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Democrat Front-runners: Your Thoughts?  
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4524 posts, RR: 15
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Well, it's getting ever closer to the Iowa primaries, so maybe its a better time to bring this question up than the last time I asked.  Wink/being sarcastic


Checking the polls, its no surprise that Howard Dean is the front-runner of the democratic candidates for president in 04. Nipping at his heels though, in some cases just two percentage points off, is Wesley Clark, followed by Joe Lieberman.

The race is tightening and its interesting just how close Wesley Clark is to catching Dean in the polls, and Lieberman's thrid place isn't so distant anymore.

By comparison, Gephart, Kerry, and Sharpton are much farther behind and the rest stand pretty much no chance of getting the nomination.


So, if we're to focus on just the three front runners of this race....currently Joe Liberman, Howard Dean, and Wesley Clark, which do you most support?


I'd consider myself an independent because I dont vote along party lines, I vote for who I most support, regardless of whether they're democrat or republican. In the case of this election, I'm very much opposed to re-electing Bush.


There's problems with each of these candidates, but I'm curious as to who you lean towards? It's probably a given that Dean will come out on top in the Iowa primary, but which candidate do YOU most want to become the nominee for president?


If forced to pick between the three, I'd probably have to go with Dean, even though I dont like him very much, and here's why:

Firstly, I dont know much about Wesley Clark. When he first entered the race the media was all over him, but now he tends to take a back seat to Dean, and I havent seen nor heard much about him at all recently. And also there's concerns on my part that perhaps he'd turn out to be another hawk, which is probably what this country doesnt need.

As for Joe, I like Joe, he'd probably make an okay president. The reason I wouldnt vote for him, though, is because again I dont know too much about him. And there's also the question of whether arab governments would be willing at all to work with Jewish president. I have no problem with a jewish president, but they might, and that's something to consider, unfortunately.


Of the democrats that stand unlikely to win the nomination, I support Kerry. But I doubt he'll gain the top spot in the polls.



So of the three front runners, who's your pick? I'd love to hear your thoughts about this.

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Clark has the best chance to beat Bush. But he and his campaign need more focus and fire.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Actually I think Gephardt would have the best chance.

Clark appears a bit unstable. And wait until he becomes a frontrunner with all the attention that comes with it. I believe he'd blow it.




You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

I think all of them are just cancelling each other out...none of them look particularly "gleaming''...is that the best yall can do?

Bush in 04!

DeltaGuy  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

They are running out of fingers to point. Like a bunch of grade school boys being asked by the principal .. "who did it...?"



User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

I don't really care for any of the front runners. The one thing that I liked about Clark was that he supported the action in Iraq, but he doesn't hold that position any more. As for Dean and Kerry, they are a little too far to the left for my tastes.

If Lieberman recieves the nomination from the DNC, then I'll vote for him--he's the only person who could do better than the current administration.

In other words, I'll probably be voting Republican.

-Normal,
A moderate


User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

"They are running out of fingers to point."

Exactly! Kerry and Dean are making claims about each other and Bush that are basically counterfactual. It's freakin' circus already.

-Normal

Go PATS!!!


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Even the winner out of all this will still get the same view as the #2 sled dog has come election time..

User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 984 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

I'm still hoping for Dennis Kucinich to pull an upset. I agree with most of his platform and think he's the only candidate that has clear cut views. In the debates he doesn't bs and provides workable solutions to the problems questioned. He wasthe only one not to vote for the patriot act as well the war in iraq. I suggest taking a look at his website if you haven't yet: http://www.kucinich.us/index.php






peace


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4524 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Wow, I hadnt really taken a look at Kucinich, but that article on his front page just impressed me! Big grin

User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Dean would be my pick... followed by Edwards and then Kerry... The other ones I don't like, Especially Liberman.




I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Dennis the Troll pull an upset? I doubt it. He hasn't risen above 5% in any state's polling numbers. His economic ideas are borderline socialist and he would leave our country very unprotected. He would be a better candidate on the Watermelon party's ticket.

It really doesn't matter, the only candidate who could actually provide a moderate challenge to Bush is Dick Gephardt. Edwards is too easily picked apart. Kerry could only win a few Northeastern states and a few very liberal ones. Leiberman is too dull and is essentially a clone of GW Bush (I would actually consider voting for Leiberman).

Dean and Clark are the jokes of the election. If either one win the democratic nomination, Bush could start writing his 2005 State of the Union speech immediately. Dean is essentially the Alpha1 liberal--angry, full of manufactured hate, and he appeals to people like Alpha1. Unfortunately for the Dems, the rest of the voters are so turned off by this kind of negative candidate that it is a completely losing proposition. Now things are going well in Iraq, Dean has no decent platform to stand on. Everything he says rings hollow--the economy, Iraq, War on Terror...etc.

As for Clark--he's whatever you want him to be (as long as it will raise poll numbers) and a complete hot head too. The GOP could have fun with someone like Clark--I mean, he's flip-flopped on so many issues that the GOP could essentially have infomercials about the total phoniness of his platforms. He proved himself to be a total hothead while in the military.

Don't get me wrong, the Dems could pick Gephardt and Bush would still win fairly easily. The Dems have shot themselves in the foot in this election and NOTHING can help them--especially nominating Dean.

In a future thread I plan to show state by state how I expect the electoral votes to be cast for each Dem candidate vs. Bush.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

As it stands now, the Iowa race is in a dead-heat between Dean, Kerry, and Gephardt, with Edwards nipping at their heals. New Hampshire is basically tied between Clark and Dean. Although I think either Clark or Dean would make excellent cantidates (one must take all of the recent negative media coverage they have recieved with a grain of salt), I think Edwards is being overlooked as a very viable cantidate. He's a friendly, down to earth, humble man who could pull a lot of key swing votes in the South. He has also remained consistent on most issues. He, unlike most of the other cantidates on both sides truly understands most average middle/working class Americans. Contrary to popular belief, he is not weak when it comes to foreign policy or homeland security. He has served in the Senate intelligence committee during most of his term which is a great crash-course in foreign affairs. Anyway, he probably won't get elected, but it'd be amazing to see him pull Iowa off.

User currently offline777YYC From Canada, joined May 2000, 744 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Don't kid yourselves, people, if Wes Clark wins the nomination he'll DESTROY Bush.
When it comes to anger it seems to me that the pot is calling the kettle black. Both parties are angry and fired up at each other. Remember how mad Republicans get at Clinton? Even though he was right-wing to a certain extent.

PS:

Democratic Front-runners is the proper way to say it. "Democrat Party" is a disparaging term.


PPS:
In regards to calling the Green Party "Watermelon", take a look at Political Compass and learn the difference between Authoritarian and Libertarian. Calling Greens "watermelon" is like saying Ayn Rand is the same as Augusto Pinochet.





User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

I like Clark compared to the others.

Did you call Clinton "right wing"?

Have not seen any anger from Republicans.... Give us a link if you can..

That is one monster sized 'if' in your first sentence....He has a long, long way to go to win the nod from the Democratic party...


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Don't kid yourselves, people, if Wes Clark wins the nomination he'll DESTROY Bush.

You want to make a friendly $500 wager on that?

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about or are just an EXTREMELY hopeful person. Wesley Clark has already been torn apart in the media just for the primaries, could you imagine what they'd do to him in the national elections. Like I said earlier, Clark could be picked apart by the Bush campaign with relative ease. One day he's for the war in Iraq, the next day he's not. One day he's for the Bush tax cuts, the next day is not. Hell, the guy even voted Republican in recent elections. He was a proven hothead in the military and his actions caused the deaths of hundreds of civilians in Serbia. He makes dumb statements at unopportune times. But, hell, why am I telling you this. I'm in a betting kind of mood!

Democratic Front-runners is the proper way to say it. "Democrat Party" is a disparaging term.

Uhhhh, right.

In regards to calling the Green Party "Watermelon", take a look at Political Compass and learn the difference between Authoritarian and Libertarian. Calling Greens "watermelon" is like saying Ayn Rand is the same as Augusto Pinochet.

The Green Party's platforms are socialist:

Taxable Basic Income Grants for all, structured into the progressive income tax, that guarantee an adequate income sufficient to maintain a modest standard of living. Start at $500/week ($26,000/year) for a family of four, with $62.50/week ($3,250/year) adjustments for more or fewer household members in 2000 and index to the cost of living.

A guaranteed right to job. Full employment through community-based public works and community service jobs programs, federally financed and community controlled.

A single-payer National Health Program to provide free medical and dental care for all, with freedom of choice for consumers among both conventional and alternative health care providers, federally financed and controlled by democratically elected local boards.

Abolish the disproportional, aristocratic US Senate. Create a single-chamber US Congress, elected by a system of mixed-member proportional representation that combines district representatives elected by preference voting and party representatives seated in proportion to each party's vote.

Require breakup of any firm with more than 10% market share unless it makes a compelling case every five years in a public regulatory proceeding that it serves the public interest to keep the firm intact.

Establish the right of workers at every enterprise over 10 employees to elect supervisors and managers and to determine how to organize work.

Enact a steeply progressive tax on net wealth over $2.5 million (the top 5% of households)..

Build into the progressive income tax a 100% tax on all income over ten times the minimum wage.

Fund Social Security, Health Care, Unemployment Insurance, and Workers Compensation out of progressive income and wealth taxes.

Time to hit the Poli Sci books again, I guess.







America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offline777YYC From Canada, joined May 2000, 744 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2654 times:

You're right, they are Socialists. I never denied that, I see it as a good thing. My point is that it's wrong to equate Scandinavian style social democracy with "Red" Soviet Totalitarianism.
BTW, I'm taking Poli Sci at the University of Calgary next year.

As for Clark, we'll wait and see if he gets the nomination, the corporate media will pick any Democratic candidate apart while giving Bush a relatively free ride.

RE: JeffM

The spectrum in the US is distorted so far to the right that Democrats somehow appear liberal even though they're right-leaning centrists(like Clinton) for the most part. Political Compass has all the Dem candidates except Sharpton and Kucinich pegged in Authoritarian Right. Clinton's most disgusting actions were welfare "reform" and media de-regulation.


[Edited 2004-01-16 07:14:27]

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2651 times:

My point is that it's wrong to equate Scandinavian style social democracy with "Red" Soviet Totalitarianism.

Abolish the disproportional, aristocratic US Senate. Create a single-chamber US Congress, elected by a system of mixed-member proportional representation that combines district representatives elected by preference voting and party representatives seated in proportion to each party's vote.

That is pretty damn alarming and pretty damn radical, IMO.

BTW, I'm taking Poli Sci at the University of Calgary next year.

Have a good time. I've been waiting to take my Political Science requirement for one and a half years just so I could get the only conservative professor in that department. His classes fill up too quickly--and I'm always too late to register!  Pissed




America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

According to current polls, none of the Democrats will win against Bush; assuming the undecideds break 50-50, Bush approaches 60%, which is a landslide. Even if nothing big changes before Nov., I think it will be closer than that, but Bush is still the prohibitive favorite. Dean is slipping in Iowa and New Hampshire after a few too many gaffes. Kerry and Edwards are moving up, of all people, which means five candidates -- Dean, Clark, Gephardt, Edwards, and Kerry -- are either inside or just outside the statistical margin of error for the lead in those two states. This is going to be a very messy primary season and I'm sure Karl Rove is drooling over the Dem v. Dem attack ads.

Regarding General Clark, he's been taking a pounding in the last day or two over Congressional testimony in fall 2002:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/01/16/clark_says_gop_distorts_his_testimony_on_iraq/

"The problem of Iraq is not a problem that can be postponed indefinitely, and of course Saddam's current efforts themselves are violations of international law," Clark told the committee. "Our president has emphasized the urgency of eliminating these weapons and weapons programs. I strongly support his efforts to encourage the United Nations to act on this problem and in taking this to the United Nations, the president's clear determination to act if . . . the United Nations can't provide strong leverage for undergirding ongoing diplomatic efforts."

On the stump, Clark also has repeatedly accused the Bush administration of trumping up a false connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda. But in his congressional testimony, Clark said he believed a connection existed.

"It's normal. It's natural," Clark said. "These are a lot of bad actors in the same region together. They are going to bump into each other. They are going to exchange information. . . . I think it's clear that regardless of whether or not such evidence is produced of these connections that Saddam Hussein is a threat." Clark aides said yesterday's attention from Republicans -- RNC chairman Ed Gillespie criticized Clark in a speech yesterday in Clark's hometown of Little Rock, Ark. -- proved that Clark represents a threat in the 2004 election. "It is our job to point out the inconsistencies and untruths by the Democratic presidential candidates," RNC spokeswoman Christine Iverson said. "And this is a big one."

Of course, these statements are hard to reconcile with: "I've been very consistent... I've been against this war from the beginning," the former general said in Detroit on October 26. "I was against it last summer, I was against it in the fall, I was against it in the winter, I was against it in the spring. And I'm against it now."

Meanwhile, a 1995 Dean letter to Bill Clinton urging (gasp) unilateral military action in Bosnia isn't helping the good doctor either.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/14/elec04.prez.dean.bosnia/

--B2707SST

[Edited 2004-01-16 10:02:22]


Keynes is dead and we are living in his long run.
User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

i think its quite simple. the dems have to nominate whoever can take the biggest chunk out of the conservative voters that would otherwise vote bush.
that is clearly clark, since dean has no chance because he is too left to be voted for by republicans.



10=2
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

I still haven't seen anybody that I think can make it happen on the democratic ticket.

That and every one of them is going to have to blow their contribution wad in the primaries.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

The Bush/Dick/Colon & Co. has a tight grip on the media and will do everything to keep those GOP bastards in charge.

My heart is with Dean, Gephardt, Kucinich, Kerry and Braun (now gone) but my vote will be with Wesley Clark.
Considering how stupid the American public has become thanks to the spoonfed garbage the mainstream press feeds the masses , I have to go with the candidate that is closest to Bush but knows how to read, write and served in the military.

Dean may be the McGovern of today if he gets the Democratic nomination.
Clark could be the 44th President if he avoids flying aircraft until after he wins the popular and electoral vote after the November elections by a margin the USSC can't touch. I'd hate to see him become a victum of the Bush/GOP evils that's killed Wellstone and Mel Carnihan.


ANY BODY BUT W BUSH ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


Joe Leibermann, go to HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nobody needs or wants you!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

I'd hate to see him become a victum of the Bush/GOP evils that's killed Wellstone and Mel Carnihan.

Superfly, am I to understand that you think that those guys where assasinated by our current president?



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4524 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

I hear Dean being referenced to this McGovern person alot.

Who is McGovern? And what's the story behind him?


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

@aloha

i think this one
http://www.mcgovernlibrary.com/george.htm



10=2
25 Tom in NO : I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I'm sure the GOP is laughing all they way to the 2004 election with this one. It really doesn't matter who
26 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Don't kid yourselves, people, if Wes Clark wins the nomination he'll DESTROY Bush You want to make a friendly $500 wager on that? oooh! I want in! Eas
27 Superfly : George McGovern won only Massachusettes and the District of Columbia for a total of 17 electoral votes and 37% of the popular vote. Nixon (the crook)
28 MidnightMike : If Dean is the Democratic contender, it will be a disaster for the party. Clark is getting a free ride as he has no presence in Iowa, when the boys g
29 Post contains images JeffM : Most Republicans support Dean or Clark for the simple fact that they can be torn apart easier then a Toyota Prius in an accident... DOH!
30 Aloha717200 : You might want to consider that Bush wants to take a large part of your overtime away, and his administration is now seriously beginning to infringe o
31 ConcordeBoy : Hmm, lemme think: Overkill- and piss a few foreigners off, many of whom look for a reason to be pissed at us anyways..... or Underkill- be Clintonian
32 FDXmech : How about a Gephardt - Edwards ticket?
33 Post contains images L.1011 :
35 Goingboeing : Does it really matter? The "candidates" are doing such a magnificent job of bashing one another that the Bush team only needs to sit back and watch TV
36 MidnightMike : Goingboeing My thoughts exactly, the bashing has been pretty bad, not just on TV spots, but at the debates as well. The information that they are pro
37 Aloha717200 : I dont believe that the election is just being handed to Bush. That will be decided later when the nominee is selected. An interesting question to con
38 Post contains links and images Aloha717200 : If you guys are interested, here is an article that is linked to from Wesley Clark's website. Yes, its from Esquire, but its very interesting nonethel
39 JeffM : "You might want to consider that Bush wants to take a large part of your overtime away... Damn the bad luck for the 'overtime crowd'. I am on salary..
40 Texan : Gotta go with the guy I've been supporting since 2001, Governor Howard Dean, MD. He is the candidate whom I agree with most. I think he is the best ca
41 Donder10 : For all the talk of Dean being further to the left than the outfield in Wrigley Field only on Iraq and the tax cuts is he truly on the leftist side.Bu
42 Cba : Dean was actually conservative on many issues as governor. He has swung left for the primaries, but look to see him pull back to center if he bags the
43 Donder10 : Exactly.You could make the case for him being around the same political area as Arnie when he stops his mouth piece pandering to the Democratic establ
44 Aloha717200 : Hmmm, after going through the candidates and delving deeper into their stance on the issues, I think my opinions have changed a little. Since I starte
45 Post contains images 777YYC : The 4-star General versus the Draft Dodger... who's going to win? Not that there's anything wrong with being a draft dodger.
46 Post contains images L-188 : The minute I found out that Michael Moore endorsed Clarke, was the minute I realized that man could and should not be president. Dean is pretty left w
47 MD-90 : Joe Leibermann, go to HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nobody needs or wants you! Why am I not surprised? Joe's the only one out of the pack of wannabe
48 L-188 : I don't see GW changing the ticket, unless Cheney has another heart attack. It would be taken as a sign that he is in trouble, and the Democrats would
49 Aloha717200 : L-188, You know, I figured I had to have read that wrong....because it didnt sound right. But I went back to his website just now to read and re-read
50 CPDC10-30 : Well, I'm just an interested observer not being a US citizen. However I got these impressions so far: Howard Dean: Trying to be a Pierre Trudeau, but
51 Aloha717200 : I refer to my earlier comparison though.....that's what they said about Arnie in california too. Didnt think he had much of a chance in what was a jok
52 L-188 : So for two years of work they only get 4 Grand? Ok, straight slavery it isn't, but it is still some form of involuntary servitude. That is why it is s
53 Aloha717200 : Actually its 4 grand for each year, so that equates to 16 grand for each student. He's going to repeal the tax cuts bush put in place for those making
54 Dw747400 : Just to put in a couple comments on the community service idea. Where I live in MD, we have a high school requirement that, in order to graduate, you
55 Dc10guy : Well, I'm hoping for a Dean/Clark ticket in November. But the reality of it all is the Democrats can't put the same kind of cash behind a candidate th
56 Post contains images JeffM : The Dems have no problem raising money when it comes to taxing people.....why can't they get anyone to give it to them without it being in the form of
57 DLKAPA : Taxes is better than money from oil companies, at least that way you have support from everybody, not just a select few. And yes, I am talking monetar
58 JeffM : But not everyone pays taxes Eric. But you knew that right? And people that make more money, pay it at a higher rate... But you knew that right?
59 COIAH99 : JeffM... Glad to see someone in here I can agree with...thank you for your posts.
60 DLKAPA : Yes and the people that pay their taxes at a hire rate complain more, and they have a right to. I mean, after all, they have to have some money left o
61 Post contains images JeffM : I live some of that... Stay in school, get a good job, earn some money.... Then you will be like many of us.. You will want to KEEP it. Not piss it aw
62 Texan : L-188 and 777YYC: If draft dodging was as much an issue as everyone talks about, neither Clinton nor Shrub would have been elected President. And it i
63 DLKAPA : Plan on staying in school... I don't care how lucrative the job is just so long as it is something I would be happy with (tech theatre, audio recordin
64 J_hallgren : DLKAPA, remember there are places in US where $400k won't even buy a house with ANY garage! Maybe just a small summer cottage! Did you mean $4 Million
65 DLKAPA : 400 is about the average price for a good house out here now. Our house is valued at around 180, and when my family moved in in '89, it was way before
66 JeffM : I at one point started think Joe might have a chance for the Dems as well....then I heard in one of his whinny speaches how he planned on putting caps
67 DLKAPA : Capping Profits? Isn't that the purpose of taxes? That would be like double-jeopardy. We may be in deficit, BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE WE AREN'T AS BAD AS US-
68 MD-90 : Even with the stupid crap that Bush is agreeing to (No Child Left Behind budget fiasco, the horrendous payout to seniors via drugs, the abhorrent ille
69 Aloha717200 : A couple of comments here: Well, I'm hoping for a Dean/Clark ticket in November. For once, I actually agree with you DC10guy! That'd be neat and perha
70 Dc10guy : What is it that makes people like Dubya so much ??? He's an arrogant asshole, He has nothing going for him except that his family is rich. The Democra
71 DLKAPA : MD-90, you should watch what you say in this forum. So what If they are liberal and you are not, that doesn't make them Nuts. What if I was to say tha
72 JeffM : No Eric, taxes are not the same as putting a cap on profits. Aloha....reading what their website says means nothing. And why is it fair that a person
73 Aloha717200 : What is it that makes people like Dubya so much ??? I'm not entirely sure but I may have a theory. It may have something to do with his excellent abil
74 Post contains images JeffM : Wow.... you must have really had to stretch to make up all that stuff. What else do you see in your 'crystal ball'? you make me laugh. it is gonna kil
75 J_hallgren : Aloha7+, since when is $200K a yr wealthy? Maybe to most Dem's but to Repub's, that's only somewhat upper middle class, so why tax them more? To me, w
76 DLKAPA : Aloha,While I agree completely with your statement, I just have some things to point out: -Our efforts to reform the middle east have already failed,
77 Aloha717200 : Make up all that stuff? Didnt have to stretch the imagination far Jeff. Before anyone accuses me of it, I'm not a liberal, I'm not a leftwing extremis
78 Dc10guy : I've already resigned myself to the fact that Dubya will win in Nov. The republican machine is already at work in close states. Money is power in the
79 DLKAPA : Why such stigma assosciated with being liberal?
80 Aloha717200 : DLKAPA, thank you. As I said many of these things have already been proposed or implemented and it will only get worse. If electing a left-wing democr
81 Aloha717200 : I've already resigned myself to the fact that Dubya will win in Nov. Dont. By all rights it is very very likely that he could win, after all his PR ta
82 DLKAPA : Dude, CONGRESS passed a law saying when our school vending machines can be turned on during the day... IT HAS ALREADY GONE TO FAR!
83 Post contains links and images 777YYC : Notice how they're all on the RIGHT? Edit: http://www.politicalcompass.org[Edited 2004-01-19 08:21:26]
84 DLKAPA : Who made that chart?
85 Dc10guy : Aloha717200, I sure do like your optimism. Don't get me wrong my wife and myself will be voting for Dean. The worst thing that could happen to the rep
86 Post contains images JeffM : Will you provide us (me) with the "law" regarding your school's vending machine? Aloha....yes, a stretch... a big one. Everyone please vote for Dean..
87 Post contains links Aloha717200 : Okay Jeff, I respect your viewpoint. However I would like to know where it is I'm wrong, because if I am in fact incorrect about these things, I'd lik
88 DLKAPA : Okay here is what happened one day during announcements: The principle comes on and says "Due to a recent federal ruling, we cannot serve anything dur
89 Post contains images Aloha717200 : Well, it is interesting that Kerry won the caucus tonight, and incredibly sad that Gephardt dropped out. I still don't support Kerry's education plan,
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