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User currently offlineEGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14075 times:

Who do YOU think will be the major 10 military countries in the world..

Here's mine (not in any order)

China
India
Europe (UK, Germany, France etc as a major union)
USA
Israel
Russia
Indonesia
Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
Korea?

I know im probably wrong with my predictions but hey...

Regards..

Chris


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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14033 times:

It'd be nice to see the Arab League finally get their collective sh*t together by 2050 - in at least a monetary and economic union. The Gulf Cooperation Council might play a good part in that.....

Indonesia? hrm, maybe. But they have some internal strife and problems they have to deal with first.

I can see a breakdown like this;

USA
China
India
Europe (France-Germany-Russia)
UK
Arab League



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16812 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14026 times:

Saudi Arabia is a small country population wise, they really are not going to be a large military force (not even in the Middle East).

The one glaring example missing from your list is Brazil, huge and growing population!

Top 10 Military powers projecting 50 years into the future..

United States
China
Russia
India
Brazil
UK, France, Italy, Spain
Pakistan
Indonesia
Israel

and finally my big prediction for "new" military force..

Japan.

Japan is slowly taking steps after 60 years of a self defense force towards becoming a military power, they recently approved the deployment of their military overseas to participate in Operation Iraqi freedom.

They operate Aegis Destroyers, F-15s, P-3 etc..

With China flexing it's military power Japan has no choice but to once again become a military force to act as a deterent with the United States against China and North Korea.




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User currently offlineEGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14023 times:

Do you think the UK would really stand alone?

Regards..

Chris


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14021 times:

There was a good article in the WSJ recently about how Japan is rebuilding the military. (bring back the Samurai Big grin) I remember one point that in the past Japanese troops on UN missions did not even carry guns !


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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14015 times:

United States of America
United Kingdom
People's Republic of China
Republic of Japan
Republic of India


User currently offlineEGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14011 times:

I don't have a problem with Japan having military capabilities simply because what has happened in the past should be forgotten.. after all look at Germany!

Do you think the UK would stand alone?

Personally, I would love the UK, USA and Canada join to make one super military union. Although it will never happen  Sad DAMN EU!

Brazil...Well I can understand why you put them down as a power but I can't really seem them becoming a major military power..

Regards..

Chris

[Edited 2004-01-14 02:46:42]

User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14008 times:

Do you think the UK would really stand alone?

I have a feeling that countries like Canada and Australia - not to mention some former British colonies in Africa and the Carribbean - might start moving back into the "British Sphere" on their own within 50 years. I'm not talking a new British Empire, but a more cooperative form of the current Commonwealth.

Most people in my country forget that, up until 60 years ago or so, being Canadian was considered being British - much the same way that being Welsh or English made someone British. People felt much the same way about Australians or New Zealanders. It was very different for other nations of the Empire - Indians, for example - who had a very different and distinct culture, even under British rule.

Canada is increasingly becoming divergant from its closest friend and military ally lately, and unfortunately I don't see that as a trend which will reverse unless Canada sees a change of governing Party. Even then, we might be on our way out from under the "American umbrella" to fumble and find our own course..... which I can see leading back to Britain.



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User currently offlineEGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14003 times:

I would love to see some form of British Empire back..

It would be such a fantastic union of countries..

Imagine the ... UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, India and South Africa all together again. I know there are many other countries that were in the commonwealth but I guess these would be the main countries that might form an alliance with the UK....to create a major power!

Regards..

Chris


User currently offlineQantasforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13980 times:

L.1011:Republic of Japan

Actually Japan is a constitutional monarchy.

Imagine the ... UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, India and South Africa all together again. I know there are many other countries that were in the commonwealth but I guess these would be the main countries that might form an alliance with the UK....to create a major power!

You mean they would all join with Australia to make a major power  Big grin

There is absolutely no way on gods green earth that this would ever ever happen. The countries are far too different now and all have different areas of focus. The Pacific region has NZ's full attention, Africa consumes South Africa, Australia is parading around as the Asian sherrif, Canada lends a hand around the place from time to time and the UK has it's own agenda altogether.

There are still some small historical ties between these countries but these are independent nations with their own allies and foreign policy.

I'm not sure how the New Zealanders would like a collaboration with the British considering their Nuclear submarine fleet?

And India couldn't be more different from the imperial conquest it used to be.

Alliances in the future will form as a result of common ideologies not historical bonds.

As for my country, Australia - I believe through a strong relationship with the United States it will become a larger military power than what it is now and will participate in international military actions on a large scale. However, it will never have the kind of population the chinese or the indians have and will therefore probably continue to invest in intelligence and remote or human-less technology rather than million man armies.

QFF


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13981 times:

Here is mine, probably different then a lot of yours, but hey its my opinion, and in order from most powerful to least:

1) USA

2) EU (after all the countries combine and become one military might)

3) China

4) Russia

5) Some sort of an Arab Alliance



Chris




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User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13956 times:

China

Russia

European Union

US


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13941 times:

USA
EU
China
Russia
Israel




-NWA742


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5361 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13937 times:

1) US
2) Russian Federation
3) EU
4) People's Republic of China
5) India



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User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13936 times:

Here are mine:

US
Russia
China
Israel
GB

I really don't think arab leagues would make it in. They first have to get their culture/society out of the middle ages, and I don't think that can be accomplished in a mere 45 or so years.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13933 times:

Russia's population is declining and right now they are riding the wave of the cold war. Except those waves are about to hit the shore and within a decade they're going to get left behind as a military power.

China will have the biggest military as far as manpower
United States will probably (really not sure) still be the most powerful
EU I don't expect much because of Europeans' more pacifistic outlook
India a regional superpower for sure, not sure about world

And someone with the bomb will have blown the world up anyway because he was a stupid terrorist who has to go ruin it for the rest of us. Humph.

By 2050 will the United States as the only country to use nuclear weapons in a major way? By then it'll have been over a century ago to boot.


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2770 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13926 times:

Top 10 Military powers at 2050.

My choices are:

USA
China
India
United Kingdom
Japan
New Iraqi Republic
North Korea
Mexico
Canada EH!
France



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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13920 times:

Canada? Oh please. Let's be realistic.

User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13918 times:

There are still some small historical ties between these countries but these are independent nations with their own allies and foreign policy.

Small historical ties? Canada, Australia and New Zealand weren't even nations before British colonization. Each still has strong ties to the Mother Country - from how they govern themselves (based on the British Parliamentary system) to their law, which is pretty much still British law with a few changes in places like Canada.

Up until the 60s the Union Jack was still an official Canadian flag - and many Provincial capitol buildings still fly it at the place of honour. Make no mistake, you can't wash the British influence out of our nations, no matter how hard some people would like to scrub.

And if you look at the close allies of Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the UK... you'll notice that other than each other, their largest ally is the United States. After the US... well, most of them oddly have their closest "friendships" and alliances with nations which have their roots in the old Empire. Canada has friends in Africa, like Tanzania, Kenya, Nigeria, Botswana..... Australia and NZ have Malaysia, Singapore, Papua New Guinea, the Solomons..... see a trend?



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5361 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13917 times:

Well, allow me to defend some of my choices:

Russian Federation - I believe Russia will stay a military power as their nation stabilizes and, perhaps, exploitation of mineral reserves begins, thus funnelling some much needed money into the Russian defense system. When the USSR fell, the Russian/Soviet military had a ton of designs on the boards that would definitely have closed the technological gap between Warsaw Pact and NATO forces. As of right now, those designs are a generation behind in some cases and still current generation in others. The money to be made on export sales alone would cause the Russians to stay a major military power/manufacturer

The EU - As we've all seen, the Europeans have traditionally formed coalitions and alliances to build aircraft, Airbus in the case of civilian passenger liners, but more particularly the consortiums that built the Jaguar, Tornado, and the Typhoon, points to the ability of the Europeans to cobble together disparate weapons programs and disparate needs and create an aircraft that, while not being the best in any one area, is a decent all-around aircraft. It is imaginable that the European Union will soon band together as a single group to produce its weapons systems, in order to reduce costs for otherwise expensive weapons systems and to increase commonality among NATO partners. Thus, the EU would be functioning as a nation-state in the realm of defense. Economically the EU, of course, generates a great amount of wealth as four members of the EU, Italy, Britain, France, and Germany, are members of the G8. Combine technological know-how with money and a history of working together for common defense goals, and I believe the EU can become a military power

India - (God help me if Roy reads this) India's in the midst of attempting to, without a shadow of a doubt, move to becoming a big boy on the block military, especially in regards to their Navy, the traditional yardstick of a military power, as they wish to form the nucleus of an actual blue-water navy. The Indians have repeatedly expressed interest in the purchase or construction of an aircraft carrier that would far outstrip the abilities of the Viraat and have (on again/off again) expressed desire to purchase the Admiral Gorshkov, a first step towards a blue water carrier force. Not only that, we've seen them in the past 10 years alone, commission the Delhi-class destroyers, the Talwar-class frigates, the Brahmaputra-class frigates, the Kukhri-class corvettes, take on delivery of a few Kilo-class boats as well as the Shishumar-class boats. Now the Indians are getting delivery of French-built boats and begin to express interest in having SSNs and, perhaps a few SSBNs. That's a fairly major build-up/fleet-modernization cycle. I'd say given 50 years of continued economic growth and the Indians will definitely be a major military power checked only by the US in the Indian Ocean.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4190 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13911 times:

Lord help us if the "arab league" is a major military power....


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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13898 times:

USA
UK
Israel
Japan

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineGc From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2003, 356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13881 times:

"The "Arab League" as you put it has been humiliated by the American far-right, the Arab people have been raped by the marauding Americans. I would be surprised if God still remained on your side!

Your leaders may scream about "MY God being stronger than theirs" (Who said this again?)., but I believe that there is one god for everybody (you call him Christ, Arabs call him Allah). And This God stays firmly on the side of justice. Consdiering the despicable way in which American leaders have behaved, I would be surprised if God would come to your help!"

The Arab nations made their own bed, especially when they declared in 1948 that they wished to commit genocide against the Jews who'd managed to turn the marshiest shittiest land in Palestine / Trans Jordan into a fertile prosporous land. Where's the justice where very large Arab nations invade a tiny new country (where a lot of the Jewish part of which was largely unhabited and bought from some wealthy Arab land owners) on the day the declare independance. Might I add only three years after a war that killed 6 million plus of their race. The Arabs wanted a purely Arab palestine, even though the mandate gave them Jordan.

With the exception of the Lebanon, which seems to have a bit of sense and is moving forward internationally and democratically, the Arab nations are just as bad as any other nations, but the west gets the blame for everything. It'stime other nations took responsibilty for the bloody mess we're in now. No wonder everyone's armed to the teeth and paranoid. Just look at the mess you're in because of Kashmir (oh, that's different isn't it). It'll be the west who comes in to help with aid and rebuilding if India and Pakistan nuke each other.

If the Arab nations took more responsibility for the security and stability of their region it would have solved half the world's current problems.


 Angry



User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13873 times:

The breakdown of countries:
IN ORDER

U.S.A, Current #1
U.K,Current #3
China, Current #8
Japan, Current #9
India, Current #6
Pakistan, Current #5
Russia, Current #7
(in EU)
Germany, Current #2
France, Current # 4

I didn't list the Arab nations bcoz the situation with Israel is still uncertain. Russia once again will try to compete with the U.S, and don't bash me, but I have a feeling that another 'cold war' era may arrive soon, especially with China. Why? China believes it is the center of the world, its Chinese name, Zhong Guo, means 'Center of the World', and many Chinese citizens polled will fight to their death for the country at any time, for possibly any cause. Though, this may change by 2050. No offence guys, but I believe that China, Russia and the Middle East would be a problem in the future for the world. Brazil?? No. They tried developing nukes, gave up, and u gotta be kidding me if their citizens want to fight for the death. They've got many internal problems. Just look at the 'retaliation' attempt made by the govt to start photographing and fingerprinting Americans. This action will only hurt their country' tourism. Indonesia will continue to be a terrorist hotbed no matter what you hear. It's hard to stop terrorists once you've started them. Once again, no hard feelings, I'm just excercising my freedom of speech!




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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13856 times:

Actually Japan is a constitutional monarchy.

Actually it's an empire.



- The US will still be strong, but they will face major financial problems in the 20 next years (they will have to pay back one day all the money borrowed by Bush). And the economy of the US is largely based on the low price of oil, which is a situation changing slowly.
- The EU will have a serious demography problem.

Then I think China is a good candidate to become a superpower.
Japan also.


25 Sebolino : China believes it is the center of the world, its Chinese name, Zhong Guo, means 'Center of the World' Doesn't it means "middle territory" instead ?
26 ConcordeBOAC : That's nearly 50 years away, even with the pacifist (well mostly) leaders in the EU, I can't think of many 50 year stretches where no current EU count
27 L.1011 : Qantasforever, whoops your right. I should have written Empire of Japan. The head of state is the emperor.
28 Marcus : Here is my list... USA China India Pakistan Israel EU Russian Federation Brazil Japan Indonesia I don't think Mexico would be on that list like someon
29 Qantasforever : Goose - Actually the nations you've listed had people living on them and were made up of many smaller countries within themselves. Most Australian nat
30 Yanksn4 : USA will always be the world's most powerful and futuristic military. 2.ISRAEL 3.CHINA The EU will never form an army because since they are mainly li
31 Zak : i think this thread is a premiun example of the hilarious nonsense going on in some peoples brains. i have no clue nor am i able to take an educated g
32 Klaus : Yanksn4: The EU will never form an army because since they are mainly liberals, they'll downsize it to nothing. Wrong. We´ve had a joint franco-germa
33 Commander_Rabb : Looking back to the past, at least we will not see Germany considering their record in the 20th century. Nor will we see Japan. Russia is still a ques
34 Sebolino : USA will always be the world's most powerful and futuristic military. What is that statement based on, except pure misplaced national pride ?
35 Post contains images Klaus : Commander_Rabb: Looking back to the past, at least we will not see Germany considering their record in the 20th century. That´s quite unlikely, indee
36 EGFFbmi : Expect the UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Holland to be the main powers in a EU military power! Regards.. Chris
37 Donder10 : USA will at some point face severe internal struggle due to the fact that the u.s. economy has not gone through consolidation due to globalization pr
38 EGGD : Can I just say, if we're judging anything on population then we aren't going to get anywhere. Nearly every country in the world will have a declining
39 Post contains images Klaus : Donder10: Perhaps so but I wouldn't exactly regard Belgium and Luxembourg(even Germany) as major military players. Since we´re not looking for world
40 Post contains images Donder10 : Just don´t underestimate what determination and steady work can achieve in the long run. We´ve always been in it for the long haul, you know... Sinc
41 Post contains images Klaus : I think you´re missing a few things... But let´s just say we´re talking about this again in 46 years, okay?
42 NoUFO : It would probably be easier to issue a weather forecast for January 18, 2050 (London: foggy in the morning, heavy rain in the evening - Bingo! A 70% c
43 Post contains images Donder10 : We don't even know how military strength will be measured in 2050. By 2050 all military power will be self-controller or via remote control Tandy will
44 Post contains images Manni : Why anyone even would consider Israel to be a major military power in 2050 is beyond my imagination. The way things are going right now in the Middle
45 Jwenting : USSR PRC India France Germany The USA and the rest of Europe will have cut their own armed forces so much they'll have been unable to withstand invasi
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