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Bush In Baghdad!  
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Just breaking news... President Bush flies to Baghdad for Thanksgiving with the troops.

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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

NOOOO!! You beat me too it.  Laugh out loud Big grin

Oh well. I'm sure some people are currently in meltdown mode.



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Atta boy George! Hopefully someone has a camera to catch that sucker on the ground.



User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104246,00.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq — President Bush (search) made a surprise Thanksgiving visit to American troops in Baghdad Thursday, flying secretly to violence-scarred Iraq to thank U.S. forces for serving there. It was the first trip ever by an American president to Iraq -- a mission tense with concern about his safety.



Awesome President we have here, what other US president would visit troops an thanksgiving in a war zone.



"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

that was extremly stupid. because i am sure the iraqi opposition will take pot shots at every plane and chopper they can, putting all american servicemen in bigger harms way then without dubya in iraq.
because i doubt they will pass the chance of attempting on hitting the jackpot. and they have been quite creative at insurgent tactics.

so just another selfish good PR move by george without thinking about the risks and dangers that will additionally be set upon the ppl he is responsible for as CIC



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User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

All that security for him in London last week.. I wonder what the security is like in Baghdad..

Josh


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Damned if you do... damned if you don't.

User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

The security at Baghdad INTL is better than it could be in London.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2449 times:
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I don't think even Alpha 1 could criticize the President for this gesture. This is one stand-up guy we've got in the White House.




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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8171 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

I think Bush is a threat to peace everywhere, as well as the environment and the seperation between church and state, and probably everything else - let's just say I'm not a fan; but this is the first time I've ever been impressed by the man. It takes balls, especially after what happened to that A300 just a few days ago. Jesus christ, I can't believe I'm saying this, I actually feel dizzy with shock.

Nice one George!



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Zak what an incredibly stupid comment. The opposition already takes potshots, nothing new there.

PR move? Didn't little miss Clinton just visit Afghanistan? What is she trying to do? Establish citizenship so she can run for Senator over there ?

Happy Turkey day.....

Jeff



User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

If Bush cared for the troops that much, he wouldn't have sent them over there in the first place...

This is just a move to increase his popularity and give the false appearance of integrity and caring.



"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7965 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Damned if you do... damned if you don't.

Agreed. I'm sure most Americans, let alone the troops, welcome his surprise visit, though, and honestly, despite being fully aware it's another PR stunt, I like the idea as well. It's brave and courageous of him, I think, and I can hear some Iraqi fighters banging their heads agains a wall from here.




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User currently offlineQwerty From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

PR. Sure, all politics is PR. What's the point.

Even so, it takes balls to go where you send your soldiers and remind them why history will be kinder to them than the Free-Tibet-but-damned-if-you-free-Iraq types who hate war because they don't realize peace only happens after you fight for it.

Couldn't be a prouder American. Sure glad I live here.


User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Qwerty, you think there is peace in Iraq right now?


"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

This is just a move to increase his popularity and give the false appearance of integrity and caring.

Couldn't have said it better.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

A lot more then there ever was......KYI.... a whole lot more.

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

I agree Fred, You, probably couldn't.......

User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

It looks somewhat like Santa Claus coming from the North Pole bringing cookies to astounded children.

Cheers Kilavoud.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Great comment Zak. For you and all you nay sayers, you need to get a clue. This is an incredible act by the President. Not for me, not for you, but for the troops who are over their fighting. Who are away from their families and friends, while we all sit in the comforts of home and stuff our selves. And if you think I am BSing, I challenge anyone of you to spend a couple Holiday's away from family and loved ones. Try eating your Thanksgiving meal in a chow hall. Spending Christmas alone in a Barracks room. Big ups to President Bush. Sure he will get lots of PR run out of this, but that is besides the point. The President touched those 600 troops he saw directly and the importance of his visit will be more widespread amoung the troops that most of you can comprehend. Again, well done President Bush. A great move for all.

Oh and this...

This is just a move to increase his popularity and give the false appearance of integrity and caring.

Great to see ignorance and its followers alive and well. It is OBVIOUS NONE of you have a clue what its liketo serve, and how important something like this is to the troops, their families, etc.

[Edited 2003-11-27 19:38:12]

User currently offlineQwerty From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2339 times:

KWIP, if you are 16-20 as your profile states, the I'm fine with you thinking what is happening now in Iraq is wrong, call it unpeaceful. In 10 years, you'll disagree with your old self.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2316 times:

This is another nice example of Bashing Bush for whatever reason you can. If he didnt go, then you would be screaming about how dare he send out troops, but not put himself in the line of fire. He then goes out there, and everyone complains that he is putting everyone at risk by going !@!!

What a load of rubbish, while I am certainly no fan of him, what he did today was a fantastic thing

Jeremy


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2309 times:

@kroc
thanks, i also thought my comment was great  Smile

and in regard to "Great to see ignorance and its followers alive and well. It is OBVIOUS NONE of you have a clue what its liketo serve, and how important something like this is to the troops, their families, etc."

if anything in that respect is ignorant, it is you assuming that every soldier thinks of politicians as gift like you seem to do. and "families"? i would guess they dont care about politicians visiting people, they would care more about politicians getting their loved ones not into harms way in the first place, or at least back home ASAP.
i am still active reserve and did my share of fast roping out of ch-53s till 2 years ago. i turned down the offer to join the international long range surveillance school and then go on assignment on the balkans(which im glad about since that was before 9/11, im sure i would have gotten a ride to kabul instead). and i can tell you one thing what i, and everyone i served with both british and german army would have thought about a politician visiting us and therefore increasing our risk: "go to hell whoever you are we dont want you here".
ok i do admit that it is likely different with u.s. ppl since they do see their elected president as a god like figure (not as criticizm but thats just how i percieved american soldiers etc with clinton too) in comparison to us euros.
so please stop stop assuming that everyone in armed forces worldwide sees things as you do. you are for sure not the only active or retired soldier on these forums.



10=2
User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2293 times:

People attacking Bush for his Baghdad visit would be screaming just as loudly if he had sat around in Crawford all Thanksgiving. Nothing he does will ever please them, so rational people can tune them out.

This was a great gesture on behalf of our armed forces who were in need of a morale boost, and involved a not-insignificant risk on the part of the president. Certainly this won't hurt his political campaign, but the sheer delight on our soldiers' faces when Bush walked out made the whole thing worth it. After Bush walked out, the troops went absolutely crazy, cheering and waving, and video shows what look like tears in his eyes as he stood at the podium. I think he was genuinely moved the their reaction. People are terribly jaded indeed if they impute purely political motives to every action, good and bad, that Bush takes - like him or not, he is still a human being.

--B2707SST



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User currently offlineNwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 692 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 day ago) and read 2278 times:

Thank God we have a president like George W. Bush who has the balls to go and visit our troops in a war zone. Unlike Howard Dean who would probably pull the troops the first day he could take office as President (God willing he never will!).
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I have a question for all of you liberals. Is Iraq better off with out Saddam's sons going around and raping woman? What about the torture chambers? Have you not seen the torturous videos of people being thrown off buildings to their death? Or how about the first hand accounts of people witnessing their family members being murdered in gruesome ways, (i.e. being slaughtered in wood chippers)? I thought you liberals were for human rights. But apparently when it doesn’t fit you agenda, you could care less about woman being raped and killed.
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25 777236ER : Is Iraq better off with out Saddam's sons going around and raping woman? What about the torture chambers? Have you not seen the torturous videos of pe
26 BigMac : Well said Nwcoflyer!!! I still can't believe how ignorant some people can be. All of Iraqs wealth flew straight into Sadam & Co's pockets when he was
27 Jamesag96 : Awesome....no other way to describe it. Sad to see there are still some idiots on here.... Happy Thanksgiving James From Aggieland Howdy Jeremy![Edite
28 B757300 : Bush also met with the Iraqi Governing Council while he was there.
29 JeffM : Guys...."Spin"....it's what the liberals do. ( and the conservatives as well, to keep it fair...)
30 777236ER : He met with the board of Halliburton? They must have been honoured.
31 Nwcoflyer : 777236ER, Was Iraq better off when Saddam was an ally of the US? Was Iran better off when the Shah was a CIA puppet? Are the Chinese better off with t
32 777236ER : That'd make sense, if I hated America. I don't. But the standard "we rid the world of an evil man! Evil!! Man!!" doesn't really hold up to scrutiny wh
33 Sabena 690 : Of course the gesture itself is nice, but I still have my doubts whether this was out of sympathy with the troups, or just another PR stunt. Probably
34 Apathoid : It was easy to predict what the ususal suspects would have to say about this.. What it says to me is that we have a man of integrity in the White Hous
35 Jamesag96 : Apathoid said it well. Regards, James
36 United777 : Okay what the hell is the big deal! He's not the first major leader to go to Iraq since the war ended. Tony Blair went back in May, Collin Powell alre
37 EA CO AS : Good to see George there but it's about time and I don't see why it's such a big deal! The big deal is the fact that he's the President of the United
38 Inbound : I don't live in the US, I'm not an American...and like most people around the world outside of the US, I didn't support the war and GWB. but consideri
39 Cptkrell : When I first heard about this at the while bar watching my miserable Detroit Lions actually looking good winning the annual Thanksgiving Day game, I t
40 Speedbirdyvr : "I have a question for all of you liberals. Is Iraq better off with out Saddam's sons going around and raping woman? What about the torture chambers?
41 Covert : Best thing President Bush did in a long time. Great move. covert
42 Post contains images Bobrayner : The security at Baghdad INTL is better than it could be in London. Why? No irksome civil rights? Anyway. It's an impressive action. I do have to respe
43 Alpha 1 : I don't have any problem with Bush doing this, but if any of you-KROC-want to be naive enough to think he didn't do this, in part, for his re-election
44 Post contains images Commander_rabb : Ha ha ha! A STUNNING trip. An absolute brilliant move to show support to the fighting military men and women of the United States Armed Forces. There
45 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Commander rabb, I think you're overstating this trip. It won't stop the violence; it won't bring the troops home earlier; it won't seal the President'
46 KYIPpilot : KROC I support our troops one hundred percent. Yes, it was a nice gesture for GWB to visit them and make their Thankgiving one to remember, but I thin
47 Post contains images Boeing4ever : PR stunt? Possibly, but then again, any incumbant President will face those accusations around election time. Most likely it was both for PR and cuz h
48 Bravo45 : ...........and its only logical that the trip was a TOP SECRET and that he didn't show himself to what he calls all those people gald for it and the o
49 N766UA : It's not a PR stunt if CNN doesn't even know he's doing it till after the fact. Man those media pukes were pissed off....
50 Alpha 1 : It's not a PR stunt if CNN doesn't even know he's doing it till after the fact. Man those media pukes were pissed off.... Even fair and balanced Fox w
51 L-188 : Isn't he the first president since Eisenhower to visit a war zone. I don't think anybody ended up in Nam, and Ike went to Korea in 50 something. But y
52 N766UA : lol actually I was quite delighted that the media was up-ended by this. I'm sick of them. I think it's exactly what it was supposed to be- a morale bo
53 JeffM : Landing on a carrier is just plain fun. Hell, if you can't get a trap as CinC, you can't get a trap! Even if it was in a 'Hoover'! At least they didn'
54 Alpha 1 : Isn't he the first president since Eisenhower to visit a war zone. Hardly. LBJ visited Vietnam during hostilities; I think Nixon did, too. But you hav
55 JeffM : I hope Hillary runs in 2008. Most Republicans do. We will let you figure out why.... Hell I'm sure the guys liked having her there....after all, the c
56 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Hell I'm sure the guys liked having her there....after all, the chow probably got good real fast..! Yeah, and that turkey Bush served didn't look like
57 Cptkrell : C'mon, Alpha1, there's PR in every public appearance by every public official. Maybe sometimes that's the ONLY reason for many, but I don't think THIS
58 Post contains images JeffM : You got that right.....more like Navy chow....
59 Alpha 1 : C'mon, Alpha1, there's PR in every public appearance by every public official. Maybe sometimes that's the ONLY reason for many, but I don't think THIS
60 JetService : I guess everything that was bound to have been said was said already. Most of it predictable, some not so predictable. I am quite amazed this trip hap
61 Post contains images L-188 : Hell I'm sure the guys liked having her there....after all, the chow probably got good real fast..! Good point It would explain the applause.
62 JeffM : Anything that raises the quality of chow in the mess tent gets a big applause, THAT is for certain. They would have clapped if her husband had come al
63 Kevin : GWB at BGW Way to go George!
64 Cancidas : Isn't he the first president since Eisenhower to visit a war zone. didn't clinton go to the balkans during hostilities there?
65 Covert : 1999: President Bill Clinton addressed Kosovar refugees and NATO military personnel in Macedonia, two weeks after end of NATO airstrikes to drive Yugo
66 L-188 : Well, I was wrong on the count that Johnson and Nixon both ended up in Nam. LBJ twice. Clinton as pointed out in that posting was post-war.
67 Zak : "Clinton as pointed out in that posting was post-war." didnt bush announce the end of major combat operations a few months ago? if so his visist was p
68 L-188 : Actually, Some of the comments he made in that little speech I find ill-advised. That is one of them. And last time I checked, his exact quote was "ma
69 Post contains images Teva : He just has done his job. He would have gained my respect by taking this opportunity to visit the real Bagdad, where people don't have water or electr
70 Post contains images Voodoo : He never left the airport so he never entered Baghdad. We also have to assume the accompanying journalists can actually recognise Baghdad Airport and
71 Alpha 1 : After the atrocities being committed by rapacious American soldiers in the name of the so called "war on terror" ROTFLMAO, Roy, is "rapacious" even a
72 Boeing4ever : So George "Bring 'em On" Bush sneaks into Baghdad like a scared pussycat! Alpha1 already covered your idiocy in the last reply, but this statement I f
73 MD-90 : I really liked one part from an article in the paper about the visit: Bush and Condoleeza rode in an unmarked car, wearing baseball caps. Bush slouche
74 Alpha 1 : Bullshit, MD-90, he did it in part for the troops, and int part to increase his popularity. He's a politician, and ANY politican, whether he admits it
75 Alpha 1 : As for "proving the atrocities", i could post links from Arabic news channels which have been covering the news far more objectively without any slant
76 Post contains images JAL777 : i could post links from Arabic news channels which have been covering the news far more objectively without any slant. Is this some type of joke? May
77 L-188 : I'd like to see you post the source for that story. Would be interesting to see what you news stories are making up.
78 Indianguy : Even if a civilian were standing in the middle of a formation of anti-aircraft missiles, and gets killed by an American attack, you'd chalk it down a
79 L-188 : The link to that sewage story Roy, please.
80 JAL777 : The link to that sewage story Roy, please. Don't hold your breath.
81 Cptkrell : Well, I can give you a link to an astonishing sewage story, but Roy won't like it as it's about the 160,000,000 Indians living under the caste system:
82 Alpha 1 : Roy, what you said to me made absolutely no sense. If said civilian was killed in said situation, they were killed in an act of war, and they shouldn'
83 Post contains images Alpha 1 : (Abridged because I am just a poor consultant struggling to make ends meet and unlike Alpha1 does not have the option of surviving on doles. That mean
84 JeffM : IndianGuy, All of what you show, or tried to show could have been prevented. You do know THAT don't you? One person, could have done it.
85 Alpha 1 : One person, could have done it. Not to agree with Roy, because I won't, but JeffM, Saddam was told to get rid of his WMD's or face invasion. Looking a
86 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I knew you would find some way to "justify" your sick idiotic beliefs. "Sick idiotic beliefs." This coming from a man who OPENLY has supported terrori
87 Boeing4ever : Unlike Alpha1, i do have a life outside of ANET and can only come here in my free time which is not so often. (Abridged because I am just a poor consu
88 L-188 : Looking at the last 8 months, it seems he complied But he wasn't letting anybody know that he complied. Which in the end means that the world had to t
89 Bobrayner : But he wasn't letting anybody know that he complied. Which in the end means that the world had to treat him as if he had them. So, when he was denying
90 Alpha 1 : ROTFLMAO. Exactly, Bobrayner. The guy never said he had the weapons, and indeed, denied it. What our right-wing, pro-war friend L-188 is talking about
91 JeffM : Put me down for $10 on Iran too! ...don't you just love it when he gets out his crystal ball?..... Bwaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
92 Post contains links and images MD-90 : From Jay Nordlinger's column Impromptous: http://www.nationalreview.com/impromptus/impromptus200312010847.asp The criticism Bush has taken over the Ir
93 Bobrayner : MD-90, You seem to have lots of time for finding & pasting articles about Bush. Could you spare a few moments to give us the truth about WMDs? Or is t
94 Cash777 : Don't be surprised if you see this trip to Baghdad in some commercial later on for the republican presidential campain in months to come.
95 Cfalk : So, when he was denying he had WMDs, it was actually a cunning double- or triple-bluff because he wanted to be invaded? According to Tarek Aziz, yes,
96 Post contains images Flyingbronco05 : The only reason he landed in Baghdad was because he couldn't find an aircraft carrier fb05
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