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The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!  
User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

http://www.rnc.org/moveon2.mov

To equate a President of the United States to the 20th centuries worst scoundrel is outrageous and disgusting. I would expect much better from any Bush opponent.

Hate speech is alive and well. But when you are on a sinking ship you grasp at anything to stay alive?

Here is the list of those who align themselves with this trash. These people will be the judge of this and other similar 30 second films in opposition to Bush that are going to be shown as entries in a anti-Bush video contest on moveon.org.

Jack Black
Benny Boom
Donna Brazile
James Carville
Margaret Cho
Hector Elizondo
Al Franken
Janeane Garofalo
Stan Greenberg
Ted Hope
Jessica Lange
Michael Mann
Moby
Michael Moore
Mark Pellington
Tony Shalhoub
Russell Simmons
Michael Stipe
Gus Van Zandt
Katrina Vanden Heuvel
Eddie Vedder

When looking at this list of names I don't feel so bad considering they are the dregs of American society and are out of touch with mainstream America. I hope they are proud of this crap on moveon.org and their association with this silly pathetic anti-Bush site and contest.




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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Yeah, I saw that too, but midway through my diatribe, I realized I would probably get banned if I actually posted that message. Its absolutely disgusting that Bush is compared to Hitler, although I'm sure quite a few a.net sickos have already made the connection. I mean, I guess the attempted extermination of the Jews and killing terrorists and dictators go hand in hand  Yeah sure . Its actually pretty hypocritical comparing Bush with Hitler, considering these are some of the most anti-Jewish people in Hollywood. You're right though, these guys are so far out-of-touch with mainstream America its amazing. Its actually pretty funny who is on that list, its like a who's who of washups and never-beens (with perhaps the exception of Jack Black). MoveOn.org is actually linked with the World Socialist Organization, and they get some support from them. I guess one loser organization supporting another.

Liberals, before you have a hissy fit, just imagine if this was an ad attacking Teddy Kennedy or maybe comparing Howard Dean to Joseph Stalin. Could you imagine the outrage.

$50 says that someone on a.net will try to attempt to link Bush and Hitler in this thread.

Ahhh, the freedoms of speech.  Smile



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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

I'm a proud liberal and thanks for the info on moveon.org. I think Bush is an arrogant asshole that doesn't have a clue. He's killing Americans and Iraqis for control of the Persian gulfs oil. I think the Bush family had some kind of dealings with Hilter before the start of WW2. And that's the good things I have to say about him/them. ANY ONE BUT BUSH IN 2004 !!!!!!!!


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

JCS and Commander, except a few extremists that you have as well on the left as on the right side, nobody is generalizing Bush with Hitler.

There will always be idiots... but generalizing them to 'liberals' is quite stupid, huh?

Frederic


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

$50 says that someone on a.net will try to attempt to link Bush and Hitler in this thread.

I think the Bush family had some kind of dealings with Hilter before the start of WW2.

Good, because I don't have $50.

By the way, are you truly this ignorant in real life?



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

JCS and Commander, except a few extremists that you have as well on the left as on the right side, nobody is generalizing Bush with Hitler.

The site and it's supporters speak for itself.






User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

It is absolutely untrue that MoveOn.org is affiliated with the World Socialist Organization. But what difference does it make anyway? Is this another McCarthy-style communist witch hunt or something? The cold war is over. Communism isn't going to take over the world.

Liberals, before you have a hissy fit, just imagine if this was an ad attacking Teddy Kennedy or maybe comparing Howard Dean to Joseph Stalin. Could you imagine the outrage.

It would be just as absurd to compare democrats to communists as it is to compare Bush to Hitler. Both are untrue. Although I don't like what Bush is doing, I wouldn't compare him to Hitler

MoveOn.org is a group of citizens who feel strongly that "president" Bush should not remain in the white house, and whether or not you like it, they have the right to speak their mind. As you say, Jcs17, Ahhh, the freedoms of speech.

-Q




Long live the A330!
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2528 times:

Eddie Vedder!! that's perl jam's lead singer!! now that's weird

User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2526 times:

Can we at least all agree that Margaret Cho is perhaps the least funny commedian to ever grace a comedy club stage?

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7958 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 2511 times:

I have no sympathies for wild Hitler comparisons, but could it be that the clip is one of those "Bush in 30 Seconds" proposals? In this case, it may be that not everyone on the list our self-proclaimed commander provided agrees with the idea behind the film.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 2497 times:

Big deal. So someone doesn't like him. This kind of crap was heaped upon Clinton from the far right for 8 and a half years, and the same neocon voices on here who are so outraged at this are the same ones who backed most of the shit that was done to Clinton. I guess they can dish it out, but sure can't take it. Rather amusing.  Smile

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Hate speech is alive and well.

Ah I see. Freedom of speech is all well and good...unless you're critising Bush in which case it becomes "hate speech". Land of the free!


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

How nicely sarcastic, 777236ER!  Big thumbs up

Frederic


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Isn't this organization (moveon) partially funded by George Soros - the multibillionaire who made his fortunes by arbitraging foreign currencies (particularly, he's attributed to the massive destabilization of the Russian Ruble)?

To me, his involvement is part of the real story here. He calls the President one of the greatest threats to peace of all time, yet if this were true, he'd stand to benefit tremendously from the FX fallout of a destabilized US. To me, this has a lot of parallels to a short seller talking down a stock just to achieve their financial goal.

Follow the money.

-76M


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Lets see:

George Soros - multibillionaire who spends his billions on philanthrophic projects, promoting democratic institutions in Eastern Europe, giving away billions to medical research.

George Bush - dimwitted scion born to wealth, incapable of creating it, unaware of geopolitics in the world, heir apparent to right wing brutes and friends of Saddam, and clueless yes-man responsible for sending troops into pointless war to buttress his failing tenure in office.


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Ha! I found this quite comical, this should go under the humor section. Most of the performers on the list were or are untalented, most of them did not even attend college. Why would I listen to a comedian as to what his view points are on politics? Some of the members on the list are not even American citizens.

I clicked on the link and I found the video disgusting, if I was against President Bush, I would never in my right mind attach my name to that piece of trash.



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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

That's right Jay - GWB has never done anything good and everything George Soros does is good. You are brilliant!

How about addressing the point, not just distracting attention from it. Pretty hypocritical for the left that likes to constantly point towards the relationship between the Bush administration and Halliburton to completely ignore the pecuniary relationships between Soros and the MOVEON movement.

Isn't there a saying in the legal profession that says, when you have the law on your side, argue the law; when you have the facts on your side, argue the fact; and when you have neither, just argue - I guess we all now know what you have on your side of the coin with respect to this issue.


User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Agreed N6376.

George Soros was also a big proponent of the U.S.'s Campaign Finance Reform. Than he turns around and pledges millions to help defeat Bush.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

Frankly I'm not sure what GW Bush has done that qualifies as "good." Besides, all the points raised by me are, indeed, factual. The man has been a failure in the business world, and we are all quite aware of his dismal intellect and his pitiful knowledge of the world around him. As far as being the heir apparent to the Reagan/Poppie/Rummy pals of Saddam Club goes, the facts are etched into history. I suggest you go argue with the ghosts of the Iraqi dead from 1984 - 1988.

And where in my posting do I say that GW Bush has done nothing good, and that Soros is the angle incarnate? If you're so prickly about criticism about your dear beloved President, then you have a thin skin indeed.

And what point are we talking about here? The comparison of Bush with Hitler? Its stupid at best, and hardly deserving of a response. The usual Bush cheerleaders get their panties into a wad over stuff like that, but why should it even merit a response from anyone else. I responded to the damning of George Soros, who without a doubt is more worthy of respect than GW Bush will ever be. As far as the HAlliburton connections go, Dubya is an elected government official and his HAlli connections ought to raise the fears and doubts of every citizen whose tax dollars are going to fuel the private accounts of his Veep in charge. Soros, on the other hand, is a private citizen. If you can't see the difference between a public official using his office to promote the interests of a private corporation, and a private unelected citizen, then I have nothing more to add. La La Land beckons.

So, go grab your coffee of the day. Maybe all you need is a jolt of caffeine to see the facts.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Pretty hypocritical for the left that likes to constantly point towards the relationship between the Bush administration and Halliburton to completely ignore the pecuniary relationships between Soros and the MOVEON movement.

Are you comparing Halliburton to MoveOn? ROTFLMAO!  Laugh out loud

That's a good one. Face it-there are rich folk on both sides who throw their money to certain candidates. The real hypocrisy on this thread is from the rightwingers, who are up in arms about this, when the same people doing the bitching were the ones cheering everytime a right-wing rag or right-wing supporter brought even the wildest accusations against President Clinton. It's done on both sides, and it's pretty funny when either side bitches for doing what they themselves do.  Smile


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Okay, maybe not Hitler, but how about Goering:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

9/11 was cited as our big reason for going to Iraq (We are being attacked)

Protestors were considered "un-American (pacifists lacked patriotism)

WMD's could be used against the US (exposing country to greater danger)

As far as what one side does versus the other - is comparing Bush to Hitler any worse than insinuating that Bill Clinton had Vince Foster murdered?


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

So someone doesn't like him. This kind of crap was heaped upon Clinton from the far right for 8 and a half years, and the same neocon voices on here who are so outraged at this are the same ones who backed most of the shit that was done to Clinton. I guess they can dish it out, but sure can't take it.

Alpha1, I will be waiting eagerly for you to find one instance where Bill Clinton was compared to one of the worst genocidal dictators the world has ever seen.

Lets see:

George Soros - multibillionaire who spends his billions on philanthrophic projects, promoting democratic institutions in Eastern Europe, giving away billions to medical research.

George Bush - dimwitted scion born to wealth, incapable of creating it, unaware of geopolitics in the world, heir apparent to right wing brutes and friends of Saddam, and clueless yes-man responsible for sending troops into pointless war to buttress his failing tenure in office.


Brilliant as usual, Jaysit. I've heard that law schools are getting easier and easier to gain acceptance to--I guess this just proves the point.

Anyway, this whole thread proves my theory that the the era of the educated moderate Democrat is over...



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Bill Clinton was accused of plotting to murder an American citizen, a very serious (and baseless) charge, indeed. Accusation of murder is a far more serious charge than some "comparison" to a dead Nazi. Accusations invite investigations which invite a waste of prosecutorial time and tax payer money; stupid comparisons merely invite stupid defenses by pom pom waving dimwits on internet boards.



User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Its a new year, Jcs.

Visited any imaginary destinations on imaginary Business Class cabins in between all those evenings of animated lovemaking with your very real Dubya Bush GI Joe doll?

Perhaps a visit to lovely Rio to visit your imaginary girl friend, the girl from Ipanema, where your imaginary laptop will be stolen as you step off the imaginary Business Class Cabin of a Varig 777?


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

"Anyway, this whole thread proves my theory that the the era of the educated moderate Democrat is over..."

So when Dumbya came into power a new era of the educated and moderate Conservative dawned???


Besides that, your statements are all wrong.

Oh and do not waste your time at something as useless as rnc.org or gop.com.

[Edited 2004-01-05 20:34:11]


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25 N6376m : Alpha1 - Soros has every right to do what he's doing, I've never argued otherwise. However, until I pointed out the relationship, nobody (either from
26 Goboeing : What is the problem with Bush??? He is really not a bad president at all I think. I'm not a political scientist but geez, there have been much worse p
27 N6376m : Jaysit writes "I'm not sure what GW Bush has done that qualifies as "good." "And where in my posting do I say that GW Bush has done nothing good, and
28 VectorVictor : Welcome to the Eagle Scout fraternity Goboeing. Now if I could only find my certificate from 1984 I'd display it as well.
29 Post contains images 777fan : Probably personally signed. I think I have mine laying around that I received from Jimmy Carter............
30 L.1011 : This is why the Dems are gonna lose pathetically. They have nothing but hate speech. All I've seen from them is "I hate Bush. He sucks." The Democrats
31 777fan : As a Democrat, I do not "hate" Bush, but disagree with many things he has done. The current field of democratic candidates does not, in my opinion, ha
32 Jaysit : OK, Mr - 76M: The so-called conflict of interests attributed to Soros are the lore of conspiracy theorists (Is the tired adage zionist international b
33 Jaysit : "considering these are some of the most anti-Jewish people in Hollywood." I'm sure. Considering that many of them are Jewish themselves. "This is why
34 N6376m : So Jay (feel free to drop the "Mr." when addressing me), You think by simply pointing out the fact that a potential conflict exists this is equivalent
35 Jaysit : "For the record, Israel has no stronger ally than the right" A debatable pronouncement at best. The ostensible pro-Israel stance is based on a whole d
36 N6376m : Jay, You're the only one drawing the nexus. I specifically disclaimed any conclusion. Soros might stand to benefit is a completely true statement as i
37 Jaysit : "Soros might stand to benefit is a completely true statement as it leaves open the possibility that he won't." LOL. Wow. Now, thats what I call B*llsh
38 N6376m : Jay, You have no idea whether your billables are any of my damn business - I might be a client of the firm? I think that you might be very surprised t
39 Jaysit : "I might be a client of the firm" LOL. I doubt it. Plus, I'm on vacation so stop your little pathological tirade, luv. Its going nowhere, and makes yo
40 N6376m : Jay - You walked right into that one. Why does "might" as in "I might be a client of your firm" mean anything different than it does in the statement,
41 Alpha 1 : The degredation of the sanctity of the office of the POTUS began a long time ago but probably peaked when our last President thought that the Oval off
42 Post contains images Goingboeing : Come on Alpha...it wasn't about the blow job...it was lying under oath about the blow job.
43 JeffM : The thing is Alpha, the many thousands of Iraqi's lives that were lost could have been saved if that bastard with the cigar had done his job instead o
44 Klaus : Do you propose that Bill Clinton should have had stormed the Reagan White House and stopped them to back Saddam on his nerve-gas attacks on his own pe
45 David b. : Thousands of Iraqis' lives would have been saved if Bush did not go to war based on lies just to finish daddy's job. Immoral of GW's part. Yes?No?
46 JeffM : Yea, brilliant Klaus, glad to see your paying attention.
47 Alpha 1 : Oh, for Christ Sake, JeffM, tell me you're not that far gone? Clinton had no reason to invade Iraq-Bush's reason was finishing Daddy's war, and advanc
48 Jcs17 : Alpha1, would you answer me this simple question: -Did you think that there was any reason NOT TO BELIEVE that Saddam Hussein did not have WMD? Here l
49 JeffM : Alpha, I thought he had good reason. Many others did too. Get over it. Jeff
50 Jaysit : "Yea, brilliant Klaus, glad to see your paying attention." Good that someone is. Its clear that you were asleep during the Reagan years while Saddam w
51 Airplay : $50 says that someone on a.net will try to attempt to link Bush and Hitler in this thread. This is old news. I've been comparing Bush to Hitler waaayy
52 Post contains images 727LOVER : I think it's really sick to compare Bush to Hitler. But I also think it's sick to equate a feminist w/ a Nazi. Now gee, who does that???
53 Alpha 1 : Alpha, I thought he had good reason. Many others did too. Yes, it's all those WMD's we've captured, right, JeffM? Oh, I forgot, the ORIGINAL reason do
54 JeffM : Actually, I did not need the WMD reason. I think there was plenty (count thousands murdered) for us to boot Saddam. And yes, even though you mock them
55 B757300 : People who compare Bush, or even Clinton for that matter, with Adolf Hitler show that they are totally ignorant of history. The Nationalsozialistische
56 MidnightMike : The WMD's were one of the reasons for invading Iraq, let me remind everybody that over 30 nations were involved in the invasion of Iraq, as of this d
57 Sabena 690 : Xenophobic foreign policy, Alpha? Did you steal that line from Roy? Go vote for Dean, make your little statement, and be done with it already. That's
58 Goingboeing : Actually, I did not need the WMD reason. I think there was plenty (count thousands murdered) for us to boot Saddam Your compassion for the Iraqi peopl
59 Sebolino : Actually, I did not need the WMD reason. I think there was plenty (count thousands murdered) for us to boot Saddam. So tell me boy, why don't you atta
60 Alpha 1 : As has been mentioned, JeffM, if the United States is to have any consistency and credibility in the world, then why don't we try to depose the murder
61 Sabena 690 : All they do is fighting for Bush. American citizens won't be safer after that. Very true, I believe that America is even UNsafer now. Frederic
62 Yyz717 : JeffM, if the United States is to have any consistency and credibility in the world, then why don't we try to depose the murderous regimes in Iran, Ch
63 Alpha 1 : Then Yyz717, if you agree, can you buy the argument it was to topple a virulent dictator? If that is true, we have at least a dozen more targets, do w
64 Yyz717 : You can't look at Iraq in isolation. I think the MOST dangerous regime in the region is Saudi Arabia. By deposing Saddam and turning Iraq into a "frie
65 777236ER : I really think the Iraq war was all about isolating Saudi Arabia. So then you think Bush lied?
66 Sabena 690 : I really think the Iraq war was all about isolating Saudi Arabia. Very true, Yyz717! And why did you attack me than a few months ago when I claimed ex
67 L.1011 : I am formally refusing to listen to the one Moby song I have. This is pathetic.
68 Jaysit : Exit strategy from Saudi Arabia has been an academic issue for many years now, and is the word in the Arab and Muslim street from Pakistan to Morocco.
69 777236ER : I am formally refusing to listen to the one Moby song I have. This is pathetic. If you have only one song, the likelihood is that you downloaded it fr
70 Alpha 1 : You can't look at Iraq in isolation. Oh, but I'm not, but I certainly don't look at it in the angle you do: it was meant to forward a xenophobic, neo-
71 Jcs17 : All they do is fighting for Bush. American citizens won't be safer after that. Sebolino and Sabena 690: All they did is save France and Belguim in WWI
72 Jaysit : "how about some damn gratitude to the American soldier." ???? Cerebellum problems today? The posting implied that the soldiers fighting in Iraq are fi
73 Airplay : People who compare Bush, or even Clinton for that matter, with Adolf Hitler show that they are totally ignorant of history. That would be true if you
74 L.1011 : It didn't come off Kazaa. It came off "Pure Moods 3" Thats why I only have one song. I don't use any download service, legal or otherwise.
75 Post contains images 777236ER : So you've paid for it already. You've helped pay for the yatch of someone you don't like
76 Sabena 690 : JCS17: this topic goes about the Iraq war, not about 1940-1945, right? As much as I thank the American AND the Russian soldiers (indeed, also the Russ
77 Commander_Rabb : Fred, Is there anything you are happy about America or Americans? In reading your posts I never see it. Even the post above lacks any sincerity.[Edite
78 Post contains images Yyz717 : Some of the "Crew" of A.Net are alot like Hitler too... Really Airplay??? Which ones??? Which mods are out EXECUTING Jews, gays, Poles etc? Anyone who
79 Commander_Rabb : Well, it IS very mod-ish at the moment for the urban Euro literati to be anti-American. It's all part of being Euro-cool I guess. Very well put. We al
80 777236ER : Anyone who throws around the "Hitler" analogy with any Western leader Once again, Yyz717 shows his hated of anything "non-Western". You can't compare
81 Post contains images Yyz717 : Once again, Yyz717 shows his hated of anything "non-Western". You can't compare a "Western" leader with Hitler, but comparing a "non-Western" leader i
82 777236ER : Alright then, any leader. Even Mugabe?
83 Jaysit : Its the new credo of the right: a critique of Bush is synonymous with being anti-American. "We all know full well what happened to the "Euro literati"
84 Commander_Rabb : The lesson learned of those times, was to fight evil as soon and as quickly as one can to keep its ugly head from rising any further. Unfortunately pe
85 Airplay : Really Airplay??? Which ones??? Which mods are out EXECUTING Jews, gays, Poles etc? Again, we are entertained with the debating stylings of YYZ717. No
86 777236ER : Standing back and watching from the sidelines failed then, as it does now in dealing with "uneasy" political decisions. Isn't that what the US did thr
87 Jaysit : "Standing back and watching from the sidelines failed then, as it does now in dealing with "uneasy" political decisions. Vis-a-vis Europe(most of it)
88 Commander_Rabb : In about 2 years a deal could have been struck with him and he could have been sent to a life of exile in some banana republic somewhere. Sounds like
89 Jaysit : I'm sure you're an expert on proactive thinking. Perhaps, proactive thinking involves: a. Arm a brutal dictator to the teeth. b. Arm him some more and
90 Commander_Rabb : You forgot, f. Remove dictator and toss him in the ash heap of history. Back on topic, (The Most Outrageous Bush Attack Yet!) Associating Bush with Hi
91 777236ER : You forgot You forgot parts a-e. Any comment?
92 Jaysit : "f. Remove dictator and toss him in the ash heap of history." Never mind. Clearly the lessons of history or the Iraq conflict are lost on you. It only
93 Yyz717 : Nobody accused the "Crew" of executing jews, gays or poles. My comparison was based on other similarities such as arbitrary rule. When you bring up th
94 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Yyz717, I just love it how you randomly throw out your anti-American crap in every single topic, keep it going! Fred, Is there anything you are happy
95 Airplay : When you bring up the "Hitler" comment, that is what you are accusing Bush or the anet mods of: being murderers. That is what Hitler is remembered for
96 Chi-town : Youre always going to have your handful of people that bitch when we are in a war or when we have troops overseas. Like Dc10guy. "Bring our troops bac
97 Goingboeing : Like Dc10guy. "Bring our troops back!" "Bush, is an asshole because he is killing our innocent troops!" HELLO!, The man has a job, and he is involved
98 Alpha 1 : I'm not asking you to support our President and his policies, but how about some damn gratitude to the American soldier. Bull, Jcs17. You want Europe
99 Commander_Rabb : Well sir, as I see it (along with the current administration and the intelligence community) the biggest threat as of March 2003 was the potential for
100 Goingboeing : 1.No alignment of terrorist organizations with Iraqi government. Didn't have any real data to support that Iraq funded any kind of attacks towards the
101 Airplay : Now that Saddam is most certainly out of the picture, why doesn't the US leave? Wasn't that the objective? Or are they still looking for WMDs?
102 Goingboeing : Now that Saddam is most certainly out of the picture, why doesn't the US leave? Wasn't that the objective? Or are they still looking for WMDs? One of
103 Airplay : GoeingBoeing, Even if the native population has clearly stated their desire that the US leave?
104 Yyz717 : Now that Saddam is most certainly out of the picture, why doesn't the US leave? Wasn't that the objective? The US is helping to maintain peace & stabi
105 Airplay : The US is helping to maintain peace & stability on behalf of the Iraqi governing council. But...the guy who supposedly created the instability is gone
106 Yyz717 : But...the guy who supposedly created the instability is gone. Shouldn't that mean the newly "liberated" Iraqis would be alright now?? Elements loyal t
107 777236ER : Elements loyal to Saddam continue to try & destabilize the country. It will take time to rout them out. Surely it's their country? Who is America to "
108 Post contains images Yyz717 : Who is America to "root them out"? Merely a benign and friendly overseer. Once stability is established, the Americans will exit. Americans do not wan
109 Jaysit : Or maybe we will be forced to exit ala Vietnam. For those who pooh pooh the Vietnam analogy, more Americans were killed in Iraq in November than in al
110 777236ER : Merely a benign and friendly overseer Overseer to what? The governing council is not democratically elected. What if elections show that the majority
111 Commander_Rabb : Saddam as boogeyman was nothing more than a Rovian political tactic designed to soothe the fears of the stupid, and to rally forth the ignorant. There
112 FDXmech : Elements loyal to Saddam continue to try & destabilize the country. It will take time to rout them out. >>>Surely it's their country? Who is America t
113 777236ER : So Iraq country belongs to Saddam loyalists? Iraq belongs to its citizens. Some of them are Saddam loyalists. Is it the job of the United States to sa
114 Jaysit : "There are quite a few intelligent people in Washington who are in positions to know the situation more than any of us do, who would beg to differ wit
115 Commander_Rabb : Which bring us back to the video once more. Indeed "the rest of us refuse to do so." And you will use any degrading means to get your message across.
116 Goingboeing : And you will use any degrading means to get your message across. No matter how silly you sound. Sort of like accusing Clinton of having a hand in "mur
117 Post contains images Commander_Rabb : That's correct!
118 FDXmech : >>>Iraq belongs to its citizens. Some of them are Saddam loyalists. Is it the job of the United States to say which of Iraqs citizens are entitled to
119 Jaysit : "Which bring us back to the video once more. Indeed "the rest of us refuse to do so." And you will use any degrading means to get your message across.
120 Airplay : Merely a benign and friendly overseer. Once stability is established, the Americans will exit HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Benign oversee
121 Sabena 690 : Now that Saddam is most certainly out of the picture, why doesn't the US leave? Leaving now is no solution at all. At least trying to start some form
122 Yyz717 : Overseer to what? The governing council is not democratically elected. The governing council is a group of 25 prominent Iraqi's who are ruling Iraq un
123 777236ER : He was still a dangerous rogue leader. But he didn't have WMDs, which was the basis of going to war.
124 Airplay : Leaving now is no solution at all. Going in the first place was a mistake that only created more problems. Iraq has gone nowhere with this war. The sa
125 Post contains images Yyz717 : Going in the first place was a mistake that only created more problems. So Airplay, you are in favour of Saddam having remained in power? Since deposi
126 Sabena 690 : Then let Iraq split into 3 separate countries, if that's what the 3 main ethnic groups want. Also this is no solution at all... Bush deserves attacks
127 Goingboeing : Then let Iraq split into 3 separate countries, if that's what the 3 main ethnic groups want. You know, the US tried something like that back in the 18
128 Yyz717 : Then let Iraq split into 3 separate countries, if that's what the 3 main ethnic groups want. Also this is no solution at all... Yes, it is.
129 777236ER : Yes, it is. Just out of interest, what military or political experience of the Middle East do you have?
130 Goingboeing : So Airplay, you are in favour of Saddam having remained in power? Since deposition was the ONLY way of de-throning Saddam, to be against deposing him
131 Jaysit : Saddam's Iraq in 2003 was less of a rogue nation than North Korea, Pakistan, Syria, etc. As a matter of fact, it was an empty shell with a fool as a d
132 Post contains images Yyz717 : As far as splitting Iraq into three nations go, the Turks and the Sunnis will NEVER allow that to happen. An independent Kurdistan will threaten to sp
133 Airplay : Then let Iraq split into 3 separate countries, if that's what the 3 main ethnic groups want. This is exactly what the region needs. But I think they n
134 777236ER : The same as you 777236ER. I'm not the one blanketly declaring that Iraq splitting up into three countries is a good thing.
135 Yyz717 : I'm not the one blanketly declaring that Iraq splitting up into three countries is a good thing. It's a good thing if the Iraqi's want it. Democracy i
136 Goingboeing : It's a good thing if the Iraqi's want it. Democracy is always a good thing. Again I refer you to the 1860's in the United States...the Confederate Sta
137 Airplay : So they seceeded from the Union and started their own democracy. And it ended in the bloodiest war in US history. Exactly. But maybe this is what Iraq
138 Yyz717 : Again I refer you to the 1860's in the United States...the Confederate States of America wanted one set of things, the Union wanted another. So they s
139 Goingboeing : Really? Only two groups with different ideas about how they want to live. One didn't like the other, so they "intervened". Throw in a third and lets s
140 Sabena 690 : Yyz717, as they always say: 'history repeats itself'. With learning about history, and looking at history, a lot of bad things can be avoided, includi
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