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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4525 posts, RR: 15
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Seems that the Walmart effect has finally hit home here in Idaho.

Since the Walmart moved in, across the street from the mall, stores within the mall have been struggling to maintain their consumers, against the attractive prices of the competing walmart.


Today four stores decided to give up the fight. And while store closures happen every day, what bugs me to absolutely no end is that two of these four were places that were in business before I was born and that I grew up with. One of them was a good old fashioned popcorn store where you could get any kind of flavor of popcorn you could think of...it was there long before i was born and when I was a kid I fondly remember going there about once a week to get a treat. A box of carmelcorn, to share with my family or just eat for myself.

Another is the photo studio in the mall. KaptureKids. This is the place where every family photo that was ever done since I was born was done. Every baby photo, every family portrait, every personal portrait, etc...we always went to KaptureKids. We havent ever had our portrait photos taken anywhere else. A family tradition down the gutter. I dont think there was any place more friendly and professional to have pictures done than at KaptureKids.

A craft store, the Nook n Cranny, doesnt bother me so much, but our town's only dedicated pretzel store, Pretzel Time, is now closing down.

And why?

WalMart.

Because of Walmart's low priced cafe across the street, complete with popcorn, business at Karmelcorn has suffered for years. Because of Walmart's cheap pretzels which one can get along with popcorn while shopping for clothes...business at pretzeltime has been hurting. The Wal-mart one hour photo shop? It's been killing KaptureKids, even if the work they do at wal-mart is less than satisfactory. And the crafts explain themselves.


So we've lost our only pretzel store, our only dedicated popcorn store, and the best photo place in town, because of walmart, with the former two being long-standing favourites of business in this town.

But it doesnt end there. Businesses in the food court are threatening to close as wal-mart is planning on increasing its menu selection. Dedicated clothing stores are struggling to maintain consumers while wal-mart has blowout sales on wardrobes.


I understand, this is the way of the markets. Those who can sell and sell cheaply survive. The established stores with history will die when they can't compete with ever further undercut prices. Even if the quality of the clothes, or the popcorn, the pretzels, or especially the photos, is miles better than walmart, price drives the market and Wal-mart wins.

I've just seen part of my childhood shut its doors forever. And more threatens to close. I have refused to shop at walmart for years, though not for this reason. But this only gives me further reason to continue to do business with the stores that consistently deliver quality. Because they need all the consumers they can get right now, in a market that doesnt care about quality as much as price.

The only reason i am posting this is because although its a local issue, walmart is a national chain. I'm sure you too have lost some businesses and places you loved and grew up with because walmart decided to move on in.

Please, no farts on this thread.

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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1923 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Plan A: don't shop at Walmart.


George



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

and plan b: protest any zoning plan that enables Walmart or similar stores to move into the area.


I wish I were flying
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

Plan C: adapt or go out of business

User currently offline777YYC From Canada, joined May 2000, 744 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

A textbook example of why I don't shop at Wal-Mart and tell all my friends to do the same.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Trust me, we're suffering the same problems here in Champaign-Urbana, IL. We already have two Walmart's, one a supercenter in Savoy and another normal sized one in Champaign. Now they want to open a third Walmart in Urbana, bringing with it more closure of small business that so rampantly occured with the openings of the first two. Our local mall, Lincoln Square Mall, had many great stores and small business, nearly all of which are now closed.

What I don't understand is why this city (combined Champaign and Urbana) of 100,000 people needs a THIRD Walmart. The city is saying that they're short on revenue, but once all the small businesses close down, they'll be in the same situation as before. And as consumers, we'll be stuck with poorer quality goods at the exchange of cost. I don't think its worth it.

Also, the new one would be opened on the outskirts of Urbana, in an area that already has a drainage problem with the sewage and when there's storms. Many residents already complain that their toilets and sinks back up when there's a storm. The new Walmart would occupy 74 acres, and would just add to the drainage problems.

Urbana wants to move towards more of a "big city", but for 100,000 people, I think its a mistake. I personally like more of the small time feel, with more small businesses and an intimate buyer-seller environment. It promotes higher quality goods and service, something that is lacking in the big chain corporation Walmart, as well as others.



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User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4364 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Come on! Everyone shops at Walmart becuase it has a very nice variety and everyday low prices. Walmart does sell some fairy decent products. Mostly, I'll get my sporting goods from Walmart; from fishing gear, to hunting rifles, to ski jackets and gear. They do offer the best bargains then any other sports stores I've been to. And why should people spend more money on a pair of jeans while at Walmart you can buy one cheaper and save!!!

I think the person who founded Walmart is a pure genius. Sure knows how to attract people.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Kevin



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11807 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

The only reason I go to Wal-Mart is when I am in PDT. That is where everyone shops and works. Most other businesses have been run out of town. I don't think I have ever bought anything at Wal-Mart. Is the mall at BOI called Boise Town Square or Boise Town Center? I was there a few times. It was very nice. Too bad Wal-Mart moved in across the street.

GO CANUCKS!!



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3647 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1570 times:

Welcome to the wonderful world of America!

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1563 times:

Welcome to the wonderful world of America!

Ever hear of Carrefour??? Put one of my uncle's out of business. Its a problem everywhere... we want lower prices but we don't want to "pay" for them.

[Edited 2004-02-05 15:46:00]

User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

God I hate Wal-Mart.


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User currently offlineNorth county From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

Lets see....

The Whitefront in Cardiff CA closed in the mid 1970's (That was a mid size discount store from my youth)

The bike store in Encinitas where we bought our bikes closed in 1977.

They opened a mall in Carlsbad 10 miles away in 1970 that hurt sales at both places.

The bakery in Encinitas where we bought our birthday cakes closed in 1979 because the local Safeway and Vons supermarket added bakery's...

The local T.V./Stero/record stores closed in the early 1980s ... seems the Circuit City, Pacific Stereo store, Licorice Pizza record store opened in the Carlsbad mall area hurt its business,

First Walmart opened in the area in the early 1990s.....

Law of the Jungle - you have to change with the times.....







User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Dear Lord. I hoep this is a joke.

The photo studi did not get shut down because of WalMart. It was becuase they are obsolete with the enhancements in photo technology, allowing regular people to become their own photographers. With portable equipment as well, a building-based "studio" is no longer needed.

Also, I dont understnad how a store only selling POPCORN last as long as it did. There must be lots of fat peopel in your town, no offense.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

I am hearing more disturbing things about Wal-mart almost every other day. Wal-mart is becoming a major economic problem. This establishment is putting many, many businesses out of business and many, many people out of work. Small businesses make up the majority of companies in the U.S. Wal-mart eliminates several of these smaller stores. How? Bullying tactics. I recently heard a piece on NPR radio on how Wal-mart dealt with Vlassic pickles. They basically told Vlassic we want packaging done this way and this amount of pickles. Since Wal-mart is the only game in town anymore, Vlassic didn't have a choice. Now, Vlassic is on the verge of going belly up while Wal-marts wallet gets thicker.

I will no longer shop at Wal-mart, even if they are the only ones that have the product I'm looking for.

But the biggest problem is that Wal-mart sells things cheaply. People won't pay more if they don't have to. It's a catch-22 situation.

Don't shop Wal-mart folks. If there isn't one in your area, fight it if they want to come to your area.

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[Edited 2004-02-05 18:52:56]

User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Walmart is killing the competition here in Canada too. They have effectively wiped out some malls completely.

I'm not against the good prices or the all-in-one store concept, but I am against the bullying. They have used some pretty shady tactics in securing land for stores and killing the competition.

It's not a matter of adaptation. It's a matter of corporate bullying. When Walmart is the only game in town, will the prices still be "competative?" Who will be the competition?


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Airplay, please describe the bullying tactics you mention. I'm curious. Are you sure they were not offered incentives that you mistake as bullyng?

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4525 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

The photo studi did not get shut down because of WalMart. It was becuase they are obsolete with the enhancements in photo technology, allowing regular people to become their own photographers. With portable equipment as well, a building-based "studio" is no longer needed.


The photo studio was doing just fine until Walmart moved in. Digital cameras, scanners, and photo editing software was around long before Walmart moved into this area, and Kapturekids did just fine. When Walmart came in just across the street with lower prices, they began to have problems.


As for the popcorn place, it was something of a favourite in this town. It was the only one, and, nowhere else could you get such a variety of popcorn. They even had strawberry flavoured popcorn there. And pineapple. And cheese popcorn, white cheddar, etc...nowhere else in town could you get stuff like that till walmart expanded their cafe to include popcorn and carmelcorn right across the street. The problem i think i that at Walmart, you could get your popcorn, and then take two steps to the left, and be in the clothing department, or take a short walk further and be in electronics, etc.

The popcorn place in the mall, though, required a bit further walking distance to get to the closest clothing store in the mall, and a bit farther to Sears for electronics, etc. I guess Karmelcorn wasn't as "convenient" for people. You could buy a whole box of any flavour popcorn there for $1.50. Not anymore.


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

There's no walmarts, that I know of, in the New York City area.


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11807 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

To add a bit to my previous post.....

Everyone has been talking about how they want lower prices. Have you ever shopped the clerance racks at Structure, Old Navy/Gap, Macy's or May Co.? High quality for very little. I have sweaters that are better quality than Wal-Mart/K-Mart/Target that I have paid less for. I know they are last season but they don't look dated at all! I don't see anyone attacking those racks. My guess about that would be it is not convenient or instant gratification.

GO CANUCKS!!



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

I can't believe you are fretting about popcorn and its lack of flavor availability in your area.

Dry your tears and order on-line http://www.popcornpalace.com/

Walmart creates far more wealth than it's reported to destroy. Its just the latest victim to suffer from incessant maligning by NPR-types, NIMBYs (who shop there in secret) and other anti-capitalist folks. Tomorrow it will be some other highly profitable and visable corporation to suffer this rath of jealousy.

Tell you what...if you can't beat 'em at least make some money. Call your broker and buy 100, 250, 500 shares of Walmart and forget about it. Baring a nuclear catastrophe, it will probably double, split, double, split more than enough times to make you a nice nest egg.

You can bitch and moan and be poor or you can bitch and moan and laugh all the way to the bank. I choose the latter.


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Wal-Mart is the devil...and I shop there all the time! Big grin


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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

You can bitch and moan and be poor or you can bitch and moan and laugh all the way to the bank. I choose the latter.

At others expense............... of course.


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4525 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

can't believe you are fretting about popcorn and its lack of flavor availability in your area.

Dry your tears and order on-line http://www.popcornpalace.com/


You dont have to be rude.

For what it's worth, I can't eat popcorn and havent eaten it for over a year because I'm on Atkins. But the store itself was a place that i grew up going to, just like the photo studio. That's the value im placing on it.


I swear, some people can be shallow sometimes.


User currently offlineDeltajax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

walmart is cool, capitalism at its best. I dont buy clothes there (socks and underwear but thats all) but their prices are the cheapest around (besides the dollar store) and its all in one place. The only bad thing about walmart is with the low prices, the people that are in their are pretty gross sometimes. Target has a much better atmosphere, but the prices arent as low.

User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1371 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

WalMart is free-market capitalism in operation. No one forces you to shop there. If you want to pay higher prices for higher-quality goods, more selection, to support small business, etc., you're free to do so. You just don't have the right to force others to do the same. Consumers vote with their wallets, and WalMat has (at least so far) been the winner.

True, WalMart's competitors do suffer, but consumers in the same community win. By selling comparable goods at lower prices, WalMart effectively raises their real incomes. One has to compare widespread, dispersed gains with concentrated, very visible losses.

More generally, if we keep unsuccessful businesses around as a matter of public policy, either to preserve jobs or to indulge in nostalgia, we remove the incentive to satisfy consumer needs efficiently. We'd still be making horse-drawn wagons and Ford Edsels. By the same token, if WalMart upsets enough of its customers, it will be the next fossil to grace MBA textbook sidebars.

Joseph Schumpeter called capitalism "creative destruction," perhaps the most accurate description of the market process ever created.

--B2707SST

[Edited 2004-02-06 00:04:59]


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25 F9Widebody : They are planning on building a wal-mart about a 1/2 mile from my house. It is right next to 3 supermarkets, including an unpopular Albertson's. I sur
26 Post contains images JAL777 : There's no walmarts, that I know of, in the New York City area. Let's keep it that way too.
27 North county : Well the unpopular Albertson will have to either become more popular or close... that is the law of the Jungle. Albertson's being unpopular is not th
28 Luv2fly : Lets see we blamed the suburban malls as the death of downtown shopping and now we are blaming WalMart for the demise of stores in the suburban malls,
29 Cancidas : i've said it once and i'll say it again. that's a prime example of capitalism at it's finest... or worst.
30 Bobrayner : Indeed. Don't like walmart? Shop somewhere else. If enough people change their shopping patterns, then shop development patterns will change too. It s
31 AAJAXFlyer : The only bad thing about walmart is with the low prices, the people that are in their are pretty gross sometimes So you've been to the Merrill Road W
32 MD-90 : Lowest price on contact solution: Wal-Mart Lowest price on mechanical pencils: Wal-Mart Lowest price on groceries: Wal-Mart Lowest price on soap: Wal-
33 Deltajax : AAJAXflyer- oh yeah, Merrill is horrible. I havent been to the one on Beach, but the one on 103rd street on the westside is about the same as Merrill.
34 DLKAPA : Actually, in some towns, a Wal-Mart can be a godsend. Case-in-point, my hometown of Parker, CO. Before we had a Wal-Mart, in the area where it is now,
35 JeffM : And little ole Parker grew into a boom town with GW in office? OH my....imagine that.
36 PROSA : For all the talk about how Wal*Mart kils competition, consider that it has a direct competitor - Target - which is performing very well. To some exten
37 PROSA : There's no walmarts, that I know of, in the New York City area. Not within the city limits, but they're in the suburbs. There are eight Wal*Marts on L
38 Seb146 : MD-90: Do you have WinCo where you are? They have the same prices as Wal-Mart. The only difference is WinCo does not accept debit/credit cards. Other
39 AAJAXFlyer : AAJAXflyer- oh yeah, Merrill is horrible. I havent been to the one on Beach, but the one on 103rd street on the westside is about the same as Merrill
40 Deltajax : AAJAXflyer- My grandma lives on the westside and thats the closest walmart to her house, so ive been there a couple of times late at night and it aint
41 AAJAXFlyer : AAJAXflyer- My grandma lives on the westside and thats the closest walmart to her house, so ive been there a couple of times late at night and it ain
42 BR715-A1-30 : I wish Target would build a SUPERTARGET right in front of the walmart here. I would shop at Target and on my way out to my car, I would have something
43 Usairwys757 : I wish Walmart would just go out of business all together. So what if they do have everything? Not everything they have is of quality and most of the
44 Texan : Don't think they have any actual Walmarts in the city of Dallas. There's one in Farmer's Branch and one in Garland, not sure about anywhere else. Anyh
45 Post contains images Flight152 : Shop for a truly better shopping experence. Also, I do think Target caters to a slightly different clientele; Target shoppers have the highest income
46 IMisspiedmont : I buy 4 things, and 4 things only, at Walmart. Socks, Underwear, coffee and toilet paper. And those will cease when the current store is replaced by o
47 Tbar220 : Texan, Thank you thank you thank you! I think that summed it up perfectly, people don't appreciate the hard work that the "little man" does, and they
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