with this paradise that America's Finest City is supposed to be, obsessed with the weather that even 1 day out of 365 gets rain everybody acts like the biblical flood is making a comeback. I remember in July of 98 during the El Nino thing, there were 90 accidents on both the I-15 and I-5 due to DRIZZLE!

Most San Diegans are just the weirdest people, those NIMBY fools take many things for granted. Nevertheless, as long as they can have their Chargers, Padres, and 365-day-sun, nothing else matters, huh?  Yeah sure

I hate sports, I love rain and I would like it if Miramar was the new SAN; which makes me the weirdest person there I guess.

"``If they perform as well in the court room as they do on the field, I would say we'll kill them.’’ "

As much I don't care for sports, I think that comment sucked ass and Murphy can go outside and play hide-and-go-f*uck himself.  Wink/being sarcastic





The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

777236--Yeah, we get obsessed with the sex part because the sports teams have a habit of bending us (as a community) over the hood of a car and banging away....

Lephron--Dude, you need to move somewhere nice. Thought about Kearny Mesa? Maybe Blythe?  Smile

Go downtown and check out the new parking structure at 11th and Market. I want to see that empty out with half the people being drunk after a game. That is going to be a mess. What they are betting on is most people taking the trolley in...uh huh.

THe city can't afford to buy new fire and police equipment, the roofs on the community libraries leak like sieves, yet they are still going to build a huge new library downtown (right next to the ballpark, where the police garage is at 11th and J.)

The police department has to fly the oldest police helicopter in the US because the city can't afford to buy a decent aircraft. (as a result they spend a ton on maintenance and trying to fix things that have not been manufactured in a decade...)

Ahhh retirement will be nice.  Smile


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