GKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 645 times:
Anyone in here live close to a pyre of burning cows?? Ireland has claimed the UK as being " the Lepar of Europe" do you think this is justified?
BTW I just wish to say Good Luck to all the farmers in Britain going through this, especially in Cumbria and Dumfries and Galloway where the disease is worst.
What do you guys think of this disease.
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Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 605 times:
I'd say that there seems to be something definately wrong with the farming/livestock raising practices in Great Britain. If you look at the number of incidents of Mad Cow Disease compared with the rest of the world, and now the latest epidemic, it should be clear that something is wrong, whether it is a regulatory problem or something else, I don't know - I don't follow it that much. But certainly will be a vegitarian whenever I visit the UK.
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 599 times:
Charles Foot and Mouth and Mad cow desiese are very different!
BSE (mad cow desiese) is probably all over the world consider the practice of grinding up sheep bones and feeding it to cows was not only done in the UK, but all of Europe and the US. We have taken measures to ensure that these practices do no happen, and that out meat is safe!
It is thought foot and mouth came about because some one feed a pig some meat. Foot and Mouth does not effect people (because we do not have hoofs). However I think the goverment has gone from very lax, to do far to much with there new plan announced yesterday!
Iain
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 598 times:
The UK may well be the 'leper' of Europe, but Ireland is the 'beggar' considering all the money it has been given.
As for the outbreaks, Foot and Mouth is a virus which was brought in from overseas and is transmitted easily amongst animals regardless of if they live in a swamp or in Buckingham Palace. As such, this outbreak was unavoidable.
Interestingly, Foot and Mouth is like flu - the animals get sick for a couple of weeks then they return to normal. Only the milk yield goes down. In this context, slaughtering them in their millions shows one of the nasty sides of human nature - profits come first. Thus, it is easy to see how corners may have been cut to save costs, but this is a global situation, not just the UK.
Where the UK has been wrong is its arrogance, sending infected meat overseas and thinking of itself first - finally blaming the anti-British French and Germans for banning our products.
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EIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1533 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 590 times:
Foot and Mouth disease is a little more severe than that, Ryan. You don't just get a fever, some blisters in uncomfortable places and then in a few weeks everything is magically fine. FMD can be fatal to young/weak animals, and those that survive are often debilitated. The animals lose considerable weight, produce less milk and abortions do occur. If the problem isn't dealt with, secondary infections are frequent.
The virus can survive for relatively long periods of time in the air, in food and garbage, and even in hides, hair, and wool, so measures for controlling the disease are necessarily rigorous. The only real way to control the disease is by killing the infected animals, burning their carcasses and then cleaning the affected areas.
I'm not sure if the latest moves by the UK are overkill or not, mainly because I don't know what they are (bloody bbc website down as usual). Anyway, I don't think it's unusual for a government to under-react and then move to a plan that might be considered "overkill." Exaggerated moves are just a poltical tactic.
And yes, it does all come down to money, not the animals. We aren't that far away from a vaccine, but of course, the cost to immunize would be far too high.
WN boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 583 times:
To clarify on the Mad Cow Disease (BSE), it has been cause by using animal byproducts in feed for sheep and cattle. This has been banned in the United States for over 30 years. Accordingly, there are no BSE infected cows in the US and there never will be.
As for Foot and Mouth Disease, I am told that there is a vaccine for the disease, but that it is not approved for use in the EU. Does anybody know why that is?
AgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 649 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 567 times:
I wonder if there's any point to all these measures at the airports. I mean all it does is reduce the chance of foot and mouth being transmitted. There's really no sure way of preventing it.
If they ask " have you been on a farm," how many people are actually going to say yes, knowing it will mean a search???
EIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1533 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 554 times:
DeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 551 times:
I am currently watching the news and they say that there is a new product on the market called Vircon X, it apparently kills foot and mouth disease, I guess its a powder that when mixed with water, turns to a soap and you scrub it on things and it kills the disease. They also said if foot and mouth disease reaches the US, the losses would be in the billions!
9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 543 times:
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feeding cows with sheep bone wheat is sick - I didn't believe what were they doing when I first heard them -
in Croatia it is unconcievavle to give cows anything else than plants
I wouldn't also exclued the possibility of foot-and-mouth disease virus been used (or beeing used in future) as a biological weapon intended to destabilyze economy of affected country
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EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12426 posts, RR: 40 Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 523 times:
Yes there is a vaccine for Foot and Mouth, 11 (i think) of them. And adminstering all 11 vaccines to each animal would be far to expensive to even consider and that is why they are not used (altough i beleive they do elswhere in europe). So basically its us putting profits before life. Its the way the world works .
DeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 520 times:
Vircon X isnt a vaccine, its a "soap" that gets the disease off of things coming into the US, such as shoes, clothing, etc. On the news clip, they showed it being scrubbed on the bottom of a shoe. Vircon X will be used in airport security operations.
Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11949 posts, RR: 50 Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 504 times:
Here in Norway, they closed all the boarders and started searching every person crossing it for meat and dairy products. If they find anything, they throw it away. No imported meat or milk products are allowed into Norway. Thank god we have enough meat and milk here.
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EIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1533 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 482 times:
European Union veterinary experts have given the go-ahead for the limited use of vaccines to help the Netherlands fight foot-and-mouth disease.
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