Neo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 7 Posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 987 times:
Effective on Jan 1st, all Americans are to be photographed and take finger printed when entering Brazil. This new measure used by the Brazilian government is in response to the new requirements for Brazilian citizens to enter the U.S. As reported, the brazilian government intends to maintain this procedures as long as this new requirements go along.
Just to remember that Americans need a visa to enter Brazil as Brazilian need to enter the U.S. In the other hand europeans do not need visa to enter Brazil, therefore brazilians don't need visa to enter to European countries.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2902 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 979 times:
This is consistent with the tit-for-tat $100 "handling fee" that Brazil imposes on U.S. citizens obtaining tourist visas to Brazil, and now the fingerprinting. I remember when I went to get my Brazilian visa that all the signs at the consulate stressed that the visa itself was free, but the charge was merely to reciprocate for the charge imposed on Brazilian citizens visiting the U.S.
While this is annoying as a practical matter, it's an interesting response, and in my opinion completely justified. I believe that Brazil has every right to require the same of U.S. visitors that the U.S. does of Brazilian visitors...fair's fair.
Neo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 972 times:
Yeah, that's true.... Some east european countries still require visa to brazilian visitors, this way they also need visa to visit Brazil.. However they don't have to pay the U$ 100,00 fee.
In my opinion this is somewhat unecessary, although it in Brazil's is right to do so.
The thing which is bugging some brazilians is that this new requirements are only beeing imposed to citizens of some countries.... citzens of countries that do not need visa to get into the US will not be imposed to this new requirements. Therefore some people think it is somehow a matter of discrimination.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2902 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 961 times:
Neo, that is interesting that some Brazilians think it is discrimination. I would think people in Brazil would support this sort of reciprocity. Are people worried that it will hurt tourism by making Brazil less appealing to U.S. citizens? I am curious to hear the Brazilian perspective on this.
DeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 935 times:
The reciprocity in and of itself is an acceptable principle, at least to me. I have no problem with going through what Brazilians have to go through when they come to my country.
Friends of mine who are much more knowledgable about Brazilian politics than I am, however, seem to think that it's really more a case of Lula grandstanding than anything else. Neo, what's your opinion on that?
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Neo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 879 times:
Fox Bravo..... when i said brazilians think it was discrimination, i ment that they felt discriminated that they need to be fingerprinted and citizens from many other countries do not!
In the other hand some people think that this could somehow hurt tourism, turning Brazil less appealing to American tourists, although the majority of tourist that come to brazil are europeans.
In my opinion this restriction may not last for long, at least not in all intl airports. For example, in GIG yesterday if i'm not mistaken, visitors coming from the US did not have to be photographed and fingerprinted. The only reason why this new requirements were adopted, was to attend the right of reciprocity., that's all....i guess.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2902 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 867 times:
Oh I see. That makes more sense. Anyway, I don't think that it will hurt tourism...I think that those Americans who want to visit Brazil (which everyone should, I think!) will do so regardless of whether they need to be fingerprinted. And again, I think it is completely fair for Brazil to impose the same requirements on Americans that we impose on Brazilians.
Slamclick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 69 Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 863 times:
I was at the Embraer factory in Sao Jose Dos Campos several years ago picking up an airplane. It was late. They even joked that if Embraer ever delivered an airplane on time that big statue of Christ at Corcovado would clap its hands. (do they still say that at Embraer?) They treated me well during the delay and I got a serious tour of their facilities.
There were posters near many of the telephones reminding users that the phones were non-secure. I don't read Portuguese but the cartoon was pretty obvious. It showed two people talking over a phone line which was tapped. The "spy" at the tap? Washington DC. (spelled vuochinton and complete with the Capital building)
That is who Brazil saw as a threat in 1980.
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