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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

I heard this on Yahoo News: Don't have an almanac with you

Now I don't know about this. I thought taking pics of planes and trains were bad. Now we can be arrested if we a carrying a book?

Wasn't there a movie based on this theology?



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
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User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Did you even read the article?

You can't be arrested for carrying a book... it can serve as one of several pieces of evidence against you, primarily if someone already appears involved in suspicious activities. Essentially, you need to attract attention by doing something with possible ill intentions before the book even comes into play....



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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

I was taking pics of trains and planes today. If I had a book about trains or planes with me, the book can be used against me even though I did nothing wrong?

Do I not have the right to carry a book if it has to my hobby?

And notice that the author said "carrying an almanac".



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

I can just imagine the paranoia I'm gonna set off in a few weeks when I'm off to Heathrow...

Not only will I be carrying all my pilot supplies including headsets, transceivers, and GPS along with some flight manuals to read on the flight, but my traveling partner is Muslim.

God help me.  Sad


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3827 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

For local law enforcement, it's just to help give them one more piece of information to raise their suspicions," said David Heyman, a terrorism expert for the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.

And by announcing it to the world it gives warning to the terrorists not to carry an almanac with them. Just because President Bush doesn't read the newspapers doesn't mean the terrorists don't.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Just because President Bush doesn't read the newspapers doesn't mean the terrorists don't.
*******

Trust you to drag Bush into this, it isn't his fault that he doesn't know how to read...

Jeremy


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3827 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Now THAT was funny artsyman.  Smile Seriously, though, if the information is to help law enforcement why announce it? Shortly after 9/11 when they announced you'd get a more thorough search if you bought a one way ticket and paid cash for it, I thought that was stupid, too. Why report specific details like this? Seems like it only provides information to the terrorists that they can use to avoid appearing suspicious.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

The Associated Press obtained a copy of the bulletin this week and verified its authenticity.

I agree with the above, but remember the memo was not meant for public distirubtion. Sounds like AP should try keeping their mouths shut. Its not the first time they've mentioned things that would be better left unsaid.



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User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1750 times:

"Sounds like AP should try keeping their mouths shut. Its not the first time they've mentioned things that would be better left unsaid."
Should they? Question of relativism. From a journalist's perspective they should because it is their obligation and responsibility, like any other media outlet, to publish information that they have gotten their hands on. From a normal person's perspective, probably not because it shows our cards to whoever we are trying to guard against. Sort of like the media's reporting on the invasion plans for Iraq. They reported the details because of their obligation and responsibility to, but any non-media affiliated person thought that the plans were better left undercover.

My own view? I feel that the government, and especially our current administration, should do a better job at protecting potentially sensitive material. The AP was just doing its job by publishing the document; the government should and must seal off as many potential leaks as possible or classify the documents if it doesn't want this information getting out to the public.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1743 times:

Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 anyone?

Greg



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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2032 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1724 times:
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Has our society really gotten this bad?

I mean honestly....Just a few months ago a couple of college age kids from around my area changed a sign on a local restaurant to read "All your base are belong to us", the county prosecutor wanted to charge them with acts related to terrorism.

Now it's nice to know our government is watching out for it's citizen's, but our government is also breaking into my civil liberties like I never had them to begin with. I'm not saying it's Bush, and I'm not saying that it is one person, but as a whole I don't think my government is doing a lot to protect me, and more importantly this country.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

A lot of farmers are going to be in trouble as planting season nears....... Insane


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1691 times:



User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2744 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Gawd.... what are they going to be suspicious of next..... National Geographic?

User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

David, a quick glance at your profile tells any reader what they need to know about you when evaluating your comments/post.

User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

Yes, it tells them I don't like what the government is doing to our civil rights. Unless you are a bush-ass kisser, unlike myself, you would not have a problem with this policy. Like it or not, the Bush admin is out of control.

[Edited 2003-12-30 21:26:54]


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

Yes, it tells them I don't like what the government is doing to our civil rights. Unless you are a bush-ass kisser, unlike myself, you would not have a problem with this policy. Like it or not, the Bush admin is out of control.

No, rather it says you are one of those fruit loops who believe in alien conspiracies and that the government is out to get you.

It also highlights you liberal-ass kissing self (as opposed to the Bush-ass kissers, of which, you know very few real ones). Anyone who doesn't agree with you all of a sudden becomes a Bush Ass Kisser. Like it or not, the Bush Administration, or any other administration for that matter, isn't as that far out of control as an alarmist/extremist like yourself would have us believe.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers



User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

I see that you rather enjoy the cutting down on our civil liberties.

I am not one of those people.



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

I see that you rather enjoy the cutting down on our civil liberties.
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How is this a cut down of civil liberties ?, it is no crime to carry any book, nor are they suggesting it is. All they are saying is that intelligence has either found something in Al Qaeda Manuals that suggests carrying these books to help in your plotting as they are a wealth of information, or perhaps they found a common link in recent arrests that maybe all the nutjobs they have found recently all had them.

It is merely a pointer to say that there may be a connection to having these books appearing.

Oddly enough, in plenty of arab lands, you wouldn't even be allowed to read the damn thing as education is banned in plenty of them.

I could walk about with an almanac all day, stalking whatever I want, and I would not be arrested, so to try and suggest otherwise, is just you trying to stir the pot.

America is, and shall remain the land of the free (albeit with a tiny bit less freedom than before, but big whoop, the only difference for me this far is that it isnt as easy to sit at the end of the runway and take pics, although it isnt exactly hard either.

J


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

I am sure someone is going to panic and call 911 because a person is carrying a almanac.

What I am saying is that this just seems like more paranoia coming from the federal government.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

What I am saying is that this just seems like more paranoia coming from the federal government.
*****

Post 9.11, everyone complained that the Gov had not managed to connect the dots from all the various bits of information floating around. Now anything that they notice as odd they note it, and share it. This is a good thing and despite people wanting to complain about it, it is just that, people wanting to find something to complain about.

Human nature
J


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Your right..........people just want to complain..........well, guess the government is always right  Insane


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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

The government is not always right, but they are also not always wrong. I think the almanac thing was quite smart to notice, however I do not think they should keep announcing these things publically, as that just stops people doing it. I remember the nutjob that announced that OBL was heard talking on his satellite phone, which of course was the last time he was heard talking on it. It seems that they have yet to learn that lesson.

User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1544 times:

"The world has gone to hell in a handbag."

If you ask me, the above quote is growing more and more true everyday. Common, alot of the security makes some sorta sence, but lately it is kinda gone overboard. Also, way to go telling the terrorists how to not stand out in a croud! But honestly, the world has grown so crazy these days its not even funny.

Oh yeah, why do i like to spend summer mornings sitting out at my fav fishing hole out in the bush where there is no sign of civilization for a good mile in all directions? So i can get away from this kinda stuff and just spend a few of my hours in peace. You lot should try it someday. No phones or computers or any of that shit, 0 stress 0 worries. It will do anyone good to have a few hours away from civilization.


C'mon people, please, get real.
CanadianNorth

[Edited 2004-01-01 07:17:23]


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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

I see that you rather enjoy the cutting down on our civil liberties.

This is the best you can do? Label me as some sort of right-wing extremist nut? Why am I not surprised.

I am not one of those people.

Rarely have I ever met someone who actually was. Artsyman summed it all up nicely in Reply 18. It is not illegal to carry an Almanac. That's not what the article states, rather to be on the look out for someone carrying an Almanac that might be out to use it for more unorthodox means. It's not as if everyone buying an almanac is being stopped and searched.

The FBI noted that use of almanacs or maps may be innocent, "the product of legitimate recreational or commercial activities." But it warned that when combined with suspicious behavior — such as apparent surveillance — a person with an almanac "may point to possible terrorist planning."

The almanac alone won't get you into trouble.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers



25 L-188 : The almanac alone won't get you into trouble. But the Almanac, the Airline Guide, and the Nikon will get you labeled as an enemy of the state.
26 Jhooper : I wonder if anything would happen to me if I went through a TSA checkpoint carrying the following in a suitcase??? 1. almanac 2. a flight training han
27 Post contains images Dan2002 : "I mean honestly....Just a few months ago a couple of college age kids from around my area changed a sign on a local restaurant to read "All your base
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