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Fighting- what makes a person a good fighter?  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

In a recent debate between an a.net member and I, one of them proudly stated that "since I work out, I could kick the ass of anyone who didn't." (or something stupid to that effect) In my opinion, this is the dumbest statement since BigPhilNYC claiming he wasn't totally obsessed with shafts. In a normal street or bar fight, strength factors into basically nothing at all. Not only that, but too much in terms of muscles limits your range of motion and the actual speed of the punch. The only advantage to being "in shape" in an actual fight is not having a beer gut to get hit. In most cases, its not like the WWF where you have the chance to pick someone up and throw them somewhere. The only things that matter in one of these fights are:
-technique: can you throw a punch without leaving yourself completely open for a counterpunch?
-toughness: if you get hit and it hurts and/or bleeds, do you go down faster than AA61hvy playing hide the sausage with KROC, or does getting hit just make you more pissed off and make you want to fight harder?
-size: obviously someone who is 6'3" is going to have a reach advantage over someone who is 5'8".
-level of intoxication: is the guy feeling no pain because of his nine beers? Or is his 15 beers making him just one giant sloppy mess?

In my opinion, unless you are a genuine fat fuck, endurance doesn't often come into play. Fights usually end as quickly as they begin, and you're usually not going to see two guys standing in throwing on each other for more than a minute. Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to go start a fight with a professional body builder, but I wouldn't be afraid of someone who was near my size and claimed to lift weights. Hell, I don't even want to start fights, period. Fighting isn't fun at all.

Just my thoughts on the whole thing, and yes, I have been involved in a couple of these drunken fights since I've been at college. Luckily, I've been able to stay out of the center though. The bottom line is, body builders, quit thinking you're tough shit, when in fact, a lot more comes into play then the fact that "I can bench 350 lbs."


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Jcs17:
All I can say is watch your back, just watch your back.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

JCS17..GIMME YOUR LUNCH MONEY AND YOU WON'T GET HURT.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Jcs - you might be faster and smaller... but if BigPhil gets one good punch on you, you better believe that you're going down... hard.


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

I somewhat agree with Jcs17. Muscles is not the most important thing, but if someone has the self-discipline to go to the gym for more then 20hours a week then I admire them. Deep down, we all wish we can have muscles like BigNYC's, but mabye not to that extent (I've got to admit, he is crazy, lol).

In a fight i'd rather be more agile then muscular. I bet that a black-belt karate "person" would have an advantage over a 350lb bench-pressing guy.





[Edited 2003-12-12 06:44:42]

User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

One of the best (and most feared by repeat patrons of this establishment) club bouncers I ever knew, was a small 5 foot nothing, 110 pound girl that used to work at a strip club in North Miami Beach called Showgirls. I watched her take out muscle-bound 6+ footers with ease. Most of the time, it was pure entertainment to watch some muscle-bound, inebriated 6'4, 350 pounds idiot, try and take a swing on this waif-like woman. She would flatten them so quickly they would be crying for mommy in a heartbeat!

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5807 times:

If that was a 5 foot something guy.........

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

You know it is amazing how quick and nimble some of those little people can be.


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

I can kick every one of your asses!!!  Wink/being sarcastic  Wink/being sarcastic  Wink/being sarcastic

Actually one of my favorite things to do when confronted by a drunk person taking a swing is to push them away with a palm to their forehead, since I am 6'7" and wear a 38" sleeve, my arms are always much longer. I had one guy continue to flail over and over again while I tried to stop myself from giggling, all the while with my my left palm on his forehead and arm fully extended.

Although, this hasn't happened in many years as I am 33 now and my days of rowdy college bars are 10+ years behind me.



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

Jcs17, if the small guy can avoid the clutching and wrestling that usually happens after a punch or two is thrown, then his size may not matter. He needs to 'box' and avoid getting tackled and beat the hell out of. But I've never seen a bar fight where this happens; especially when drunks are involved. It always starts out with these giant windmill punches that miss badly followed by the two getting into a heap with the big guy having the advantage.


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5779 times:

Lets state the real reason why this came up.....

In a recent thread where we were ALL joking around, BigPhil made a comment about punching Jcs in the face. It was total tongue in cheek, and was not serious by any means. Of course Jokster Number 1 Jcs decided now to take offense and cry about it, even going as far as telling BigPhil he would tear him up in a real fight. Now I never saw BigPhil claim to be Mike Tyson in a fight, or even say because he lifts, he is a good fighter. But to tell someone you have never met, you will 'tear them up' over the internet is Bush. We all know there is a difference between fighting abilities and lifting abilities. Butterbean (ugh) didn't make his name cause he can bench 500 pounds.


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5754 times:

Hey Josh, want me to prove that people who work out can fight?  Big grin


Go big or go home
User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

Figting abilities certainly are a combination of 3 important things :
- fighting experience: that could go from karate over boxing to street fighting,
- weight: much more impact of your punches and kicks,
- speed: the faster you kick or punch, the more impact you get and secondly, your opponent will be too late in when trying to block







Regards, SN-A330



I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5734 times:

the best fighter is the one who knows that not fighting is winning a fight.


10=2
User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

@Zak: that's true, but most of the time, the other guy of girl is not that smart.

Regards, SN-A330



I would rather be flying...
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5578 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

In a normal street or bar fight, strength factors into basically nothing at all. Not only that, but too much in terms of muscles limits your range of motion and the actual speed of the punch.

The first assertion is questionable; strength may not be the only thing, but it's very important. We've all heard stories about skinny little men who easily flatten muscleheads weighing 100 pounds more, but then again we've all heard lots of stories about lots of things. One characteristic shared by almost all combat athletes - boxes, college wrestlers, martial artists - is that they are strong for their size.
As for the second assertion, that too many muscles limit one's range of motion and speed - in other words, the old "musclebound" theory - suffice to say that the concept dates back to the 1930's (or thereabouts) and a company that sold exercise plans by mail order. Selling weights by mail order was obviously impractical, so this company tried to carve out a niche for itself by claiming that weight training would make one hopelessly musclebound, therefore it was better to use this company's exercise program. And that's it.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5716 times:

The good news is that nowhere in forum rules is Keep hands, feet, and other objects to yourself mentioned. If there is a fight please have someone take pictures.

Since SN-A330 demands a source for things that are obvious and considered common sense.
Source: Airlines.net rules


User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5710 times:

@ Startvalve: what are you talking about : Since SN-A330 demands a source for things that are obvious and considered common sense.
Source: Airlines.net rules



I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineBOEING747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

I work out everyday too, but I have yet to fight anyone because I believe in talking someone down with my words rather then my fists. Don't get me wrong, if someone attacks me I am going to defend my self. I am not one to start a fight, its not worth my time and potentially my career to fight someone physically even though I have the strength advantage on them.

User currently offlineKolobokman From Russia, joined Oct 2000, 1180 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5629 times:

http://www.system-chicago.com/
Click movies and check out the short videos, on the bottom of the movie page.

I doesn't matter how many pounds you bench, you will get you ass kicked if you piss Vasiliy off )))



I can neither confirm, nor deny above post
User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5617 times:

"We all know there is a difference between fighting abilities and lifting abilities."

Case in point: I work out all the time, but I couldn't take any of you in a fight. I don't think I've ever actually thrown a punch!

-Normal


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5578 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5593 times:

http://www.system-chicago.com/
Click movies and check out the short videos, on the bottom of the movie page.
I doesn't matter how many pounds you bench, you will get you ass kicked if you piss Vasiliy off )))


Actually they sort of bear out my point concerning the importance of strength; Vasiliy almost certainly is very strong.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

>>>In a normal street or bar fight

Huh? A NORMAL flight? How can any fight be normal? I go to bars (and streets, for that matter  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ) rather often, and I´ve never witnessed or even taken part in a fight.

I´ve seen my share of bar fights, or the aftermath thereof, in the court room. It´s not very nice, you´re an otherwise normal guy and -presto- you got a criminal record and no chance to pursue a career in the public sector.

Oh well...

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Muscles limit your range and the speed of punches? Awesome! Come on Shaq, let's go!

Signed,
Shawn Bradley and Manute Bol



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

Muscles CAN limit you if you are overly bulky. It's been known to mess up hockey and baseball players, sports where strength and finesse go hand in hand.


Phil Derner Jr.
25 PROSA : Muscles CAN limit you if you are overly bulky. It's been known to mess up hockey and baseball players, sports where strength and finesse go hand in ha
26 Mirrodie : I am very scared. Someone on this globe called me a nasty fuckwit and I think wants to kick my ass. I am so very scared... what is a fuckwit?
27 Bigphilnyc : No, more common than you think PROSA. A buddy of mine, no steroids or anyhting, was working out and jsut got to a size that it limited his hockey play
28 Sovietjet : I'm skinny, not strong and 5' 10" I've gotten into fights(outside of school of course) with people quite bigger than me. I don't work out at all..I wa
29 Post contains images Avt007 : You guys crack me up! I haven't seen anything so silly since the "My Dad can beat up your Dad" days of elementary school. Step away from the keyboard,
30 Aa61hvy : AVT- its the flagpole at recess
31 Usairwys757 : http://lucky.phpwebhosting.com/~chkelly/files/hodgepunch.wmv Footage of Jcs in a fight...Whiff.[Edited 2003-12-16 22:51:00]
32 Boeing nut : Fighting- what makes a person a good fighter? One that can win the fight without throwing a single punch.
33 Post contains links FSPilot747 : Hey JCS17, there is a thread about you in Civil_av, something about you being banned from planes...? http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_avia
34 Startvalve : OK you all keep punching and kicking.. I'll keep my gun, lets see who will win the fight
35 Aa61hvy : Cowards use guns... Figures why you would use one.
36 Startvalve : you are just pissed that it can beat any punch or kick
37 Aa61hvy : No, I just think its stupid when someone pulls a gun out in a situation that really isn't life threatening. I mean if there is a psycho coming after y
38 Startvalve : I don't fight over girls.. I have yet to date anyone that I am going to get into a fight over. I avoid those idiotic non life threatening situations.
39 Aa61hvy : That was just an example, because they are common fights.
40 Startvalve : I honestly can't remember the last time i was in a fight.. and in all honesty i never have the gun with me.. i would just kick the other guy in the na
41 SSTjumbo : Ask yourself this also: Who is the guy who fights for honor, and who is the guy who fights to win? The latter will win every time, guaranteed. I've ne
42 Sovietjet : -i would just kick the other guy in the nads and run pussy fighting... fight like a man not a girl
43 KROC : I don't fight over girls.. I have yet to date anyone that I am going to get into a fight over. I avoid those idiotic non life threatening situations.
44 Aa61hvy : The only time I have been in fights has been during my rugby games, because the guy is cheap shotting me, so I will take him out unecessarily.
45 Startvalve : You have never been able to accept that I am straight and have a girlfriend since I turned down your advances in the mens room at the airport KROC. Ca
46 Post contains images Bigphilnyc : You know, I have to be honest. When it comes to a real fight, kicking in the nuts is legal to me. A fight only becomes "cheap" if someone's buddies ju
47 Startvalve : I knew there was some likeable quality about you phil.. mine is an HK USP .45
48 KROC : Hey Phil, I surrender. Signed, JCFrench17 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Startvalve: You have never been able to accept that I am straight and have a girlfrie
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