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Bush Equated To Hitler In Video Clip, Media Uproar  
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

As simple as this is... it's sure causing an uproar in the media. Particularly the more right-wing outlets:

O'Reilly Factor
Hannity and Colmes
etc....

http://www.rnc.org/moveon2.mov

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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

So are the joys of unilateral war.

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1620 times:

It is a stupid attempt by the lefties...

they are struggling.... BIG TIME.


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1617 times:

Oh and the war was a stupid attempt by the righties?


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21484 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1607 times:

There´s no indication of any intention to persecute and kill any group of people... That makes comparisons with Hitler inappropriate and just tasteless attention-grabbing.

There´s an uncanny resemblance with another regime a few years earlier in german history, though:



Emperor Wilhelm II and his supporters had the same maniacal nationalist and autoritarian preferences with more than a tinge of paranoia and a strong affinity for military solutions for any problem in the world, not to mention imperial ambitions at the expense of the rest of the world...

When WWI was lost and the emperor had abdicated, the ensuing confusion, coupled with the autoritarian upringing of most people, helped pave the way for the collapse of the Weimar Republic and the ascension of Hitler´s NSDAP, however.

Autoritarian thinking is dangerous. But, on the other hand, I think that contemporary americans should be a lot better prepared to turn their country around again than the germans of the early 20th century were back then...


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1595 times:

When was the last time the country's "leaders" kept immune from criticism? When was the last time the state machinery was used to attack anyoe who criticized the countrys "leaders"?

Err, but to most of us here, the US seems to be fast turning into the USSR!

Some irony this! This is supposed to be a war to protect the freedom of the American people and in the name of Democracy. But the fist casualty seems to be these very things! Irony indeed!

-Roy


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1585 times:

Click here Roy

[Edited 2004-01-06 02:53:47]


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1546 times:

David B. said...

"Oh and the war was a stupid attempt by the righties?"

No, it worked...!


v/r
Jeff


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1543 times:

Worked?? LOL  Big thumbs up

Where are the WMDs??? Answer please...............

Why are US troops being blown up every day? Answer please.............


Billions of dollars of taxpayers' money to settle a personal vendetta.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1538 times:

The WMD's are in Iraq. duh...

Troops get hurt. If you knew anything about what it is like being in a war, you would not have asked such a silly question.

Jef


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

OK wise guy.........Where are they  Nuts

Troops wouldn't be dying if GodGW didn't sent them to settle a score.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

Media uproar? Where? Its funny how you guys bash O'Reilly and Sean Hannity for not being journalists and being "biased," then this story breaks and all of a sudden they're called journalists again. There was very little mention of it on any kind of network television news. The only places that were really talking about it was Fox News and conservative talk radio--other than those sources, the story was conveniently swept under the rug. How much do you want to bet that if this was uttered by a Republican website about a Democratic candidate this story would be on network news faster than David b. to his fantasy world. We'd hear "Ohhh, the conservative are anti-Semites!" One question, where were Democrats to distance themselves from this hate speech? I did not see one Democrat come out and say "this was wrong."

What a classless party. I'll tell you, the Democratic party is running itself straight into the ground and the mindless followers like David b., Jaysit, and Alpha1 don't even realize it.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2048 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Jcs...you're defending our side well, although I must admit that trying to defend the opposition side here would be much more challenging.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Yes, Sleekjet, Jcs does kiss up to George Bush with the best of them, doesn't he?  Big grin

And face it: had such a story been about old Bill, Hannity and O'Reilley would have been leading the charge to publisize it. Yes, fair and balanced.

And Jcs, amazing you call ANYONE on here "mindless followers" when you're like a mice behind the Pied Piper Bush. You couldn't critisize the man if your life depended on it.  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1488 times:


And Jcs, amazing you call ANYONE on here "mindless followers" when you're like a mice behind the Pied Piper Bush. You couldn't critisize the man if your life depended on it.


Can I refer you to the Mexican immigration thread?



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

Hitler?

Nah, try....



Much better...


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Bill O'Reilley is a journalist just like Jerry Springer is a journalist.
Make it a show with 5 second sound bites and flashy lights, and anyone with enough time on their hands will watch that garbage.

That movie was moronic as well, obviously just there to stir up all you right and left wing stalwharts, which it obviously did  Smile

You got one guy defending our invasion of a foreign country, and another making fun of that guy. All in the name of being "right"

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George




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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1469 times:


That Bush photo was humor, comparing the President of the United States to Adolph Hitler, is just simply wrong, Hitler, the person responsible for the deaths of millions, the man responsible for the attempted genocide of a race of people and they are attempting to draw comparisons to President Bush is just pure madness.



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

I question the sanity and/or rationality of those who really think the two are comparable.

The true harm of crap like this is that completely ends up drowning out any meaningful debate about the Bush presidency. Virtually all of the foaming-at-the-mouth Bush haters seem incapable of expressing rational thoughts and resort to hyperbole such as this nonsense.

Because their views are so extreme and perverse, ordinary people cannot take them seriously. Since they are so vocal, meaningful debate is either completely obscured or becomes futile off the bat. In the end, this actually helps President Bush even when he is pushing a bad policy.

Finally all of the people who spend their time burning Bush in effigy, have probably never once protested the murderous regime of Saddam Hussein ever. If you're interested in how creative Saddam was at murdering his own people (in this case of one of his own soldiers who disagreed with him),

read this NYTimes article: | December 31, 2003
How Disappearance in ’84 Blighted Family in Iraq
By JOHN F. BURNS (NYT) News

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/31/international/middleeast/31SURV.html

The death of this man was recently broadcast on al-Jazeera.

Even comparing the US to pre-WW I Germany with the Kaiser is utterly ridiculous. The US not in throes of some ultranationalist movement. I would bet money that most Arabs in the US have it better than their brethern in France and other European countries with large Arab populations. The US took out a very bad dictator who either had WMD or really wanted everyone to think he did for 12 years.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

Ah, let 'em have their fun while they can.. They won't have any for at least the next 5 years.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

N79969 wrote:
Finally all of the people who spend their time burning Bush in effigy, have probably never once protested the murderous regime of Saddam Hussein ever. If you're interested in how creative Saddam was at murdering his own people (in this case of one of his own soldiers who disagreed with him),
------------

Bad example since it was the Reagan/Bush (same old crew) admin. that supported Saddam FULLY when he was at his MOST murderous. Without that support, Iran would have creamed Saddam even without Ollie North and arms-for-hostages to them!



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

All those Bush supporters baying for this war probably didnt even know what Iraq was back in the 80s when the Grand ol' party and its Grand ol' leader were too busy making deals with Saddam Hussein. For that matter, neither did Dubya, so at least he has the advantage of ignorance on his side. Pity you cant say that about the rest of this White House.

User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

jcs17, I also heard and saw the clip on scarborough country at 8mt. on msnbc.


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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

jcs17, I also heard and saw the clip on scarborough country at 8mt. on msnbc.

Congratulations, your medal will be shipped to you via FedEx.

All those Bush supporters baying for this war probably didnt even know what Iraq was back in the 80s when the Grand ol' party and its Grand ol' leader were too busy making deals with Saddam Hussein. For that matter, neither did Dubya, so at least he has the advantage of ignorance on his side. Pity you cant say that about the rest of this White House.

Have you ever heard of a concept called "the lesser of two evils." Although I'm sure you probably believed that the Ayatollah represented a new, free beginning for Iran. I'm still waiting for the post that takes Truman down to the mat for supporting Joseph Stalin in WWII. Either way, you're just plain dumb or just plain hypocritical. Your arguements are so intellectually lazy...



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Give the lesser of two evils arguments to the millions of the gassed Kurds, bombed out Shiites, and 1.5 million dead Iranians. You know, all those poor slaughtered sods you now claim to represent.

"Although I'm sure you probably believed that the Ayatollah represented a new, free beginning for Iran."

I'm sure that no one believes that one. Not even the murdered thousands at the hands of the Shah's Savak. However, you believe that the presence of the Ayatollah was grounds on which to support a far more murderous maniac. In essence what you're saying is that supporting Saddam Hussein's murderous regime was fully warranted and justified. Go sleep on that one.



25 VectorVictor : The media fell all over themselves during the 2000 campaign when they "thought" that a Bush TV spot featured/highlighted the word "rat" (I think that
26 Jaysit : "No Democratic candidate has yet distanced themselves from this despicable display." Why should a Democratic candidate even respond to it, unless it e
27 L.1011 : Oh Jaysit I guess CNN is any better? Did you see that (in the great words of Darrell Hammond/Chris Matthews on Saturday Night Live) media hoar Paula Z
28 777236ER : The FACT is that FOX News is America's MOST WATCHED NEWS CHANNEL. That doesn't make it the most accurate or balanced. media hoar Paula Zahn (oh wait,
29 Post contains images JeffM : You don't have to spell whore correctly to condemn a news channel. Just don't watch it. Oh, and Gore was America's most voted for candidate, but he di
30 Jaysit : "Oh, and Gore was America's most voted for candidate, but he didn't win." You just proved 777236ER's point. Amen.
31 JeffM : No problem......! Doesn't change anything though does it... ? Carry on...
32 Post contains images 777fan : Easy on L.1011, per another thread, he was in the national spelling bee!
33 Dc10guy : At least Hilter served in the German army, and had military experience before he started his world conquest.
34 Post contains images JeffM : Yea, at least ..... Army experience is a requirement for world conquest....
35 Dc10guy : No but it helps ... I think ????
36 N79969 : Voodoo, My example is right on...we are discussing the people who made this video. Don't confuse the issue. And please do not forget that France, Russ
37 Klaus : N79969: Even comparing the US to pre-WW I Germany with the Kaiser is utterly ridiculous. The US not in throes of some ultranationalist movement. Sorry
38 Klaus : N79969: And please do not forget that France, Russia, and other countries armed Saddam to the teeth during the period you mention. Are you kidding? Br
39 Zak : great posting klaus! makes it unecessary to ammend anything!
40 Zak : ah one thing regarding the "bush vs hitler" thing. if germany had a new chancellor acting(including war in iraq for "humanitarian reasons") as unilate
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