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Why Won't Hillary Run?  
User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

If the concensus is that she's the only one on the Democratic side that could win, why doesn't she run?

-76M

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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Uh, maybe because she wouldn't win. Hillary has way too much baggage to run for President against a popular incumbent. Also, her numbers nationwide aren't that high except among the far left wing of the Democrat party.


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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Do you think she'll be the nominee in '08?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

The reason why she's not running is because she made a commitment to New York that she would serve out her full term as Senator, it was a pledge to quiet complaints about certain issues such as the fact that She "never" lived in NY before running for Senate.

People were saying that she was just "using" NY's Senate seat as a spring board for running for President, she countered by promising to fullfill her full term as Senator from the State of New York.

If she were to quit the Senate and run for President she would lose tons of support, especially in New York State.



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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Yes. She won't be up against an incumbent in 2008, and that will also allow the GOP the maximum amount of rope with which it could possibly hang itself .


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3607 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

LHMark is correct. God help us when Hitlery get in there.

User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

"hitlery", thats uncalled for.
yet the conservative right complains about bush being called hitler jr.



10=2
User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3607 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Hey, after what Bush is coming up with concerning illegal immigrants, I am starting to doubt him. I think opening up the borders is insane.

User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Zak's makes a very valid point.

User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1389 times:

I, too, would welcome Hillary with open arms at this point. I'm getting really disgusted with this administration using a culture of fear to manipulate and control the people of this country.

Actually, I'm more disappointed by how easy it is for them to do than the fact that it's happening.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3607 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

I think the ideal mix is to have a Republican president with Democratic House and Senate, or a Democrat President with Republican House and Senate. It just evens things out a lot more and allows for a more moderate management of the country.

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5358 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

I doubt Hillary will run this year for the reasons named above (her promise to finish out her term, the fact the GOP is strong right now) as well as the fact that she'd be better suited to campaign for whomever gets the Democratic nomination. She's smart enough to keep her head down during primary season and then come out full tilt for the nominee, raising funds for them, appearing with them when it's possible. Look at how much her book grossed - the woman commands a large amount of attention and where attention is, money often is. More than just ultra-left wing Democrats are interested in a Hillary presidency. So I think after '04 (assuming the Democratic nominee doesn't win, then I think she'd run in '08.) The big question is who's going to be the Republican nominee in '08...maybe it would be wise of G Dub to drop Cheney and get a new running mate so that he might groom them to run.


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

Hillary is waiting it out to recast herself.

By 2008 she will have cut her teeth as a foreign policy hawk, a civil libertarian, a social moderate, and a budget deficit hawk. All the usual barbs the GOP can throw at her will by then be blunted. Also, look for more pro-military legislation, and photo-ops with children in schools. At least Hillary will not be holding a book upside down, ala Dubya.

Right now, Hillary's experience and achievements on the Hill have been tepid at best, and she is still being depicted as some ultra-left Lady Macbeth by the right. By 2008, the woman will have done a Tina Turner turn, circa 1984, sans Ike (Bill) and with a new Mojo.


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

Jay,

You think she'll split from Bill?

-76M


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

Maybe because she made a vow that she wouldnt run? Once politicans start backtracking like that they lose votes. Besides she needs to serve an apprenticeship and new york is it, otherwise she wouldnt have enough experience and frankly during a war on terror you need experienced people.


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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

Zak's makes a very valid point.

As long as he keeps hiding it under his hat we won't laugh at it so much..

I thought Hillary couldn't run because she has a stick up her as$.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

You think she'll split from Bill?

Doubtful...
despite any real-life contempt she may have for him, as the virtual Don of the Democrat mob, he's just too valuable for her.

That... and do you really think Slick Willy will miss a chance at history-- i.e., the first First Master/First Husband/First Man/First XXXX/etc?!


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5358 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

-76M, I've got it on fairly good authority that Bill and Hill are practically separated...I wouldn't be surprised to see her ditch Bill formally in the recasting Jaysit's talking about.


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

"Doubtful...
despite any real-life contempt she may have for him, as the virtual Don of the Democrat mob, he's just too valuable for her."

I agree. For now at least.
I predict a renewal of their vows, and yet another boring maudlin book where she will explain what marriage means to her and how she rediscovered the meaning of Loretta Lynns song. Dems will eat it up, moderates will be moved to pull that lever for her, and the far right will scream at how Hillary has outdone them on the whole family values schtick. Bill will have to tame his big boy, or do what GW Bush Sr did - find a low key mistress who keeps quiet, likes to give head, and doesn't put a high value on cum stains on dresses.


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

ConcordeBoy -

"First Master" - I can pretty much guarantee you that the first male spouse to a female president won't be going by that name. Particularly not the first spouse to a Pres. HRC.

Jay - I've never even heard a rumor about GHWB and a mistress. Care to elaborate?

-76M


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

Jennifer Fitzgerald.
State Department, China bureau. Pretty high up in the pecking order.
Stoic, wasp, blond, late-40 something (back then) - more in the Camilla Parker mould, than the trashy types preferred by Bill. They had a relationship for nearly a decade, that ended shortly before the '92 election. Have no idea if GWB Sr messed around since then or before. However, looking at Babs, I hardly blame him. He was a pretty good looking guy in his prime, and Babs was well...Babs.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

As an aside, I have no idea if Ms Fitzgerald gave head or not.
But head is a good thing. To give or to get.
Maybe thats why Bill went out for some. Can't imagine HRC doing it. Or Babs for that matter.


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1318 times:


Why should she? She gets more attention if she does not run, could be the strongest Democratic contender, who never runs. If she runs & loses, then the strongest name in the democratic party would have been destroyed. Just look at Al Gore, media does not even pay attention to him anymore, the Gore endorsement of Dean lasted for what, "5" minutes.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5358 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

Definitely wouldn't be "First Master." According to Etiquette, only a man who has not earned his bachelor's degree is addressed as "Master." Weird, I know, but talk to Emily Post, not me.


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

Wow! I had never heard about this. I did find a story about it on Newsmax. Given Newsmax's conservative slant, if it's on there, while being critical of GHWB then it's got to be true.

For those of you who are interested:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/12/55616.shtml


25 Yyz717 : Hillary is an opportunist. She would run if she could win. Democrats know that GWB is unbeatable in 2004.
26 JeffM : Bingo! We have someone that finally said it. "ain't it da truth....ain't it da truth...."
27 Slamclick : An opinion unrestricted by realities . . . And without commenting on relative merit of the persons involved. She will not run this time. Not a sure th
28 Post contains links Goose : At least Hillary will not be holding a book upside down, ala Dubya. You mean, these pictures? Hrm.... http://www.snopes.com/photos/bushbook.asp [Edite
29 Jaysit : "Hillary is an opportunist. " Which politician isnt?
30 Post contains images Roadrunner165 : Why Wont Hillary Run? Bush Is Just To Good!!! Adam AS Rocks!!!
31 Maiznblu_757 : Hilary wont run because her titties bounce to much, making them sore.
32 Maiznblu_757 : Its the truth. Uncle Chad never lied to ya.
33 IMisspiedmont : She will not run because of her promise? Oooooooooooook, sure. YYZ717 had it right, she could not win this year, She is hoping for a weak GOP canidate
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