Aa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3345 posts, RR: 8 Posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 791 times:
Ok, I have had this question for a long time now. For people living in an Asian country that has its own alphabet, how do you time. I know in Japanese, there are far more symbols than our 26 letters. How massive is your keyboard?
Thanks in advance for answering my sophomoric question,
Avt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 781 times:
Sorry to wander slightly off topic, but i`ve used combined Arabic/English keyboards, and it's a pain. I also noticed a difference between keyboards in Canada, and those in the UK. Some of the keys were in different places.
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 737 times:
Russian keyboard (ordinary keyboard letter in that place and Russian letter with it's resemblance in brackets, either a latin letter or symbols resembling it):
` - "YO (E: )"
Q - "Ikratkaya ( |/| )"
W - "Ts ( |_|, )"
E - "U (Y)"
R - "K (K)"
T - "Ye (E)"
Y - "N (H)"
U - "G ( |^ ) "
I - "Sh ( |_|_| )
O - "Shch ( |_|_|, )
P - "Z (3)"
[ - "Kh (X)"
] - "Tviordyznak ( 'b )"
A - "F ( (|) )"
S - "Y ( bI )
D - "V ( B )"
F - "A (A)"
G - "P ( |^| )"
H - "R ( P )"
J - "O (O)"
K - "L ( /^| )"
L - "D ( ,/^|, )"
; - "Zh ( >|< )"
' - "E abarotnaya ( -) )
Z - "Ja (backwards R)"
X - "Ch ( 4 )"
C - "S (C)"
V - "M (M)"
B - "I ( |/| )"
N - "T (T)"
M - "mechkiznak (b) "
, - "B (6)"
. - "Yu ( |-0 )"
Symbols which are omitted in the name of more letters appears like this:
point and comma - instead of ? and /
instead of and |
The folloing symbols coms if pressing some shift plus some number:
1 - !
2 - "
3 - Russian sign for #
4 - ;
5 - %
6 - :
7 - ?
8 - *
9 - (
0 - )
Pacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2699 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 725 times:
No they don't !
The keyboard is essentially the same - but with Hiragana (one of the Japanese syllyabries) alongside the roman letters - but the word processing software is different.
The most common programme is called Ichitaro (up to version 18 now I think) and the user types in the words using roman letters and when enough script is on the screen a drop down menu automatically comes up with all the different kanji the words typed may represent (with the most common hi-lited) and the user either 'enters' to insert the highlighted one or scrolls down and selects another.
Quite simple really but many Japanese believe such devices are "killing" the language.
Shawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2589 posts, RR: 18 Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 691 times:
Pacificjourney, could you send a picture of these keyboards? I didnt think they had hiragana on them..
What he said is exactly right, and anyone with any kind of PC running Windows can install the Microsoft Japanese IME (input method editor) that will allow you to use your keyboard to do the exact thing that Pacificjourney said.
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 688 times:
Also, I believe in Korea (Korean alphabet is alphabetical but letters joined into syllabes and also there are some Chinese hierogliphs (in South Korea only)) they uses some kind of keyboard which is similar as an ordinary one, but the symbol written changes depending on the number of times you pressed a button (so, there ar several symbols coded on each button). It's something like on cell phone when writting SMS.
I am not sure if this is true (could anyone confirm?), but I've seen it like that in some Korean movie.
Pacificjourney, couldn't they do bigger keyboards in Japan? Ussually keyboard standart is the same all over the world, but Japan is I believe big enough market to make such keyboards for.
Pacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2699 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 680 times:
I am certain the keyboards are the same size and nothing to get excited about really.
Perhaps some extra function keys along the bottom to switch between various alphabets and the hirigana are also on the number and punctuation keys but that's it !
No Shawn Patrick I can't send a picture, firstly there is nothing to see, secondly mine is filthy and my wife would die of shame and thirdly I also have cyrillic written in by hand on mine so it's a real mess ... sorry. All the keyboards I have seen in Japan have hirigana on them and the software can input either in hirigana or roman letters but for some reason most people use the latter.
Perhaps what you are refering to as being so large are Japanese language type writers. They are really something to see and quite indescriable. The amazing thing about them is how small they are considering how much they do.
Avt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 670 times:
I just about pulled my remaining hair out trying to use an Arabic version of windows to edit an English document. The formatting was unusual to begin with, but the Word program kept trying to format everything for right-to-left reading! Computers are marvelous things, but sometimes I think a typewriter (remember those?) might be quicker!
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 655 times:
Pacificjourney, I believe this is just a portion of keyboard...
Also, Japanese are probably using latin alphabet since the original one isn't exacly good to write the language in. By the way, how are the hierogliphs which are taken directly from Chinese written (meaning words instead of syllabes or letters)? Or is it impossible to write these with computer?
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 648 times:
I believe it is taken from laptop keyboard, thus it is narrower (there is no numbpad at right also).
And how about the second syllabary Japanese uses? Is it not written or probably appears when pressing Shift + some syllabe?