Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 41 Posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5306 times:
In a recent debate between an a.net member and I, one of them proudly stated that "since I work out, I could kick the ass of anyone who didn't." (or something stupid to that effect) In my opinion, this is the dumbest statement since BigPhilNYC claiming he wasn't totally obsessed with shafts. In a normal street or bar fight, strength factors into basically nothing at all. Not only that, but too much in terms of muscles limits your range of motion and the actual speed of the punch. The only advantage to being "in shape" in an actual fight is not having a beer gut to get hit. In most cases, its not like the WWF where you have the chance to pick someone up and throw them somewhere. The only things that matter in one of these fights are:
-technique: can you throw a punch without leaving yourself completely open for a counterpunch?
-toughness: if you get hit and it hurts and/or bleeds, do you go down faster than AA61hvy playing hide the sausage with KROC, or does getting hit just make you more pissed off and make you want to fight harder?
-size: obviously someone who is 6'3" is going to have a reach advantage over someone who is 5'8".
-level of intoxication: is the guy feeling no pain because of his nine beers? Or is his 15 beers making him just one giant sloppy mess?
In my opinion, unless you are a genuine fat fuck, endurance doesn't often come into play. Fights usually end as quickly as they begin, and you're usually not going to see two guys standing in throwing on each other for more than a minute. Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to go start a fight with a professional body builder, but I wouldn't be afraid of someone who was near my size and claimed to lift weights. Hell, I don't even want to start fights, period. Fighting isn't fun at all.
Just my thoughts on the whole thing, and yes, I have been involved in a couple of these drunken fights since I've been at college. Luckily, I've been able to stay out of the center though. The bottom line is, body builders, quit thinking you're tough shit, when in fact, a lot more comes into play then the fact that "I can bench 350 lbs."
Jutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5260 times:
I somewhat agree with Jcs17. Muscles is not the most important thing, but if someone has the self-discipline to go to the gym for more then 20hours a week then I admire them. Deep down, we all wish we can have muscles like BigNYC's, but mabye not to that extent (I've got to admit, he is crazy, lol).
In a fight i'd rather be more agile then muscular. I bet that a black-belt karate "person" would have an advantage over a 350lb bench-pressing guy.
MxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 37 Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5254 times:
One of the best (and most feared by repeat patrons of this establishment) club bouncers I ever knew, was a small 5 foot nothing, 110 pound girl that used to work at a strip club in North Miami Beach called Showgirls. I watched her take out muscle-bound 6+ footers with ease. Most of the time, it was pure entertainment to watch some muscle-bound, inebriated 6'4, 350 pounds idiot, try and take a swing on this waif-like woman. She would flatten them so quickly they would be crying for mommy in a heartbeat!
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.
DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2981 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
I can kick every one of your asses!!!
Actually one of my favorite things to do when confronted by a drunk person taking a swing is to push them away with a palm to their forehead, since I am 6'7" and wear a 38" sleeve, my arms are always much longer. I had one guy continue to flail over and over again while I tried to stop myself from giggling, all the while with my my left palm on his forehead and arm fully extended.
Although, this hasn't happened in many years as I am 33 now and my days of rowdy college bars are 10+ years behind me.
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5220 times:
Jcs17, if the small guy can avoid the clutching and wrestling that usually happens after a punch or two is thrown, then his size may not matter. He needs to 'box' and avoid getting tackled and beat the hell out of. But I've never seen a bar fight where this happens; especially when drunks are involved. It always starts out with these giant windmill punches that miss badly followed by the two getting into a heap with the big guy having the advantage.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5213 times:
Lets state the real reason why this came up.....
In a recent thread where we were ALL joking around, BigPhil made a comment about punching Jcs in the face. It was total tongue in cheek, and was not serious by any means. Of course Jokster Number 1 Jcs decided now to take offense and cry about it, even going as far as telling BigPhil he would tear him up in a real fight. Now I never saw BigPhil claim to be Mike Tyson in a fight, or even say because he lifts, he is a good fighter. But to tell someone you have never met, you will 'tear them up' over the internet is Bush. We all know there is a difference between fighting abilities and lifting abilities. Butterbean (ugh) didn't make his name cause he can bench 500 pounds.
SN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5185 times:
Figting abilities certainly are a combination of 3 important things :
- fighting experience: that could go from karate over boxing to street fighting,
- weight: much more impact of your punches and kicks,
- speed: the faster you kick or punch, the more impact you get and secondly, your opponent will be too late in when trying to block
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5520 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5162 times:
In a normal street or bar fight, strength factors into basically nothing at all. Not only that, but too much in terms of muscles limits your range of motion and the actual speed of the punch.
The first assertion is questionable; strength may not be the only thing, but it's very important. We've all heard stories about skinny little men who easily flatten muscleheads weighing 100 pounds more, but then again we've all heard lots of stories about lots of things. One characteristic shared by almost all combat athletes - boxes, college wrestlers, martial artists - is that they are strong for their size.
As for the second assertion, that too many muscles limit one's range of motion and speed - in other words, the old "musclebound" theory - suffice to say that the concept dates back to the 1930's (or thereabouts) and a company that sold exercise plans by mail order. Selling weights by mail order was obviously impractical, so this company tried to carve out a niche for itself by claiming that weight training would make one hopelessly musclebound, therefore it was better to use this company's exercise program. And that's it.
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
BOEING747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 5100 times:
I work out everyday too, but I have yet to fight anyone because I believe in talking someone down with my words rather then my fists. Don't get me wrong, if someone attacks me I am going to defend my self. I am not one to start a fight, its not worth my time and potentially my career to fight someone physically even though I have the strength advantage on them.
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5520 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5027 times:
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I doesn't matter how many pounds you bench, you will get you ass kicked if you piss Vasiliy off )))
Actually they sort of bear out my point concerning the importance of strength; Vasiliy almost certainly is very strong.
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 36 Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4928 times:
>>>In a normal street or bar fight
Huh? A NORMAL flight? How can any fight be normal? I go to bars (and streets, for that matter ) rather often, and I´ve never witnessed or even taken part in a fight.
I´ve seen my share of bar fights, or the aftermath thereof, in the court room. It´s not very nice, you´re an otherwise normal guy and -presto- you got a criminal record and no chance to pursue a career in the public sector.