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User currently offlineBFS From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 738 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

After reading the post about asking for the Air Mali timetables, I started to get worried. In August I am going to Université Laval in Québec for four months as part as my modern languages course, and now I am worried that, although I would understand precious little enough in France, I will be completely stuck in Québec. What are the diffences in both the spoken and written languages? Does it take long to get used to? Any advice to help prepare myself would be great!

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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1135 times:

I don't think you will have a problem. The differences between "Quebecois" and French are somewhat exagerated. It is more of a cultural difference than a language difference, although occasionally completely different words are used for certain items.

The French tend to form new words for new items and processes introduced by new technology whereas in Quebec they adopt a bastardized english name for many of these items. Either way, if you know English and French I wouldn't worry about understanding "Quebecois".


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

I don't think you will have a problem. The differences between "Quebecois" and French are somewhat exagerated
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For someone that is totally fluent, I can somewhat agree with this, but for someone learning french, Quebecois is night and day.

French: Je Suis Quebecois: Shu

French: Il y a Quebecois: ye


The list continues, and that is with even the obvious stuff

J


User currently offline707cMf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Also, even though people from Quebec are very proud of their francophony, they tend to use a lot more english words than their european counterparts.

For instance, "I'll check the toaster" : a French would say "Je vais vérifier le grille-pain", and in Québec, it shall (les eaux) become : "Je vais checker le toaster"...

707


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

For instance, "I'll check the toaster" : a French would say "Je vais vérifier le grille-pain", and in Québec, it shall (les eaux) become : "Je vais checker le toaster"...


Well, "checker", like "business", like "compliant" and many other English-like words are the standard in some companies (like mine). And that's really funny to hear those greasy fat managers speaking those horrible Frenglish sentences with a strong and ridiculous accent.

I can't stop laughing when I think about the day a manager told in front of 150 engineers exactly this (it's true):

Il y a des people et des MF. Quand il n'y a plus assez de MF, il faut réduire le nombre de people

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This idiot was sure to sound smart speaking like an asshole !!

Coming back to the Quebecquois: couldn't the accent be a problem ?

[Edited 2004-02-07 21:48:26]

User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1101 times:

It Is the accent. My Quebecois French has proven very difficult for people from France and French professors here to make sense of.

User currently offline707cMf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

Il y a des people et des MF. Quand il n'y a plus assez de MF, il faut réduire le nombre de people

And... what does MF stand for ?

We have the same predicament in my company..
A few days ago, I spoke with our quality manager, and asked him if he still new the French words for "features", "slide"...

Heck, he told us about "Une quality de qualité"

I sometimes use my cat at work as well, now!!!

707


User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

BFS,

My little letter to Air Mali was a big exaggeration about the way we can speak at times. If you hang out in some blue-collar districts of Montreal (Southwest or east end), you could have some problems. But people with a minimum of education are perfectly capable of using a formal French that you will easily understand. The university crowd you'll hang out with shouldn't be a problem.

The differences between Parisian French (which is one way of speaking French, among many in France itself) and Québecois (then again, which region of Québec are we referring to) are quite similar to the differences that exist in English between, say, London and New-York.

I do speak English, but I remember I had a tough time having "normal" conversations in some places in the US and Canada(Kentucky, St-Paul/Minneapolis and Newfoudland are memorable examples). A friend of mine who went in Scotland last year told me he didn't understand a thing over there.

So, no language is perfectly "universal". There are always regional characteristics and, usually, it adds to the richness of the language.

You should have a great time in Québec City. It's a well known fact that the girls in Montreal are very cute. It's a very well kept secret that those in Québec City are even cutter. And Québec City is the nicest city in North America. Lucky you...



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4776 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

I don't claim to be fluent in French at all, but generally I have found the Parisian accent much easier to understand than the Quebecois. The vocabulary isn't that much different, just the pronunciations. I find that Quebecois also tend to speak quite a bit faster.

I guess it is because it is because the Parisian accent is taught in the school system in Ontario...kind of strange acutally.

Quebec city is one of my favourite cities in Canada, but watch out for the slippery sidewalks and crazy drivers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

[Edited 2004-02-08 00:57:40]

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1034 times:

I started out learning French-French in schooll but over time my exposure to Québécois became such that my accent is very much Québécois itself, even some friend at Air France make fun of me because of my accent, but I need only remind one of them that he's got an accent toulousain and the chiding usually stops  Big grin

It's all about what you get used to. I have French friends and I have Canadian friends and when I was learning French-French it was easier to understand my French friends. Now that I've spent more time around my Canadian friends (all my French friends moved home) and have visited Canada a lot it's now easier for me to understand the Québécois. It's all relative to what you're used to. You may have problems at first, but after a while you'll get used to the accent and it will become second nature to you.

Un fier Québécois de l'Amérique  Smile

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

Being a former Montrealer, it just different dialects- Parisian vs. Quebecious. And my French is SO rusty, it takes me two or three days to get into swing, when I go home. For the most part, if you have an encounter and appear to be struggling, they are for the most part, pretty friendly and helpful. As long as you make the effort, you really shouldn't have too much of a problem if at all. Montreal is a beautiful city and have GREAT festivles going on constantly-Comedy, Jazz etc. Enjoy your time in Montreal/ Laval( the North Island). Big grin


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

And... what does MF stand for ?

Millions de Francs

Now it has been replaced ingeniously by Meuros which sounds horribly ridiculous.

[Edited 2004-02-08 10:28:12]

User currently offlineQuebecair727 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 997 times:

BFS, send me an email at a380_200@hotmail.com

I want to send you a personnal message.

Thanks


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