Commander_rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 9 Posted (10 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1739 times:
Spain has lost 7 of it's Intelligence agents in an ambush by Saddam loyalists and Japan has lost 2 of it's diplomats in another ambush near Tikrit.
The world must realize that these foreign nationals are there to help Iraq and their deaths only streghten the resolve of the coalition to rid Iraq of it's former regime and its terrorists. It is no longer just "against" the United States. All countries are at risk.
Prime Minister Koizumi of Japan will move forward with it's Japanese Defence Force deployment. Once again these terrorists have mis-calculated.
The United States stands proud and strong with these two fine countries and for their support for this just and noble cause.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1721 times:
There is not a fucking thing, Commander rabb, that is just and noble about this cause. Invading country not at war with is; dictating their government; going to war over dubious reasons, is not just, it's not noble. That's horse shit. It's a disgrace, and that's what history will record it as. Enjoy being associated and supporting a disgrace.
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 24 Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
I think I figured out why Saddam's cronies have resisted far more than the surviving Nazis and Japanese militants did at the end of World War II. At the end of W.W.I.I., it was clear who was the victor and who was the vanquished. Germany and Japan has been reduced to rubble and Japan had seen the awesome power of the atomic bomb.
In Iraq we were too quick and too nice. The nation didn't have to suffer and we didn't turn cities into piles of rubble. Those still loyal to Saddam never had to look total destruction in the eyes and see that they really were defeated. We need to stop fighting a politically correct war and start shooting some stuff to bits.
Of course, the terrorists that have come to Iraq don't care one way or the other about Saddam or the Iraqi people. They just want to kill Americans and anyone else who supports us.
NoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7898 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
Great, just another Iraq related thread. And yes, I know I better shouldn't even think of responding to this topic, let alone to something B757300 writes. But this right-wing aquivalent to Roy really cracks me up. Indeed, I wonder who is worse. You are really advocating even more violence, you WANT to see civilians die because this would fit your weird theory neatly. Did it ever cross your mind that both situations - Germany 1945 and Iraq 2003 - are two completely different pair of shoes? Fear for the Russians, enlightenment, a period of democracy - non-existent in today's Iraq. The only thing, which I think comes close to early post-war Germany is that the Iraqi people are tired after three Gulf wars and a long period of severe sanctions. And now you want to put some nukes on top of it, or what? If you would be in Iraq right now seeing your pal disappear in a body bag - I would, somehow, understand. But certainly not under this circumstances.
Instead of dreaming of killing innocents and harming international statutes (like Americans already do at Guantanamo Bay) you should think again and wonder what effects a "total war" against regions in the muslim ME will likely cause. Terrorism maybe? You wonder why they are fighting against your troops and against anything considered "west"? They think the western world's in a crusade against the Holy Quran and the poor believers. They consider the US ("the big devil") and Israel ("the small devil") in the forefront of the above mentioned "crusade". This means they think WE - your country AND mine - are the true agressors.
And now you want to bomb them, kill them and rot them out to make them change their mind? Do you use to extinguish a fire by adding kerosine to it?
You are even more openly graving for blood than Roy is. For a glimpse of a moment I wanted to call you "Americanguy" (in reference to Roy's nick) but I do not want to insult the vast majority of level-headed Americans.
Commander_rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
Nations commit themselves for various reasons. Spain and Japan have done particularly so. They also say that Iraqis should join Washington's program, or risk being cut out of the process altogether. President Bush has said "You have the opportunity to seize the moment and rebuild your great country based on dignity and freedom...The regime of Saddam Hussein has gone forever... We will stay until the job is done."
For all the merits both pro and con about why the Unites States forced Saddam out, it would certainly be more prudent to see Iraq be successful in rebuilding it's country and providing the best for its citizens.
Now it looks like Spain and Japan will further commit themselves to help do just that, just as their Italian brothers have as well.
There is no more nobel and greater cause than to help one's fellow man and neighbor in time of crisis. And the crisis is instability caused by forces that seek to reinstate the ways of old. That is to say Saddam and his former regime.
KYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1541 times:
Reducing Iraq to complete ruble, as B757300 wants to do, sure would be "libreating" Iraq, as you war supporters have claimed. Oh but sure, they will be much better off now, rather than under Saddam, because the country will be leveled, right? It will do nothing but cause more terrorist attacks against our troops and increase hatred and the cost of this illegal invasion.
"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
25 Airplay: Speaking of Canada...what about the Canadians dying in Afghanistan? The theatre of the "real" fight against terrorism?
26 ConcordeLoss: Guys "make no mistake about it" People in the US watch CNN's news and think thats all thats going in the world. That explains a lot of the unrealism t
27 Cancidas: speaking of combat losses, poland lost it's first soldier in iraq as well. he was a major.
28 Bobrayner: Spain has lost 7 of it's Intelligence agents in an ambush by Saddam loyalists and Japan has lost 2 of it's diplomats in another ambush near Tikrit. Sa
29 Indianguy: Alpha1 cant keep away from the personal insults i see! Thats pretty much the only option when you run out of arguments! To get to the topic: The Ameri
30 EmiratesA345: "speaking of combat losses, poland lost it's first soldier in iraq as well. he was a major." Poland had no business being there in the first place. Th
31 Yyz717: The American occupation of Iraq is illegal So was Saddam's rule then. Nowhere except in the delusional minds of some inthe White House and some like A
32 Alpha 1: The American occupation of Iraq is illegal, and the Iraqi people are goign to fight to win back their freedom. You'd have to have had freedom to begin
33 Yyz717: Alpha has a point. The US occupation will soon end and Iraqi democracy can then flower. This would not have been possible under Saddam. The US is the
34 N79969: "Poland had no business being there in the first place. Things like this happen in war." British and Indian soldiers were involved in the post-war occ
35 Alpha 1: Alpha has a point. The US occupation will soon end and Iraqi democracy can then flower. I didn't say democracy would flower, Yyz717. I'm terribly worr
36 Airplay: The US occupation will soon end and Iraqi democracy can then flower Two things wrong with this statement. The US occupation will NOT end soon by all i
37 Alpha 1: Number two, "Iraqi democracy" is a pipe dream. I won't sit on that chair, either, Airplay. It may be a difficult task, but it doesn't mean it can't be
38 Airplay: Freedom-true freedom is possible, but it will be at a stiff price, and won't happen overnight. OK..I can buy that. At least you acknowledge it won't b
39 Yyz717: You have at least 3 very different cultures forced to live within some arbitrary borders formulated by the British. Fair enough. So let them split int
40 ConcordeLoss: The US occupation will soon end and Iraqi democracy can then flower What exactly is your definition of soon? What democracy are you talking about? Did
41 B2707SST: The latest spate of attacks makes it crystal clear that the vaunted "international peacekeeping force" the Dems are pushing for will make very little