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Looking For A Change, California Dreaming?..  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17593 posts, RR: 50
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

"California Dreaming on such a Winter's day"..

Im sitting here typing and it's -30 with the windchill, just thinking to myself and wondered if anyone else has some ideas to help me out..

I've lived in New Jersey almost all my life, lived in NYC for 4 years and Northern Virginia for a year. I've been living here for over 20 years, 17 in my current address. The area (and the State) have undergone tremendous change just in the last 10 years, it's gotten really crowded and the folks moving here from NYC.

Im actually getting BORED!

I live within 40 Minutes of Manhattan and an hour from Philly, but even NYC is getting too "familiar" for me (I don't want to say NY's boring, but if you were born in NYC and grew up right across the river you too will get "bored").

Im looking for a change of scenary, something that still has a somewhat sophistication to it yet is more outdoors and less hussle.

My girlfriend and I are "probably"getting married within the next year, and we both "loved" California when we visited this past Summer. We went to Santa Monica and San Diego, also passed through some nice towns like San Clemente and La Jolla, I've been to Northern California before and loved San Francisco, Monterey.

How do folks feel about .. the Santa Barbara area?.. What other towns are between LA and San Francisco along the coast, my girlfriend mentioned she would love to move to California (she's lived in Jersey her whole life).

My parents LOVE San Diego, I went there this Summer and stayed on Coronado Island. It was alright (prefered La Jolla), but some people say they don't like living there?..

So I was think maybe somewhere along the coast between LA and San Francisco, Im actually thinking of going back there this Summer and scout out some places.

Who knows, but I think it's time for a change. Either that or I got frostbite on my brain, and California is looking good right about now.

One more thing..

I've been to Seattle and loved it, but it was cloudy the whole time I was there. I hear Portland is nice too, but is the weather that bad in the Northwest?..

I think I need more sunshine..

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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5641 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

I did my some time living on the east coast as a kid...I swore when I became an adult..I'd never put up with that 'east coast' torture (weather) ever again! Don't get me wrong...I LOVE NYC...it's my home away from here in SoCal. Unlike like you I'd never get tired of the crowds, hustle/bustle and I'd be chained to JFK/EWR when not nursing a hangover! However..on a winter photo shoot at JFK once in the early 1990's....and I asked my self..'What was I thinking when I booked this trip?' I'll put myself through that kinda weather again unless I'm invited to another Trump party or I'm hiking in Alaska! And I'm talking about just visiting.

Now if NYC had our weather here...I'd never leave...Period! But it doesn't..given what you've said thus far, if you can afford LaJolla you guys would love it regardless. The only problem people do have with it is...it does have a 'clique-ish' feel to it...and after a while you do notice it. but it's beautiful. Orange County's San Juan Capistrano is just as beautiful and serene. Newport Beach area is a fair mix of that serenity with heavy dosage of 'good beach life and party atmosphere) more younger people (your age range) than SJC and LaJolla. LaJolla is San Diego's answer to LA's Malibu (but the malibu clique is Uber Clique..top flight...your neighbors are Steven Spielberg and the like..basically just past through enjoy the scenery and keep going you) Santa Monica/Venice Beach is LA's very trendy down to earth bohemia environment..it ain't cheap (skanky parts of Venice may be...but also dangerous) but reminders of you're right in the LA Basin are a stones throw away. A quiet enclave (except jet noise) south of Santa Monica/Venice is Playa Del Rey a very 30-ish area..further north from the noise towards Venice is the ritzy Marina Del Rey community perfect if being near LA is not a problem. Top 2 choices in the LA Area 1) Marina Del Rey 2) Santa Monica. Beverly Hills- forget it you won't like the people...it's cool if you know the 'feel' but being a newcomer..it may take a while to 'get it'. North of LA County..Santa Barbara is LaJolla with the more laid back 'Santa Monica atmosphere' and just might be perfect for you. As you go further north it the beachside communities are just small 'Santa Barbara's if you will until you reach the Carmel/Monterrey where it takes on a just barely noticible more conservative slant..not as bad as Orange County but far more than you'll ever find in Santa Monica. San Francisco, I feel is the most beautiful city in America but it gets just too damn cold there for my blood (and that's anything near 40F -- which we are getting her some nites during our winter) but SFO gets that stuff all yeah around in the evening. But the daytime temps are great there! But I still prefer LA weather over SFO weather the 5-10 degree differential makes all the difference in my book.

I hope that shines some light on some of Calif. coastal living situations..also be WARNED the entire length of 'coastal' communities -- LaJolla up to SFO is subject to 'June Gloom' conditions. And it doesn't just happen in June it can be almost damn near year-around. What that means is the cooler Pacific (vs Atlantic) waters and high temps over the inland areas create a 'fog' that sometimes linger forever along the shoreline cities or just parts of them. They are all subject to it. That means on a typical day (or week or month) the temp in Westwood(UCLA)/Beverly Hills can be a balmy sunny 75-80 degrees and just 1-2 miles west in Santa Monica..it's 62 degrees and complete socked in! many summer tourist/visitors wake up and confuse this with smog because the whole LA Basin is socked in at 8AM but because ground temps..it burns off in the city far faster than the shoreline cities (where a continuous cooling breeze is blown across the beach cities) And these conditions have ruined many a summer days for the beach communities. But during the winter, like now, that's strangely enough...rarely the case. Indian summers or the Santa Ana conditions easily make Sept-Mar days and nites make the beach cities unbelievable -- clear as far as the eye can see and all you need is a T-Shirt and shorts -- at 'MIDNITE' just like this past Mon/Tues/ Wed nite. just stunning!


The only place that will take me away from this...is a home on the island of St. Martin (....the French side of cousre!) And even then I'll return back here for lengthy stays!

"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

New Yorker, born & raised myself. I moved to California from New York about 7 years ago & have never regretted it, the weather is great, the food & people you will get used to.

Now, hopefully you have a job lined up? If not, I would scout out any employment possibilities.

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User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

Hey STT757, don't leave NJ yet! I want to fly up from Houston and get a insider's tour of industrial northern New Jersey...container ships, rail yards, airports etc. Call me crazy, but its the subject matter for my paintings.

p.s. We've communitcated before via the yahoo IAH spotter group.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

California born and raise, right around San Francisco.

Being from NorCal, I dislike SoCal just cuz, but Santa Barbara is very nice. There are lots of places down south like that that are amazing. San Luis Obispo is cool, Santa Cruz isn't really SoCal, there are so many little beach towns and things.

I love the Bay Area, not quite as warm as SoCal, but no pollution like LA, still lots of traffic and things to do, but it isn't just a sprawling metropolois, the water breaks that up.

I now go to school in Oregon, and shuffled up to Portland last night for a show in fact, Portland is beautiful. They actually got some snow this year, but that is a-typical.

Seattle is twice as nice as portland, and for people who think the weather sucks in the Northwest, I don't give a hoot, that's less crowding up here for me.


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User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

I will warn you that housing is very expensive,

but as we always say in California... Millions of Illegal Aliens couldn't be wrong!

Born and raised in Del Mar, CA - just north of La Jolla and UCSD.
Live in North San Diego County now - Would not move any place else....

North San Diego County...God's country!

User currently offlineIMisspiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6544 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Warning someone from New Jersey that housing is expensive? That's about the same as warning someone that the ocean is wet.

And North County, God's country is 400 miles east of you. In my opinion that is. Not that I despise southern California............... Oh heck, I do. Nothing personal though.

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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5641 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

400 miles west???? Arizona and New Mexico....the desert??? You must be joking! The people that live there are wondering how the got there! I always wondered about that world renown population explosion out there.


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3267 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

The deserts in Arizona and Nevada are great places. Living in SoCal is fun for a while, then it gets old. The people are a trip though. I knew some pretty funny people in San Diego that argued that Carson City, Nevada could not be further west then where we were in San Diego! We are just blocks from the ocean! Carson City is east in Nevada...........  Big grin

User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4410 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1476 times:


Yes, be aware it is very expensive living in SoCal and not to mention the gas prices but i am sure it's the same in Jersey. I plan on moving to San Diego in the near future, in fact, I already checked out the apartments where I want to live, around the UCSD area, 1 bedroom averaged around $1100/mo.

Anyway, have you graduated from Rutgers yet?

Good luck,


[Edited 2004-01-17 09:55:53]

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5641 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

The deserts in Arizona and Nevada are great places. Living in SoCal is fun for a while, then it gets old. The people are a trip though.

Yes we are a trip out here...but what exactly gets old? Going to the beach nearly whenever you want,the mountains (skiing and beaching all in the same day if desired), having near perfect weather...what? I don't get it? What am I missing that gets old? The 'trippy' people? From the 41 states (including Alaska and Hawaii) I've been to...trippy people are in most of them.

AZ and NV...been to both and I've concluded that I'd die a brown death out there...the ground is brown, the mountains are brown (except northern section of each state) and it the green parts of the state...it gets too cold (snow) in both! In NV..just ask the Donner descendants.  Big thumbs up


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Considering the move to California? Wow, I don't even know where to begin. Personally, the reason I love California so much is the environmental diversity. I love hiking and camping, and you cannot find any more great places to do such than in California. We have:

- Mountains (Sierra Nevada, San Gabriel, Coastal Range, Klamath Mountains)
- Deserts (Mojave Desert, Death Valley)
- Beaches (The entire coast has such a variety of beaches)
- National Parks (Yosemite, Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Death Valley, Joshua Tree, Redwood, Lassen Volcanic, Channel Islands)

And these are all the "grand" scenic locations, there's so many little niches and places that you can find to enjoy, just in your local areas.

My question then is, have you zeroed it down to any particular locations that you would be interested in living? I could give you a lot more information once I know that. All I can say now is that I absolutely love this state.

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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

If you are not rich already, a student at UC Santa Barbara, or telecommute from home, there is not a lot of work in Santa Barbara. There are no industries there except tourism, and we all know that pays diddly squat.

The same with coastal communities on the Central Coast...there are simply not a lot of jobs unless you are a nuclear engineer and want to work at Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant near San Luis Obispo or a government job at Lompoc.

Real estate is the main engine that drives these communities. The rich folks are snapping up properties, because the housing market is appreciating so much faster than any other investment.

San Diego County isn't too bad, although housing is shooting thru the roof there also. I lived in Carlsbad and its shabbier big sister Oceanside for several years, and thought it was okay, but very boring IMHO. Go for a big city like San Diego, Los Angeles or the Bay Area.

For better or worse (worse in my view), many people are settling in the Central Valley. Do yourself a favor....DON'T live in the Central Valley...it will turn you bitter and cause you to question your very existence.

Just my two cents worth.

User currently offlineIMisspiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6544 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

"...but what exactly gets old"

Being stuck on eternally clogged freeways perhaps?

And I did not mean to start an anti California argument, there are parts of the state I love dearly. As a pure desert rat, I love Mohave, Death Valley and Borrego Springs. Those that dislike deserts may stay in LA and San Diego and I'll understand.

As though my opinion means anything. After all, there are even people that like snow.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5641 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

"Being stuck on eternally clogged freeways perhaps?"

IMisspiedmont...that only happens to suckers (people who haven't figured it out yet, tourist and people who for some strange reason live 70 miles away and choose to commute to a job they may also love) Now having said that..there is a decent train/metro system in place to alleviate the drive for many..but they refuse to surrender the steering wheel.

I just left LAX (it's friday afternoon) it was 40-50 mph sailing on a crowded 405 San Diego Freeway...a stalled queue was forming on the 10-Santa Monica Freeway where I usually transition..so instead of joining the queue I immediately saw 3 (4 if you wanna join the queue) options to getting back to my office. Turns out, I chose the worse of the 3, being as cocky as I am sometimes..but even then..it only added 5 minutes to my drive. But as I looked down at the 10 Freeway I could see from Santa Monica (ocean) towards downtown LA...it was a complete parking lot! I felt bad for those people because on friday..it only gets worse (esp. for the long commuters). I feel even worse knowing that if they only knew my secret (if I had to make that trip) around that (taking Olympic Blvd then transition to 6th St-if need be-) they could be in downtown LA in 20 minutes or less. At their rate...it was gonna be an hour or 2! You probably tuned out of this a while ago..but the lesson here is, if you're gonna live here...know the traffic, know when to get on the freeway and always have a way out. It's a lot like any big city, in NYC, you should know what streets you should walk down and which ones might not be a good idea if you live there. Every large city has it's quirks -- ours primarily is traffic.


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
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