Marcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1719 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 983 times:
To this day I enjoy the reruns over and over. It is dated and campy, but back in 1978 it was exciting!
That might be so, but even for a series that first aired in the late 70's some of the special effects were better that series thar aired later on like Buck Rogers and the first seasons of Star Trek TNG.
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AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 959 times:
Actually, he's referring to "Galactica 1980", a brief and el-cheapo revival of the series the following mid-season after the original 'Battlestar' was cancelled in 1979. It was set some 25 years after the initial series and focussed on a grown up 'Boxey' (Serena's (Jane Seymour) little son in the 1st series-first played by Noah Hathaway, later of Wolfgang Peterson's fantasy epic, "The Neverending Story"). The grown-up Boxey, now called Troy and played by former Adam-12 cop, Kent McCord, later to play John Chrichton's dad in 'Farscape', partnered with Barry Van Dyke (son of Dick Van Dyke) as the Galactica finally found Earth, only to discover it had led the Cylons there. Though the pilot for this second effort showed promise, mainly in using the Colonial Vipers for time travel, the few episodes that followed were mainly a waste of time and a disappointment for all Galactica fans. Only Lorne Greene was left from the original cast though Dirk Benedict guested in the last episode. If Galactica 1980 had lived up to the promise of the impressive simulated Cylon attack on Los Angeles (using footage from the movie, 'Earthquake'), it might've been a worthy sequel. The new mini-series is also sure to disappoint die-hard fans of the original, due to the character-gender changes, the Cylon revamp and the heavy injection of sex into the story. I've an open mind and can probably appreciate it apart from my fondness for the original, as I did Tim Burton's reimagined "Planet of the Apes". However, original Apollo Richard Hatch is quite steamed and seems to be generating a core of dissent against the remake. Relax, folks, it's ONLY a TV show, AS WAS the original. NOW, Andersjt, who's more the geek - you or I?
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29350 posts, RR: 62 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 954 times:
Opps, your right it was Gallactica 1980.
The original Battlestar's Gallactica's main problem is that orginally it was supposed to only be a mini-series. So when they decided to go a series there was a lot of problems.
Jane Seymour had only signed on for the mini-series, so when they went to the series she wasn't willing. That is why they killed her off by the third episode.
They also didn't have any scripts prepared, so they quickly had to come up with some. And in many ways, that contributed to the "campy" feel of the show. Especially anytime they ended up on a planet somewhere. In this way BS was kind of like DS9, it was a pretty slow show until they went to the military/war plot.
As long as they stayed in Space they generally did pretty good.
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EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12559 posts, RR: 64 Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 935 times:
As long as they stayed in Space they generally did pretty good.
AMEN! That's how I feel about all sci-fi movies and shows, though; keeping it action-packed and centered on the use of spaceships keeps it interesting. The boring love stories, personal growth lessons and so on are best left to soap operas, or perhaps "The Love Boat."
As a brilliant writer opined when penning a mock script/review of "Star Wars: Episode II":
LHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 924 times:
I'm kinda pissed. I was also completely psched for the revisitation of one of my childhood icons...and it blew ass. Watching this series is like getting a toy Cylon fighter without the spring-loaded shooting missiles.
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Andersjt From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 918 times:
Well, the BSG board at SciFi.com has been inundated, and the reviews aren't good.
My take - WHOA! So real. Dark, and boy did it make the humans look like idiots with their pants down. In the original you got the impression there was still some military superiority on the part of the humans who were ambushed. In this one, I would love to have seen more of the actual Cylon attacks on the other Battlestars rather than those depressing nukes being dropped on Caprica. It was said this would be reminiscent of 9/11, too reminiscent if you ask me.
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UALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 908 times:
I too thought it was remenisent of 9-11, especially the scenes on the liner. '
In general though I have to say this is pretty good. There is a better subplot on how Baltar betrayed the Colonies. The special effects are very good for a TV movie. And you have to remember in this version and the original the Colonies were desimated and humanity would be enslaved or extinguished. That is VERY clear in the update.
It was really fun to see the guy in the begining looking at the old series Cylons as what the cylons looked like forty years previously. There are alot of nice homages to the original.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 900 times:
I'm not surprised that the postings on SciFi's site are mostly negative. The cast is mostly poor compared to the original. The new Apollo is so bland with none of Richard Hatch's charisma. Kara Starbuck, though likeable, can't hold a candle to Dirk Benedict's Starbuck. And Boomer, now an Asian female, is no substitute for the warm, black male buddy as played by Herbert Jefferson Jr., who I had the pleasure of chatting with back in 1980 at a Space:1999 convention (yes, there actually were a few of those!), along with Ann Lockhart (Sheba)-(daughter of 'Lassie' and 'Lost in Space' mom, June Lockhart), who was a bit of a 'bottle-tipper' at the convention. Worse yet, Adama's engaging daughter Athena and the Starbuck-tempting blond, Casiopeia, the 'socialator' (read hooker), were nowhere to be found. I do give Elward James Almos credit for his Adama, however-with his craggy face and gravelly voice, he had the right aura for the part, not that he was better than Lorne Greene, just different. And the guy who played the now-white Colonel Tigh was alright too. Gaius Baltar, however, was done all wrong, substituting a sex-deceived intellectual for the maniacal turncoat deliciously essayed by the late, great Canadian actor, John Colicos was a HUGE mistake. And the added sex was gratuitous and unnecessary to the plot, though the idea of a human-looking Cylon seductress, infiltrating Trojan Horse-like was interesting. The attack itself was a bit obscure. The space battle effects were impressive but not as much as 25 years of advancement would warrant. In short, I'm not as down on the new Galactica as most fans seem to be but I can empathize with their disappointment. Sci-Fi should've stuck to their original plan to pick up the story where it originally left off and incorporated as many of the original cast, as possible. Only original producer Glen A. Larson, who had a dispute with Richard Hatch over the rights to 'Galactica', is seemingly the only one of the original team involved in any way with the new one and probably not very much. Hatch seems determined to yet make his own version, one faithful to the original and to the 'Battlestar' books he wrote, though he'll probably have to re-engage Larson, Sci-Fi and Universal in another legal battle over the property. Perhaps, a story about the convoluted goings-on behind the scenes of the making of the new version would've made a more interesting movie than the story, itself!
UALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 888 times:
Gotta tell you after watching tonights episode, I still can't complain. I like it. Yes it's different from the original, but I saw the original, played with the toys and read the comicbooks, I know that story. This is different but stands on its own.
Lindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3072 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 886 times:
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I watched both halves and liked it. Maybe I haven't watched a lot of sci-fi series but I really liked the fact that this series portrayed its space battles in a manner more appropriate to the actually physics of flying in space. The spacecraft were clearly flying in three dimensions, they were able to turn and swivel while maintaining velocity in the original direction, they did not need to engage their thrusters constantly, etc.
Mostly, I thought the story-telling was improved, although I have no idea what was the motive of the cylons. Was that explained in the first five minutes of the first half (which I missed)? Nice effort, I'd say.
AirJamPanAm From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 248 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 869 times:
The reviews were savage, and I was prepared to really hate it.
I saw the first two episodes back to back because I was able to TIVO them.
Understandably the gender switches of the original character names is a little weird at first, but I hate to admit I enjoyed them both especially the 2nd episode.
The battle with the Cylons prior to the "jump" was amazing.
Good technical look to the show, and some interesting set ups.
Am I the only one who thinks the character set up and the gender switches makes it play more like a prequel than a sequel 40 years later?
Doesn't that Baltar character play like the younger version of that great actor John Colicos's Baltar?
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Andersjt From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 869 times:
After seeing the conclusion last night, I will admit enjoying the series. I am impressed at its sophistication.
As far as the Cylons' motive - just plain simple hate for humans. Again, a parallel to 9/11, where the motive was just hate. What I am intrigued by, and if the series continues, was the Cylon reference to God (or I guess I should just say "god", we don't know which god they are talking about). The Humans pray to and worship the "Lords of Cobal (sp?)," and the twelve colonies were formed as the twelve tribes (parallel to the the twelve tribes of Israel) left the planet Cobal. The Cylons are a human creation that worship "god." This means there was a human, or humans involved in the building and programming of the Cylons that did not hold to the majority belief behind the Lords of Cobal. If you wanted to really start drawing parallels, a heated discussion could be had that this may, and please take this as a purely objective observation and don't slam me, that the parallel to 9/11 and current day is Muslim (Cylon) hatred for Jews and Christians?
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AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 847 times:
Andersjt, I'm not slamming you but you should've said "Muslim extremists". Islam is fundamentally a pacifist faith (I've a good friend who's Pakistani). The vast majority of Muslims don't hate those of other religions. Unfortunately, the militant fundamentalists are the ones who get all the bad press and have managed to tarnish perceptions of the entire faith. Very sad. However, I think your analysis of the Galactica mythos is quite good. I'm also glad that some DO like it. As I said, I'm mostly okay with it aside from a largely (to me) disappointing cast. I've one more observation on the old series. One of the great mysteries fans had to ponder after it was cancelled was the fate of the second Battlestar Pegasus under 'legendary' Commander Kane (the late, Lloyd Bridges) at the end of the 2-part episode, "The Living Legend". Leaving his daughter Sheba (Anne Lockhart) and others of his crew on the Galactica, Kane boldly went into battle with 2 Cylon Basestars. IN the ensuing series of massive explosions which destroyed the Basestars, the Pegasus disappeared. In a later episode, when the Galactica encountered a mysterious, self-proclaimed 'saviour' named Count Ibli (British actor Patrick Macnee, best known and much loved, of course, as the debonair sleuth John Steed in the long-running British TV series, "The Avengers"), Apollo, Starbuck and Sheba pursue him to a lost planet after events show he's not who he says he is. Upon landing they find an enormous crashed spaceship, which Apollo notes was "as big as a Battlestar". Upon looking inside the wreckage, he pushes Sheba away, saying "you don't want to see what's inside". I and many other fans took this to mean it was the wreck of the Pegasus, which must have also encountered the evil Count Ibli who led them to their destruction as he intended to do to the Galactica. Ibli then appeared, killed Apollo and was shot by an enraged, grief-stricken Starbuck. Ibli, being not human, was unharmed but was revealed to be actually a Satanic looking alien (in fact the alternate names he referred to himself-like Diaboles-when finally tipping his identity to Adama, made us think he WAS really the Devil. Ibli vanished and Apollo was later revived by angelic looking aliens (or really Angels?) traveling in fast crystalline lightships. At the end of this episode, Apollo, Starbuck and Sheba realized that the direction coordinates to the lost colony of Earth had been ingrained in their memories by the angelic aliens but the mystery surrounding the Pegasus remained. However, later at the aforementioned Space:1999 convention, Herb (Boomer) Jefferson Jr. dispelled our Pegasus theory by saying that the crashed ship was actually that of Ibli's own pig-faced kind and what Apollo saw in the wreck was actually one of the satanic aliens lying dead, not one of the Pegasus crew. He added that a proposed storyline for the aborted 2nd season would've had the Pegasus and Commander Kane returning. Anne (Sheba) Lockhart had no comment on this, partly I think because she'd been downing cocktails most of the night (BOY, could she drink!) . Just a final tidbit for any Galactica die-hards out there!
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 836 times:
Well, I guess I am in the minority on this as I absolutely loved the mini-series and I hope similar projects by Mr Ieke (sp?) are in the offing. I thoroughly enjoyed the dark feel of this version. I got sort of a Babylon 5 (my personal favorite to date) feel from this mini-series. Unlike the original series, I could actually related to some of these characters. I really picked up on how Earth like Caprica was portrayed, say some 75-100 years hence. I was surprised to see that many of the characters were wearing contemporary clothing and save the high tech modes of transportation, how real this series felt.
As for comparisons to the original, well, there is no comparison. BSG the mini-series, kicked the originals a**. Frankly when I was in High School and BSG had just begun to air, I was more concerned with dating (after all it was my Senior year) than sitting home watching TV. However being sold on the hype from ABC as well as Time magazine's dubbing BSG as the "Son of Star Wars", well I had to stay home at least one night (what was it, Thursday night?) and catch this amazing new series. Well, after that month of viewing BSG's weak plots, poor acting and horrible F/X (even for the late 70s the visual effects were weak) I soon perused other interests, namely the opposite sex. A few years later I managed to catch an BSG marathon (pre SciFi days) and I found the original series to be a campy embarrassment and rightly deserved to be booted from ABC's lineup. Frankly Larson and Bellasario need to leave Science Fiction to the likes of the late great Roddenbery, and others and stick with cheesy cop shows like Magnum P.I. that they do well.
UALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 830 times:
Ah but Larson and Bellasario are responsible for another scifi classic Quantum Leap.
I agree I like this New BSG. But I have a problem with mini series for a two part TV movie. Come on. A series isn't two, its several. And the cliffhanger ending, don't just leave us. Tell us its a pilot, we can forgive some shakiness for a pilot, (remember TNG Encounter at Farpoint, My god its unwatchable) and get on with the rest of the series. Or if its a one time event finish it. Make the mini series a 6 part miniseries and get them to Earth. At least finish a storyline.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 823 times:
You're right about Quantum Leap, I forgot that L&B produced this series. While not huge fan of that particular series and the fact that my job at the time kept me on the road, I never got see the entire series, still it was a decent program.
I do agree to some extent to some of the complaints about the cliffhanger nature the mini-series. Like many, I was expecting at least a 4 parter and the fact that it was only a 2 part program. Well pissed me off just a bit. I defineltly left me wanting more, which was probably their intent. Frankly I am very interested in the evolution of the Cylons and their conflict with the colonists and if there are to be additional programs, I would hope that Ieke would dive deeper into the history and background of these machines.
Hey maybe Berman (Star Trek) and Ieke can get together and devise a plot where the Galactia and the Enterprise, I don't know.....bump into each other . Hell they're are doing it with "Alien and the Predator" (I forget the actual title) sometime next year with a theatrical release.