Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47 Posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
Ok, I was going to post this in reply to a message under my "80's" thread, but then decided that it would be better off as a topic all its own.
So my question to you all is:
Where do you draw the line between someone who is being ambitious versus someone who is being greedy (or selfish, or simply "power hungry"?
To me, an example of someone being ambitious is someone who goes to school so they can get a degree, and get a good job that enables them to buy a decent home in a decent neighborhood, drive a nice (but not too extravagant) car. Raise the kids. And maybe have some "luxury" items (such as a nice entertainment system, or a boat, or something to that effect).
And then retire to Hawaii or Florida to live out their final days, with no help from the government.
By contrast, I think that a woman who wants to be making a six or seven digit salary, hold 3 seats on the Board of Directors, be married (and perhaps divorced with a hyphenated last name), visit 97 countries, and have 2 or 3 kids....and do all of that by the time she is 25 epitomizes greed and gluttony in the worst way.
And the same thing can be said about men (except for the hyphenated last name).
What are your thoughts?
Where do YOU draw the line between ambition and megolomania/greed?
What about these people you see in most offices nowadays that ramble on endlessly about "teamwork", and take the credit for a job YOU did, and place the blame on you for something HE did?
While that is certainly a good way to move up the corporate ladder, again, is that "CMA" (Cover My A$$) mentality prudent ambition, or are you stabbing someone else in the back for your own gain?
IS there a line, or is the simple truth of the matter mean that in order to be ambitious and successful, you must have some element of selfishness?
Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1640 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
For me, I admit, I'm all about greed, although I've realized to not look greedy, I have to place an ambitious front to get there.
However, I am VERY MATERIALISTIC, would love to own a mansion, have my own jet and a collection of nice cars. Although I would never ruin anyone in an attempt to get to the top, I would and have gone out to prey on others weaknesses and work at positioning myself to look better against them to get my way. When I have to, I will go all out to beat someone out to look better. I do not think this is immoral or bad as I use competitive tactics that aren't even noticed by the big bosses.
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
I agree with BAYTRACON on this one - and according to these criteria the woman (or man) in your second scenario is still merely ambitious (unless of course she uses the marriage to advance her to that position and the divorce to gain her loads of money...)
There's nothing wrong with dreaming about or trying hard to achieve wealthiness and riches and glory. It is partly what the idea of capitalism is about - from dishwasher to millionaire....