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Greatest NFL Player Ever?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6380 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

When you think of the other pro team sports, one player is somewhat known as the greatest.

Michael Jordan-NBA
Wayne Gretsky-NHL
Babe Ruth-MLB

But no one player seems to stand out in the history of the NFL. Why is this?


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Jim Brown. He rushed for over 12,000 yards in 9 season, all of 12 and 14 game schedules; he was a Jamal Lewis-type back, with speed and power, only faster and bigger, 40 years before Lewis; he had a combinatioin of speed and size that hasn't been equaled since. He let his ego get in the way of playing for 15 years, and he didn't have 16 game seasons against watered-down competition. His numbers would have been staggering had he played longer, and in longer seasons. I've watched film of every runner I can think of, and, to this day, I think Browns was the not only the best RB, but the best football player I've ever watched.

User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

I would add another vote for Jim Brown of the good old (very old) Browns.


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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Boy, that's a tough one. I agree with the pick for Jim Brown. But pound for pound, I have to say Barry Sanders is up there as well. There is more to the game than number totals. (most yards, TD's, etc) The things I saw Barry do was mind boggling.

User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

I'm going with Dieon Sanders he could do it all, I recall he played QB for a few snaps a while back, he is amazing...

BTW: I think Bonds is better than Ruth... IMHO



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1537 times:

Dieon Sanders. ROTFLMAO!!! He wouldn't even crack the top 100 all time. He was so over-rated that it wasn't funny. He was decent at coverage; a great kick returner, but he was afraid of contact, and therefore gave up as many big plays as he stopped.

Dieon Sanders.  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1536 times:

He was so versatile Alpha, no one in the league right now can do what he did, except for Mike Vick, that's why I think he was one of the top guys.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1534 times:

He was versatile, but one of the best EVER? ROTFLMAO. Like I said, I doubt he makes the Top 100 players of all time. Being just above average at some of the stuff you're versatile at doesn't qualify one as being the greatest player ever.

 Laugh out loud And I don't mean to laugh at you, per se, but I can probably find, off the top of my head, 100 players better than Neon Dieon.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1524 times:

In fact, I'll name you 100 right now, that are better Deion (in no real particular order, just as they pop into my mind).

1. Jim Brown 2. Otto Graham 3. Marion Motley 4. Leroy Kelly 5. Dick Butkus 6. Ray Nitczhke 7. Forrest Gregg 8. Bart Starr 9. Paul Horning 10. Bob Lilly 11. Roger Staubach 12. Joe Montana 13. Chuck Bednarik 14. Sammy Baugh 15. Joe Nameth 16. John Henry Johnson 17. Sam Huff 18. Frank Gifford 19. Johnny Unitas 20. John Mackey 21. Ozzie Newsom 22. Kellen Winslow 23. Dan Fouts 24. Terry Bradshaw 25. Joe Green 26. Jack Lambert 27. Mel Blount 28. Mike Webster 29. Franco Harris 30. L.C. Greenwood 31. Lynn Swann 32. John Stallworth 33. Ray Lewis 34. Lawrence Taylor 35. Mike Singeltary 36. Jerry Rice 37. Lance Alworth 38. Fred Belitnikoff 39. Lou Groza 40. George Blanda 41. Deacon Jones 42. Merlin Olson 43. Alan Page 44. Anthony Munoz 45. Dwight Stephenson 46. Paul Warfield 47. Larry Csonka 48. Barry Sanders 49. Gayle Sayers 50. Earl Campbell 51. Dan Fouts 52. Night Train Lane 53. Gino Marchetti 54. Eric Dickerson 55. Issac Bruce 56. Randy White 57. Tony Dorsett 58. Dan Marino 59. Emmit Smith 60. Jim Kelly 61. Charlie Joyner 62. Ronnie Lott 63. OJ Simpson 64. Rod Woodson 65. Brett Favre 2. Larry Wilson 66. Fran Tarkenton 67. Don Hutson 68. Marshall Faulke 69. Bronco Nagurski 70. Sid Luckman. 71. Raymond Berry 72. Jack Ham 73. Troy Aikman 74. Steve Largent 75. John Hannah 76. Mike Haynes 77. Elroy Hirsch

Ok, I've been thinking for this for 20 minutes, and that's the list I can come up with so far. Anyone else is welcome to add to it.  Smile


User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

LT needs to be higher, see my D thread.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Like I said, AA61hvy, I put them in no particular order. LT is probably a Top 10.

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Joe Montana, the only player whose name I can remember, and he seemed like a nice guy, but then who really care for American football  Big grin Big grin


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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Deion the greatest player ever??? Set the crack pipe down, and back away slowly. Now I have seen everything.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Alpha1,

What the hell are you smoking?

You have Frank Gifford listed above Johnny Unitas! Chuck Bednarik not only knocked Gifford out of football for a year, but a hell of a lot farther down that list.

You also neglected to list Walter Payton.

Can you please bump one of the overreated players off the list for Sweetness

Aikman would be the prime canidate.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Easy Seagull fan. Alpha 1 said he was listing players better than Deion off the top of his head. Nobody is going to get everyone the first time.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Hell, didn't see that.

If that was the criteria, you could even put Brian Bosworth on that list  Laugh out loud



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Bob Greasie-Alpha1, you forgot the quarterback of the perfect team/season?  Wow!


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Griese doesn't go on for one season. He was a good QB, not an overly great one. And I thought I had put Walter Payton on there. Sorry.

User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Joe Montana.


Best Quarterback EVER




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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Montana was great, but no way the best..
--
Alpha- I may have missed them in your list, how about: Michael Irvin and Steve Young?



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Alpha 1,

I'm glad to see that you have Tony Dorsett on your list (at #58.) He was always my favorite player back in the 1980's.

Nobody could run with the football better than him  Big thumbs up .... in my opinion.


Chris  Smile



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User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

Alpha 1 --

Somehow, someway your 100 players better than Deion list has got to include --

Yelberton Abraham (Y.A.) Tittle



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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

kurt vollers, dallas cowboys  Smile


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

My choice would have to go to Dan Marino, here's some of the records he holds:

Most Career Passing Attempts: 8,358
Most Career Completions: 4,967
Most Career Passing Yards: 61,361
Most Career Touchdown Passes: 420
Most Passing Yards, Season: 5,084
Most 400-yard passing games, career: 13
Most 300-yard passing games, career: 63
Most Touchdown Passes, season: 48, 44
Most games, four or more touchdown passes, career: 21

etc. etc., the list goes on and on. If you want to see these records, go here:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/graphics/marino/athlete/nflrecords.htm

In my book, the greatest quarterback to play the game.




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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Tbar220,

^5 on Marino. I am a die hard Dolphins fan, but I have to be a bit of a traitor. I think Marino is a very, very strong number 2 on the quarterback list. If Montana hadn't had those famous "drives" I would overwhelmingly agree. But I have to tip my cap to Montana.

Alpha 1,

What were you smokin' when you made that list? I want some of that shit man!


25 Post contains links Tbar220 : Joe Montana is amazing, he is one of the best all time Super Bowl performers the league has seen. Some of the records he holds: (note, these are all s
26 Tbar220 : Let's not forget that Joe Montana never lost a Super Bowl in which he played, winning an amazing four in his career, earning three MVP's at the same t
27 KROC : You all are missing the boat. The Greatest NFL Player was Chad Thomas. Unbelievable skills this guy had. It's too bad that he had bad knees (must be a
28 Tbar220 : Chad Thomas? Never heard of him
29 Alpha 1 : You want someone's name for nominee of Greatest Quarterback? Try Otto Graham. You tell me another Quarterback that played 10 years, started 10 years,
30 Post contains links Alpha 1 : Amazing, just a day or so after I posted the above, Otto Graham passes away. He died of basically the same thing that killed John Ritter. http://espn.
31 CLEfan : Otto was the greatest ever, without a doubt in my mind. He won many games, and he won his division every year for 10 years. I don't think anyone else
32 Post contains images Vaporlock : P.S.............He was always famous for his "NO TEETH" shots!  [Edited 2003-12-19 01:41:55]
33 Alpha 1 : Not only did he go to 10 Title games; not only did he win 7. He NEVER missed a game in 10 years, and his all-time record as a starting quarterback for
34 Delta767300ER : I would say Joe Montana and this is coming from a Cowboys fan. -Delta767300ER
35 Post contains images KROC : I love Cleveland Honk voting a Brown the top player ever.
36 Post contains images Alpha 1 : If you're talking about Jim Brown, KROC, it's just the luck of the draw he's for the Browns. I honestly think that vote would be the same no matter wh
37 Post contains images KROC : Jim Brown was in that movie too?
38 L-188 : Yeah, but he still wasn't able to outrun that German Machine gun team.
39 Post contains images Alpha 1 : He was in the credits, KROC, so I guess he was.
40 Post contains images L-188 : Yeah, don't you remember he kills Kojak. "Who loves you baby" Apparently not Jim Brown
41 Hamfist : Ahhh...if only Bo Jackson's hip had not been injured. I'll spare you my long lament for his short career, but his combination of size, speed, quicknes
42 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I agree with you, Hamfist. He was an incredible talent. But as my dad alwasy said about "if": if the dog hadn't stopped to take a crap, he'd have caug
43 KROC : Well, luccky for Jimmy B, he was a better football player than he is an actor.
44 Silverfox : It would be better to put down the best in each position,eg Theisman was a good QB but could he tackle.like L Taylor, and could Taylor catch like Jerr
45 Post contains images BMAbound : I have watched one NFL game ever, and then there was a guy introducing himself as (sorry if I'm wrong) Jefferson Lincoln. And he was from Washington..
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