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When Will Howard Throw In The Towel?  
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5413 posts, RR: 53
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

After 9 primaries/caucuses, what does Howard Dean have to show for his candidacy? A reputation for being a barely-hinged loose cannon and, while earning delegates, Kerry's outstripping Dean in acquiring more delegates. Dean has yet to win one primary aside from the non-binding D.C. primary and, with 41 states left to fight over, has only $5 million in his war chest. His campaign has been poorly managed, both financially (spending over $4,000 on pizza for instance) and in terms of actually getting votes. Here in South Carolina, for instance, Dean placed 5th, earning half as many votes as Al Sharpton. Not only that, the GOP has made it clear that the GOP WANTS to run against Howard Dean as they see him as the weakest of the Democratic field (aside from maybe Dennis Kucinich).

So, when, exactly, do you foresee Howard throwing in the towel and who, potentially would he endorse, if anyone?


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

He has gone so far over the line, I doubt he will support anyone when he finally sees there is no light at the end of his tunnel. He has been put on the record saying he will see it out to the finish. It is fun to watch, I'll say that much.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

I disagree, JeffM. I think he's starting to have some reality sink in. He just wasn't a horse meant for a long race, and it's time to reign it in.

He should get out before the primaries in Michigan and Washigton, this weekend.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13668 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1421 times:
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He should get out before the primaries in Michigan and Washigton, this weekend.

I agree, Alpha 1. I just don't think Dr. Dean's own ego will permit him to exit this early.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5413 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

I don't think he'll drop out before this weekend. Just as Edwards stated he needed to win South Carolina, Gephardt needed Iowa, and Kerry needed New Hampshire, Dean needs Washington. I don't know the latest poll numbers, but both Washington and Wisconsin look like states Dean could still take if he doesn't succeed in sticking his foot in his mouth repeatedly. Those might buoy his campaign enough to stick it out a while longer.
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Read this in the Columbia, SC Free Times today and thought it might give y'all a laugh as well.

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FROM: MatchMaker@LoveMatch.Com
TO: HotDem@DNC.Com

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FIRST NAME: John
NICKNAME: "Frenchie"
BIO: Served in Vietnam; worked in public sector; is a Vietnam vet; also has military experience in Southeast Asia; spent some time in the former South Vietnam; and is a combat veteran (of U.S. police action in Vietnam).
TURN-ONS: Checks from corporate lobbyists, botox injections, and wealthy widows with difficult-to-place foreign accents.
TURN-OFFS: Wars in the 1990s; people who opposed war in 2003; people who support war now; and annoying nitpickers who point out these are all the same person.
ROMANTIC FANTASY: Long, lingering breakfasts in bed in the Lincoln bedroom of a certain White House in Washington, D.C., which is actually smaller than the home he owns now.

FIRST NAME: Wesley
NICKNAME: "One Tough Hombre"
BIO: Almost won a war in Yugoslavia before being asked to retire; currently seeking work as a chair warmer for ambitious former first lady.
TURN-ONS: Going to church "and all that"; traveling in the South and eating "those grit things with, you know, those various fried breakfast items and so forth."
TURN-OFFS: Anyone who doesn't follow orders ‹ immediately.
ROMANTIC FANTASY: Appearing on the cover of a gay magazine and announcing his support for abortion up to the moment of delivery þ Wait, does "fantasy" mean it hasn't happened? Never mind.

FIRST NAME: John
NICKNAME: "LUVS2SUE"
BIO: Has virtually no experience whatsoever, but he's a quick learner.
TURN-ONS: Class-action lawsuits and premium hair-care products.
TURN-OFFS: Debating, answering questions and being forced to explain what he's talking about.
ROMANTIC FANTASY: Spending a Saturday in Michigan with several thousand transplanted Southerners.

FIRST NAME: Joseph
NICKNAME: "ORUStillNIt?"
BIO: "Hey, I flirted with the wild side for awhile back in 2000 during a relationship that, well, just wasn't right for me. But now I'm back to my good ol' middle-of-the-road self, and I think people like me for it. I haven't actually heard from any of those people, but þ "
TURN-ONS: Very, VERY small states.
TURN-OFFS: Explaining how 13 percent, 12 percent and 9 percent equal a three-way tie.
ROMANTIC FANTASY: Being recognized in the lobby of a hotel ‹ by anyone, anywhere, ever.

FIRST NAME: Al
NICKNAME: "FightDPowR"
BIO: Declined to respond to request for information; threatened lawsuit if we mentioned "Tawana Brawley" or "Crown Heights" or used the word "Jew."
TURN-ONS: Four-star hotels and deluxe limousine rides in key, early primary states.
TURN-OFFS: People who ask how they're being paid for.
ROMANTIC FANTASY: Any scenario that involves him and the White House is, by definition, a fantasy.

NAME: Howard
NICKNAME: (unintelligible)
BIO: If you're looking for passion, this is your man! And if you're not, you're just some corrupt, corporate sell-out loser. Oh yeah, you don't like hearing it? Well sit down and shut up!
TURN-ONS: Red meat, white voters and blue states.
TURN-OFFS: Constantly talking about winning. I mean, what's the big deal about "winning" anyway? Hey, I wasn't talking to YOU! I don't care what you say! I'm NOT gonna win in Michigan, and then I'm NOT gonna win in Washington, and then in Wisconsin - Yaarrgghhh!
ROMANTIC FANTASY: "A bus filled with excited, screaming college kids, the open road before us, and my $42 million back."

NAME: Dennis
NICKNAME: Who?
BIO: No information available.




South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6508 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Actually, isn't Dean #2 in the delegate count?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4280 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Dean is still second in delegate count. The quick rundown:
Kerry 214
Dean 136
Edwards 88
Clark 86

Be interesting to see what happens this weekend. And I do see Dr. Dean endorsing whomever ends up being the front runner, whether it be Kerry (most likely) or Edwards (Vice President maybe?). Moreover, even if he does not endorse anybody, most of us who have supported him since 2001 will still vote for the Democratic candidate no matter what. As the gentleman at the Dean rally this past July in Dallas said, "I'm a yella dog Democrat and have been all my life!" For those who are unsure what that is, it is a saying in the South among Democrats that they'd vote for a yella dog running on the Democratic ticket before they'd vote for any Republican.
Anywho, let's just hope that the combined forces of Kerry and Edwards can beat Bush this November. Maybe put Dr. Dean in there as Surgeon General? Smile

Texan



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13668 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1405 times:
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Anywho, let's just hope that the combined forces of Kerry and Edwards can beat Bush this November.

Edwards went on record (on the Today show last week) that he will not be anyone's running mate.

So...if he does decide to join Kerry's ticket, will he face scrutiny for his about-face?



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

Hopefully it will be soon, this guy has got something wrong with him. I seriously would be worried about our country if he were to become the President.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

Dean will stay in until after Super Tuesday (March 2), a day in which 1346 delegates (representing 38.2% of the total # of delegates) will be at stake. With California (370), New York (236), Texas (195), and Ohio (140) having the largest number of delegates at stake, these four states are very critical for the campaigns of Howard Dean, John Edwards, and Wesley Clark. They are going to have to win those four states to help narrow the delegate gap with Kerry. If California and New York go to Kerry, the race is just about over, even if Texas and Ohio go to other candidates. If Dean cannot win one of the big delegate states, that's it, game over.

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

When Will Howard Throw In The Towel?

Feb 17, 2004



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