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Does Pete Rose Belong In The Hall Of Fame?  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/baseball/mlb/01/05/pete.rose/index.html?cnn=yes

Now that he has admitted to gambling on baseball, should he be reinstated and be allowed to enter the hall of fame if he is voted in?

As the all-time hits leader, I think he should be there. In the article, he has a great point that drug addicts would have been suspended for 6 months and had their rehabilitation paid for by major league baseball, but there was nothing for gambling addicts.

Rgds,

Greg


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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Absolutely NOT!
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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Pete Rose: "Not the greatest hitter, just the player with the most hits."




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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Yes. His record as a player speaks for itself, and in the greater scheme of things, what he did was really not that bad. Besides, the Hall of Fame should recognize achievements in baseball, not good moral character.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineBeefer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

I think the key argument about all of this is that he BET ON BASEBALL GAMES!!!

I don't think it is a moral judgment at all. He knew that betting on Baseball games was not allowed and yet he did it anyway. He still claims that he did not bet on his own games, but there is some evidence that seems to show that he was.

I believe that MLB does consider it a major offense for a player/manager to bet on Baseball games due to the possible inside information the person may have or that they could somehow effect the outcome of a game due to a bet they have placed.

My answer would be NO to the Hall of Fame.


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Yes he does. The hall of fame is there as a recognition of his baseball achievements, not of his personal affairs.

Clinton was a good president, and what he does in his spare time has nothing to do with what he does as a president.

Personally, I slept better at night knowing he was getting some...

J


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Yes he belongs in the Hall Of Fame. The Hall is based on onfield accomplishments, not off the field issues. Yes he bet on baseball as a manager, so that kills him going in the Hall as a manager. As a player though, he was the most competitive, hard nose, always hustling player out there, as well as having more hits than anyone else. He should be elected to the Hall, but not allowed to have any kind of significant role with MLB.

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

KROC,

Welcome back!

I like your point that he should be reinstated, but given no significant role with baseball. Acknowledge what he did on the field, but nothing else!

Has anyone read the Sports Illustrated article? I am planning to pick it up after work today.



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2250 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

Absolutely not...his totally immoral character outweighs his on-field achievements. We don't need trash like him in the Hall.

Sincerely,

O.J. Simpson




"On spaceship earth there are no passengers...only crew."
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

I agree with O.J.

Signed, Ty Cobb


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Off-the-job actions have no bearing on whether or not I should keep my job.

Signed,

The Bill Clinton Lovers


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2250 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Damn right!

Sincerely,
Mike Price (Roll, Tide, Roll!)



"On spaceship earth there are no passengers...only crew."
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

He is not worthy. His actions tainted the game.

If there was a Hall of Infamy....he would belong there.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

So Yyz717. According to your logic, we will have to remove about 20% of the current Hall Of Fame members.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

According to your logic, we will have to remove about 20% of the current Hall Of Fame members.

Not necessarily. Pete Rose is a marquee player though (like a Wayne Gretsky) and his cheating was very high profile. Like it or not, Pete Rose was an allstar....and a higher bar for ethical behaviour is expected for the upper echelon of players.

The sheer controversy over his cheating should be enough to keep him out of the HOF until well after he is dead, if ever.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

He belongs in the hall because of his achievements, and he's finally taking steps to atone for his violation of the gambling rules.

Still, his decade-long lie factors against him.

I think a fair result would be for Pete to be posthumously eligible. He wouldn't be able to profit from his hall of fame presence, or do anything else to tarnish the hall by his actions, but he'd eventually wind up there.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1722 times:


I say let him in to the hall, but include the bit about him being banned for gambling on his plaque. His on the field accomplishments are more than enough to warrant him a spot in Cooperstown. I wouldn't want to see him managing again though. The vibe I'm getting from him in the media lately is that he expects to be reinstated, get into the hall, and get his old job of managing the Reds back.



User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Before that ABC Exclusive I used to say to myself..."Why not? He was a good player? And maybe he didn't really bet on baseball?


Now I say to myself: "You lied to me for 14 years and you wanna be on CoppersTown, go (censored Words) yourself"



Either way i think he will be rembered for many reasons for a long time



ROLL TIDE!!!
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

Absolutely not. In this incidence, Rose's off-the-field actions could very well have affected his on-the-field actions. It reeks of the Black Sox scandal, except the burden of misbehavior rests firmly on one man instead of an entire team. If players caught up in the Black Sox scandal (Shoeless Joe Jackson, for instance) are banned from the Hall, Pete Rose should also.


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User currently offlineGunships From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 574 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

Pete Rose accepted a lifetime ban from baseball and then spent years lying about his gambling activities. Shortly before his new book comes out, he admits to betting. Kind of makes me wonder about the timing.
In my opinion, he should be in the Hall of Fame. But he broke a rule (fair or not, it was still a rule and he accepted the punishment) and is not eligible. It's that simple.
I wonder if he's already been told that the ban will be lifted, and maybe that's his reason for speaking out? I have a hard time believing he "saw the light" all of a sudden and had to go public without regard for money or re-instatement. There's more to the story.




User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1701 times:

Yes, he does.

Should he be allowed back participating in baseball, or managing? No, he shouldn't.


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1692 times:

75 years from now when a kid walks into the hall of fame and asks "who has the record for the most hits" ??? What will they say ??? Can they say Pete Rose ??? Pete Rose is one of the greatest baseball players ever. He should be in the hall of fame.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1688 times:

Well I am more offended about the 14 year attempted snow job.

But he has that record that can't be denied.

Wait until he is dead, and then do it posthumously.



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1686 times:

I would say yes. Hell there are people that do, and have done worse then what he did. It's not like he was betting from the dugout using his laptop.

Give him his place.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

Liars like him...NO!

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


25 IMissPiedmont : The term is "Hall of Fame." It appears that he does enjoy just a bit of fame, even among his detractors. My answer is a resounding yes though I dislik
26 Dragon-wings : Yes he belongs in the Hall of Fame. When he was playing and accumulating all those Hall of fame stats he did not bet on baseball, he only bet on baseb
27 KBOS : Shoeless Joe has been kept out far longer for something he may not have been involved in. The Hall will do just fine without #14.....
28 4holer : Yes, unfortunately he does. And he should be inducted the day after he dies. And Shoeless Joe should be in there as well. I hope he gets in while Pete
29 777fan : I honestly don't think he has changed his hair since the 70s. 4holer, I agree on Joe Jackson, to me he was a pawn and was brought down as an example f
30 Tom in NO : It would appear that everything about Pete Rose's career is already in the Fall of Fame. Examples: 1) batting helmet used when he got his record-setti
31 Jaysit : Fans love Pete. Remember the standing ovation he got as part of the All Century Team in San Francisco? Bud Selig remembers that, the fans have forgive
32 Chi-town : Pete Rose should be allowed in the Baseball Hall of Fame. He was a great hitter and holds the record for most hits. He has admitted his mistake and is
33 KROC : He has admitted his mistake and is sorry for it Come on now. Rose admitted his mistake (despite lieing about it for 14 plus years) but he NOT sorry fo
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