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U.S. To Close Border For Terrorist Attack  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 36
Posted (12 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

(if terrorist attack was found to originate in Canada)


U.S. border closing plans revealed
Terror attack could force shutdown, documents show

American law might hurt Ontario manufacturing, trade


The United States would virtually close the Canada-U.S. border if a terrorist attack were launched anywhere near it, according to documents obtained under access-to-information legislation.

"One additional terrorist attack, that had its origins in Canada or occurred at, or along, the Canada-U.S. border, would likely cause Congress to lift the drawbridge," warn the documents from the Ontario Ministry of Economic Development and Trade.

The confidential government documents also sound the alarm over newly implemented U.S. anti-terrorism legislation, warning it could wreak havoc on Ontario manufacturers.

The legislation, which took effect Dec. 12, requires trucking firms, air cargo companies and railway shippers to submit electronic data about their deliveries of food and beverage products before they can enter the United States.

"If implemented, as Congress probably intended, entry/exit could create monumental delays at the border, with devastating effects on Ontario's export industries," read the Oct. 23 documents.

Miranda Hawkins, a ministry spokeswoman, said the first phase of enforcement of the new law will begin March 12.

"This ... grace period will give truck drivers and food manufacturers the opportunity to comply with the new regulations," she said.

The internal government documents say Ontario and its neighbouring American states must influence their respective federal governments in talks over border security.

"If we cannot, and if protracted border delays become the norm, then losses to business on both sides of the border will become very significant," the documents warn.

The United States is Ontario's largest trading partner with 93 per cent of the province's international exports going south of the border.

Ontario's economic prosperity is affected by the tenor of Canada-U.S. relations.

"The government believes security need not be curtailed in order to facilitate trade and trade need not be sacrificed in order to be more safe and secure," Hawkins said.

With the recent raising of the U.S. national terrorist alert to orange from yellow, wait times at southern Ontario border crossings have been slightly longer than usual.

The Canada Customs Web site showed motorists waiting up to two hours at the Queenston-Lewiston bridge at 12:30 p.m. yesterday.

"It will cause a delay," Canada Customs spokeswoman Jean D'Amelio Swyer said yesterday of the U.S. orange alert.

Also contributing to delays are enhanced security measures imposed by Canada in response to the orange alert, a hike in holiday travel and the resumption of post-Christmas commercial traffic, she added.

Hawkins said any delays in border crossings attributed to the code orange were minimal and she cited the traditional low volume of commercial traffic at this time of year.
Of course, Canadians will not be happy about this at all. However, it is necessary to protect American security. The US-Canada border is one of the most unguarded (and pourous) borders in the world which might be okay if Canada would get tougher in terms of immigration. However, that will probably never happen. I'd guess that Canada would probably want out of NAFTA if this was to happen. Hopefully an attack originating from Canada will not occur, but its time for the US to get stricter with our neighbors when it comes to immigration.

America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offlineAlekToronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Interesting stuff...
I have to say that every country has the right to do what it needs to protect itself. The US is really in a no win situation - no matter what it does someone will be pissed off. Tighten security and people (and shippers) complain. Loosen it and citizens are scared of what comes into their country and accuse the government of not doing anything.
The sorry truth is that Canada's refugee system is SERIOUSLY flawed. I think the US should do what they need to secure the border - why should they accept the fact that Canada lets terrorist scum into our country? Our system is abused daily..loads of willing, able and honest would be immigrants from around the world are not allowed into Canada to make room for thousands of "refugees" from the Middle East, Africa and Asia.
Yeah sure increased security across the border is a bitch for truckers and shippers - but if the US market is important they have to put up with it or lobby the Feds in Ottawa to tighten our Immigration system.
overall NAFTA is a good thing and I don;t seriously think this will be endangered by some (needed) border security.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Jcs, I absolutely smell the fear in your personal remarks. You advocate turning this nation into another USSR simply to "protect" the people. You would have people in this nation live and breathe fear; to give up all their rights; to turn all friends into enemies; to give up all our freedoms, simply for "protection". Well, if you want another USSR, son, you can have it. I don't want to live in a closed off, scared to breathe society like you do. Listening to you, and to this plan, the terrorists have already won, and you're one of their great gullibles. We can protect ourselves with out being paranaoid. You, apprently, cannot.

User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

I doubt this will happen, just talk.

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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Midnight Mike, even if you're right, the fact that it's even being discussed shows you just how scared, just how paranoid this group in Washington is. It's truly frightening some of what they contemplate, in the name of keeping us "safe".

User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Looks like much of America under GWB "stellar leadership" has already closed its mind. Closing off the border is the last thing to worry about!

The ease with which GWB and company have scared their own people into accepting their evil agenda without a squeak goes to show just how shallow American democracy really is. To repeat a famous quote by an Indian leader during our own Emergency, when the press was asked to bend, it chose to crawl! Most of America, includig the liberals are doing just that.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Roy!! What's up? Happy New Year!

As usual, I don't see it quite the way you do. I don't see it as "evil", I just see it as over-reacting, and not using reason. Then again, I know in your eyes every Yank that every walked the earth is somehow "evil", Tovarich.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

I think that Roy's comments have an air of truth about them - the press are in cahoots with every idiotic pronouncement made by the absurdly scary Dept of Homeland Security and the majority of our brain-dead populace are too busy fussing over AMerican Idol to be concerned about the hopeless depths to which we have plunged.

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Roy's comments reflect some kind of bitter personal anti-American bias more than anything else. It could just be a high degree of nationalism manifesting itself as bias against the United States. In fact I would submit that that's what it is. He frequently ends his anti-American rants with some kind of parable intended to illustrate how much better Indian democracy is than what we have here in America.

It's unfortunate that there are a lot of people who are so busy accusing Americans of being closed minded that they themselves never actually bother to open their own eyes. Roy is among these people. There really is no point in trying to argue with him, because he is so rabidly anti-American that he can never even listen to an opposing viewpoint.

[Edited 2004-01-05 03:03:44]

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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

If the US ever closes the border to Canada, that's the day I move to Iceland; a country where representative democracy actually works.

"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

If the US ever closes the border to Canada, that's the day I move to Iceland; a country where representative democracy actually works.

Reprsentative democracy doesn't mean we do what you want.

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