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Happy Anniversary Guantanomo Prisoners  
User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

This week marks the second anniversary in Joint Task Force 160's primary mission in taking care of captured enemy combatants from the war on terrorism.

JTF 160 was established in support of detainee operation activities in Guantanomo Bay, Cuba as the Holding Facility for Al Qaeda, Taliban or other terrorist personnel that come under United States control as a result of the ongoing War on Terrorism.

These prisoners continue to be well treated while their fate will continue to be determined by the United States government. And as the prisoners motto has become known, "Perpetual Vacationers, We aint goin' nowhere" continues to be true to the word, many around the world wonder what acts may have been done by these detainees had it not been for their capture.

So when those who scream that "this is an outrage", there are those of us who are thankful that these combatants are out of business.





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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Let's sing a song for them.

That's the sound of the man working on the CHAIN GANG!



Ok everybody now.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

lol. dude you're an idiot to give a damn about them like that. Why don't you send them a truck-load of Hallmarks while you're at it...  Laugh out loud


The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineQuebecair727 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Two years without trials; two years without seeing the lawyer, two years held in a prison without knowing when they will eventually come out.

I don't see any difference between between Siberia's Goulag and this except for the nicer temperature.

No matter the crime, a humanbeing deserve a fair trial. I would expect the "FREEDOM LEADER of the WORLD" to set the example on how to treat prisonners in a civilized manner. The Land of the Free and Home of the Braves is showing the world the opposite. Do what I say, not what I do.

I have long admired the great country that is our neigbourgh and I am still. But sometimes, I question myself about you.



User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4980 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Question: Just how do you know that each and every one of these detainees actually IS a terrorist?

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

They don't, US law states that if you help a criminal you are therefore an accesory and just as guilty. They fought against us, and are part of the Taliban, which housed OBL, and therefore they ARE terrorists.

Just us appling our way of justice on another country of people, like the Conquistidors of the 1500's did in early America. God bless them!



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

They don't.

That is why there have been a couple hundred that have been released in the past two years.

Just wasn't any reason to suspect that they where terrorists.


Releases from Gitmo......Things the media chooses not to report.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Anyone know what's going to happen to them?

Staffan


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

Nope not yet, that is why they are still there.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGc From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2003, 356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

" They fought against us, and are part of the Taliban, which housed OBL, and therefore they ARE terrorists."

Actually check your facts, a lot off them were picked up off the street or raids in towns, usually on hearsay from tenious sources, or were jsut caught up ina sweep. They deserve a trial at least. Even the Nazis got that and we knew they were guilty.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

Actually check your facts, a lot off them were picked up off the street or raids in towns, usually on hearsay from tenious sources, or were jsut caught up ina sweep. They deserve a trial at least.

A lot of those guys have allready been sent home.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

They don't, US law states that if you help a criminal you are therefore an accesory and just as guilty. They fought against us, and are part of the Taliban, which housed OBL, and therefore they ARE terrorists.

Good, then charge them with that and let's get over the Illegal Combatant controvercy, shall we? I read that the US were starting to set up the military tribunals that were going to precide over the very very few cases that so far have been decided to be tried. I say it's about time.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

The US is trying to set up a process to make sure these guys are treated fairly, and the world complains that the US isn't going quickly enough.

When you go too quickly that is when bad things happen.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Yet Saddam is going to have his trial in only a few months? And that's despite the fact that more and more allegations are brought forward (especially from Kuwait - I wonder if we'll see the "Ripped newborn babies from their cribs" charge  Insane).

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

I see that "few months" on Saddam when it happens.

Frankly I think that is optimistic.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

I don't see any difference between between Siberia's Goulag

Hmmm, you don't? Perhaps you should consider that these prisioners are well fed, well treated, have access to medical care and are for the most part in better health than when they arrived. A comparision to a Goulag couldn't be further from the truth.

But than again no matter what the U.S. does with respect to these detainees, it will never please our critics.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Let's leave the case of the American held without trial or charge or access to lawyers in Virginia, and focus on the foreign citizens.

These people are classed as POWs by the UN and the Red Cross, yet are not classed as POWs by the US. They're held in conditions in breach of the Geneva Convention.

None have been charged. None have had a trial. None have had access to lawyers.

All this from a country that purports to know more about freedom than any other, and forcefully exports its own brand of freedom to countries it feels deserve it.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

no matter what the U.S. does with respect to these detainees, it will never please our critics

Short of charging them with some crime and prosecuting them with due process, alas no.

Ironically the US has themselves to blame for that. The noble principles that the country was founded on and that generations have fought to defend have been exported to the world who now expect the US to practice as they preach. For the US to act in this manner in blatant disregard of their own fundamental principles is unacceptable to anybody who has ever subscribed to the American brand of freedom.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

The US is trying to set up a process to make sure these guys are treated fairly, and the world complains that the US isn't going quickly enough.

Holding people for two years without being charged, having a trial or having access to lawyers is quite a long time...


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

For the US to act in this manner in blatant disregard of their own fundamental principles is unacceptable to anybody who has ever subscribed to the American brand of freedom.

Everything changed on 9-11. The US must look after its own now.

If nothing else, this should serve as a reminder to those who would choose to associate with the Taliban et al.....that they shouldn't.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

If nothing else, this should serve as a reminder to those who would choose to associate with the Taliban et al.....that they shouldn't.

And a reminder to those who were at the wrong place at the wrong time, those who names happen to be on "the list", and those who just happen to have the wrong skin colour that Big Brother has no regard for freedom, or even its own laws, and will hold you indefinatly without charge, a trial or legal representation.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1300 times:

and those who just happen to have the wrong skin colour

Stop race baiting 777236ER.  Insane . Its very boring. The US did not arrest the entire country of Afghanistan....just a few hundred suspected Taliban members.

If you're truly concerned about Afghan human rights (as opposed to taking another pot shot at the US), you'll see how much improved human rights are in Afghanistan now since the Taiban is gone.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1290 times:

just a few hundred suspected Taliban members.

Exactly. Suspects. They haven't been charged, tried, convicted and they don't even have lawyers!

Do you condone that?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1289 times:

"If you're truly concerned about Afghan human rights (as opposed to taking another pot shot at the US), you'll see how much improved human rights are in Afghanistan now since the Taiban is gone."

Well, lots of women still wear the burka because their husbands want them to, if you're not in Kabul, your life is just as threatened as it was during the Taliban years, and warlords still dictate what the vast majority of Afghans has to do.

Care to elaborate "how much improved human rights are in Afghanistan now since the Taiban is gone"?



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1286 times:

They haven't been charged, tried, convicted and they don't even have lawyers!

Do you condone that?


What I don't condone is your race-baiting comments that the US will arrest you if they don't like your skin colour.....that was a cheap comment.

As for condoning the arrest of the Taliban members, I have faith in the US justice system...many have been released already.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 777236ER : As for condoning the arrest of the Taliban members, I have faith in the US justice system...many have been released already. But many haven't. Doesn't
26 Yyz717 : 777236ER....are you going to reverse your comment that the US will arrest you if they don't like your skin colour?
27 777236ER : Well that depends, doesn't it? Without a fair trial, who knows why the people at Guantanamo were "arrested"?
28 Aloges : L-188: "Releases from Gitmo......Things the media chooses not to report." Just as it chooses not to report incarcerations. Yyz717: "777236ER....are yo
29 Slamclick : So why is John Walker Lindh not at Gitmo? If he was arrested in Marin County for carrying an AK-47 they'd be clamoring for his execution. But because
30 Post contains images Aloges : "But because he carried an assault rifle in Afghanistan they view him as a freedom fighter." Who does? I certainly don't, since he was captured in fla
31 777236ER : And we can certainly prevent "outrages" like this is the future. Simply stop taking prisoners. So instead of taking POWs/giving people fair trials, yo
32 777236ER : Yyz 717, from another thread: Not demanding a fair trial for the detainees and Guantanamo merely means that the US deserves the time to properly vet t
33 Aloges : 777236ER, I don't think he meant to say that. Calm down, sir, that was way over the top. EDIT: referring to reply no. 31[Edited 2004-01-11 23:56:41]
34 777236ER : Aloges, he was implying the soldiers should shoot the enemy, rather than taking prisoners.
35 Aloges : I fear (and hope) you're wrong, as he stated his opinion in another thread: "And most of us in the United States now understand that we no longer have
36 Photopilot : I have faith in the US justice system...many have been released already. And there's the problem right there. These detainees in Gitmo are NOT protec
37 Commander_Rabb : Result.... The US has no respect, no moral high ground, and is condemned in the eyes of the world. That's a surefire way to obtain peace and safety fo
38 Aloges : But how do you know that all of the prisoners held at Guantanamo are "scoundrels" and would instantly try to perform terrorist attacks against the Uni
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