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Saddam Hussein Bribed Chirac To Oppose The War  
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040128-094014-7323r.htm

Al-Mada's list cites a total of 46 individuals, companies and organizations inside and outside Iraq as receiving Saddam's oil bribes, including officials in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Sudan, China, Austria and France, as well as the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian Communist Party, India's Congress Party and the Palestine Liberation Organization.

The oil ministry papers, described by the independent Baghdad newspaper al-Mada, are apparently authentic and will become the basis of an official investigation by the new Iraqi Governing Council, the Independent reported Wednesday.

"I think the list is true," Naseer Chaderji, a governing council member, said. "I will demand an investigation. These people must be prosecuted."



Doesn't look good for France, does it? As the article also notes, oil runs thicker than blood.

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21470 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

So there not being a valid reson for the war would not have been enough, or what?  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

"Doesn't look good for France, does it?"

So, are you gonna invade it?

Honestly, after reading the topic of this thread, the only thing I was thinking about was the laugh it would make for. After reading the list of countries and organisations, I thought how convenient it was to include basically everyone "they" don't like on it.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

No different than GE, Conoco and Halliburton's enormous infrastructure contracts in places like Syria and Iran.


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21470 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

I might add that as far as I´ve read there´s no mention of Chirac in this context. Not that he personally wouldn´t be corrupt enough; But insinuating that the official french government policy against the Iraq invasion was "bought" by Saddam is somewhat implausible in itself and without any base in fact unless you can bring some evidence.  Insane

The concept of the american policy against Iraq being "bought" by well-known interest groups has far more factual and circumstantial support. So I would tread lightly in this matter if I were you.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Iraqi govt. papers: Saddam bribed Chirac

That's the headline of the article, Klaus.

You're right, I should've said that it doesn't look good for Chirac and his government, not France as a whole.


User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

sry but my brain is on "impossible to believe anything from the bush administration" mode.  Insane  Insane


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13609 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
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my brain is on "impossible to believe anything from the bush administration" mode

Last I checked, The Washington Times was the source of this report, not the Bush Administration.

In fact, the only thing the White House said about it was the following:

A senior Bush administration official said Washington was aware of the reports but refused further comment.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Actually UPI is the source of this report, not the Times.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

sry but my brain is on "impossible to believe anything from the bush administration" mode

Espion007, thank you for providing us with the classic example of a closed minded liberal.

Only reason you won't believe it is because the report is something bad about one of the left's idols, Chirac. Of course, if it was about Bush, you'd believe it in a heartbeat.



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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

"because the report is something bad about one of the left's idols, Chirac"

if you were not a "classic example of a closed minded neo-kon" you would actually know that chirac is a right wing politician and also belongs to a right wing party. of course to the current u.s. right wing, eu right wing politicians must look like left wing nuts, but that is another story.
fact is chirac is heavily opposed by every "left wing" person in europe.



10=2
User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

If Chirac was an "idol of the left" then there must be a pic around showing B757300 on dinner table with Mao and Che Guevarra (not that those two ever met, but hey...).


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Guys, the definition of left and right wings of poltics generally swings 180 out of phase, depending on which side of the pond you are on.


Hopefully Chriac accepting bribes will be investigated by the officials of his goverment but for some reason I doubt it.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21470 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

In the article I´ve read (Der Spiegel) there was no mention of Chirac although they certainly wouldn´t have omitted him if there was actual evidence. I´d be a little more careful.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21470 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

L-188: Guys, the definition of left and right wings of poltics generally swings 180 out of phase, depending on which side of the pond you are on.

No, it doesn´t. If it did, the american right wing would appear to be left-leaning to us. And that´s ... improbable to say the leastBig grin


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Well, your right wing does seem left winging to us.

You left wing seems to be radically far left wing.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21470 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Which would constitute an offset shift, not a phase shift.

User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

ah ha.... Now I know why Dubya invaded Iraq. Saddam was giving oil away !!!


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

OK, fine, and offset shift,

But the point is that Chirac is not perceived as a right winger here.

But it is known that he has actively seeked to reduce America's influence and stature in the world.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21470 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Refusing american attempts at world domination fits the "right agenda" even better than the "left" one, if you´re looking at it from a non-american perspective!

User currently offlineChrisdigo From Sweden, joined Oct 2003, 181 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Chirac has nothing to do with that! The bagdadi newspaper published a list of 200 names who supposedly received "Saddam's oil bribes" in 1998.
Four names of French citizen was published. They are:

Charles Pasqua, a former French minister.
Patrick Maugein, a business man
Michel Grimard, president of the association franco-arabe
Bernard Mérimée, a former diplomate

Those kind of post are caricatural and defamatory. Can we talk about French bashing?
So when the American Taliban Patrick Welch was captured, did you assumed that G. W. Bush supported the Taliban?  Insane

Chris


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Chrisdigo, these are different papers.

User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Who is making these allegations? A group of individuals who depend on America for their daily bread and political power. Now THAT is a credible source!

BTW will there ever be an independent enquiry into the links between Haliburton and the Republican administration and whether this could have led to the war in Iraq and the illegal occupation? Guessed not!

-Roy


User currently offlineChrisdigo From Sweden, joined Oct 2003, 181 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1544 times:

MD-90: these are different papers.

You cited an article from Washington Times. This same Washington Times based it's article from the Badgadi Newspaper Al-Mada.

As I said, Al-Mada released a list of 200 names and out of the 200 names, 4 are French citizen (cf above). The list doesn't contain the name of Chirac.

Even if Al-Mada allegations need further investigation, the title of the article from the Washington Times is defamatory: this is not less than manipulation.

I'm amazed how some of the US media are bought off and release deformed information. In this case it's not more to tease the anti French sentiment a little more...

Chris




User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21470 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1524 times:

Isn´t the "reverend" Moon (owner of the Washington Times) a supporter of the republicans? Strange that such a weird "mishap" occurs during the ramp-up to the elections...

25 Qb001 : Strange that it does not mention anything about Schroeder or Chrétien having been bribed as well. Only Chirac. Which either means two things. 1 - Eit
26 Delta767300ER : This seems very very unlikely to me. -Delta767300ER
27 Startvalve : Indianguy, If you think the war in Iraq was Haliburtons idea you are dumber than I thought. Can't we all get on with our lives? The war is over, Chira
28 L-188 : Chirac showed the typical mainland Europe yellow streak we expected Now lets not stereotype. Spain, Poland, Denmark, and a few other Mainland European
29 Chrisdigo : Startvalve: Can we give the "the war was wrong" threads a rest? This thread is about a US media giving a biased, deformed and defamatory information.
30 L.1011 : Startvalve, Welcome to my respected users list!
31 Post contains images Klaus : Oh my; The Bush War swindle has blown up already. As much as I can understand your growing desperation, this is simply laughable!
32 Alpha 1 : Can we give the "the war was wrong" threads a rest? Never, becasue those of use who don't kiss Bush's rear end and think he did somethng great for th
33 JeffM : You really are concerned about ass kissing Alpha... why is that?
34 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Since you're the one that does it to GWB all the time on here, JeffM, you tell me?
35 Sebolino : OK, startvalve I see that your comments are always well documented. 1) Chirac is not in the list. The French politician in the list is Charles Pasqua,
36 Post contains images Chrisdigo : Sebolino, Welcome to my respected users list! Chris
37 Alpha 1 : Just because your president, as much as I don't like him, is not as stupid as you. That's debatable.
38 VectorVictor : 95% of the rest of the world refuesed What would a thread be without more of your pointless dribble and tired diatribes?
39 Post contains images Alpha 1 : What would a thread be without more of your pointless dribble and tired diatribes? ROTFL. You calling what I said "pointless", when you added nothing
40 Startvalve : Yeah I wish I could be so dumb I could get an MBA from Yale, even with average grades. Then be so fucking stupid I could be allowed to fly jet fighter
41 Alpha 1 : It's called "connections", Startvalve, and that's what most of that is.
42 Post contains images Chrisdigo : Startvalve: Before you jump to silly conclusions My conclusions are silly? The Washington Times is basing its article from an article of the newspaper
43 L-188 : Don't worry Algoes. The US doesn't go to war over brie cheese.
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