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How Reagan Won The Cold War  
User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2706 times:


How Reagan Won the Cold War

By Dinesh D'Souza

The man who got things right from the start was, at first glance, an unlikely statesman. When he became the leader of the free world he had no experience in foreign policy. Some people thought he was a dangerous warmonger; others considered him a nice fellow, but a bit of a bungler. Nevertheless, this California lightweight turned out to have as deep an understanding of Communism as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. This rank amateur developed a complex, often counter-intuitive strategy for dealing with the Soviet Union which hardly anyone on his staff fully endorsed or even understood. Through a combination of vision, tenacity, patience, and improvisational skill, he produced what Henry Kissinger terms ``the most stunning diplomatic feat of the modern era.'' Or as Margaret Thatcher put it, ``Ronald Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.''

REAGAN had a much more skeptical view of the power of Soviet Communism than either the hawks or the doves. In 1981 he told an audience at the University of Notre Dame, ``The West won't contain Communism. It will transcend Communism. It will dismiss it as some bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written.'' The next year, speaking to the British Parliament, Reagan predicted that if the Western alliance remained strong it would produce a ``march of freedom and democracy which will leave Marxism - Leninism on the ash-heap of history.''

These prophetic assertions -- dismissed as wishful rhetoric at the time -- raise the question: How did Reagan know that Soviet Communism faced impending collapse when the most perceptive minds of his time had no inkling of what was to come? To answer this question, the best approach is to begin with Reagan's jokes. Over the years he had developed an extensive collection of stories which he attributed to the Soviet people themselves. One of these involves a man who goes up to a store clerk in Moscow and asks for a kilogram of beef, half a kilogram of butter, and a quarter kilogram of coffee. ``We're all out,'' the clerk says, and the man leaves. Another man, observing this incident, says to the clerk, ``That old man must be crazy.'' The clerk replies, ``Yeah, but what a memory!''

Another favorite anecdote concerns a man who goes to the Soviet bureau of transportation to order an automobile. He is informed that he will have to put down his money now, but there is a ten-year wait. So he fills out all the various forms, has them processed through the various agencies, and finally gets to the last agency. He pays them his money and they say, ``Come back in ten years and get your car.'' He asks, ``Morning or afternoon?'' The man in the agency says, ``We're talking about ten years from now. What difference does it make?'' He replies, ``The plumber is coming in the morning.''

Reagan could go on in this vein for hours. What is striking, however, is that Reagan's jokes are not about the evil of Communism but about its incompetence. Reagan agreed with the hawks that the Soviet experiment which sought to create a ``new man'' was immoral. At the same time, he saw that it was also basically stupid. Reagan did not need a PhD in economics to recognize that any economy based upon centralized planners' dictating how much factories should produce, how much people should consume, and how social rewards should be distributed was doomed to disastrous failure. For Reagan the Soviet Union was a ``sick bear,'' and the question was not whether it would collapse, but when.

Yet while the Soviet Union had a faltering economy, it had a highly advanced military. No one doubted that Soviet missiles, if fired at American targets, would cause enormous destruction. But Reagan also knew that the evil empire was spending at least 20 per cent of its gross national product on defense. (The actual proportion turned out to be even higher.) Thus Reagan formulated the notion that the West could use the superior economic resources of a free society to outspend Moscow in the arms race, placing intolerable strains on the Soviet regime.

Reagan outlined his ``sick bear'' theory as early as May 1982 in a commencement address at his alma mater, Eureka College. He said, ``The Soviet empire is faltering because rigid centralized control has destroyed incentives for innovation, efficiency, and individual achievement. But in the midst of social and economic problems, the Soviet dictatorship has forged the largest armed force in the world. It has done so by pre-empting the human needs of its people and, in the end, this course will undermine the foundations of the Soviet system.''

Sick bears, however, can be very dangerous -- they tend to lash out. Moreover, since in fact we are discussing not animals but people, there is the question of pride. The leaders of an internally weak empire are not likely to acquiesce in an erosion of their power. They typically turn to their primary source of strength: the military.

Appeasement, Reagan was convinced, would only increase the bear's appetite and invite further aggression. Thus he agreed with the anti-Communist strategy of dealing firmly with the Soviets. But he was more confident than most hawks that Americans were up to the challenge. ``We must realize,'' he said in his first inaugural address, ``that no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.'' What was most visionary about Reagan's view was that it rejected the assumption of Soviet immutability. At a time when no one else could, Reagan dared to imagine a world in which the Communist regime in the Soviet Union did not exist.


The entire article:

http://www.ronaldreagan.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000116;p=

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Excellent tribute,

Too bad you are going to get flack from people here who have a visceral hatred of Ronnie.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

A Ronald Reagan hagiography to spread the "Ronald Reagan won the Cold War" myth again  Insane

In a now famous book published in 1976, French intellectual Emmanuel Todd, after analyzing social trends in the USSR, especially the demographic, concluded that the regime would collapse in 15 years, hence in 1991. It happened exactly as predicted by Todd. That was written 4 years before Reagan was elected.

Ronald Reagan did not win the Cold War. This stance is ridiculous, because it implies that communism could have worked. Communism was doomed from the start. The USSR could not work.

Dump the myth.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Please tell us why the USSR could not work. Thanks.

User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Yeah, but it is always fascinating how they twist and turn the history during Reagan's years in office.

It it sure beats having to worry about what the USSR might do next....

I remember growing up and how in the 1970's and 80's the big worry was a nuclear war between the USSR and the US.

Though still a possibility it is not the hammer hanging over our heads as it once was....and even more so in Europe.

Someday the anti-Reagan group's kids or grandkids might finally see the light.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Of all people ...Dinesh D'Souza,

Have you ever heard this man speak??? He's the Clarence Thomas of Indian or any foreign-transplants in America. In order to gain acceptance in the American political arena he'll sing anything that gives rightwingers a hardon! His take on race in America is absolutely appalling. The man hasn't lived here more than 10 years and yet he's an expert on Race Relations in America, Bush I, Bush II Reagan and anything else conservative! Give me a break! I'll take a synopsis from Halliburton on how to get oil from celery stalks before I believe anything this idiot says! I can't wait for Mark Furman to right a book on Reagan...it oughta be good!

Jeez...the lengths these 'wannabees' will go thru to make a name for them selves!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Thanks for the article. Definitely a great read. And you know Alpha 1 is sitting back having a seizure because he cannot get in and try and tear things apart.

User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

The USSR could not work? It was in power from 1917 until 1991. That is a pretty long time to me and I am sure it was more then a few life times for the average Soviet and Eastern European citizen.

Reagan knew the problem would be the leadership and it's military power.

Funny how the Reagan haters bitch and moan about the evil US military but forget about the Eastern European lock down since 1944 and the murders in the USSR itself after 1917.

Funny I don't remember reading about FDR killing off his Army's officers in the 1930's like Stalin did....

10 countries were converted to communist dictatorships in the 1970's and early 1980's - doesn't look like a lame bear on the surface to me....and it didn't to any other leader in the world when Reagan was elected President.

Name me one world leader who predicted the fall of the USSR as preciously as Reagan did... and please provide a reference.



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

I agree with KROC. A great article.

Ronald Reagan did not win the Cold War.....Communism was doomed from the start. The USSR could not work.

Communism managed to survive for 70 years and could easily have lasted another 70 years. Reagan was the one who pushed it over the edge. Thank God for Reagan.

French intellectual Emmanuel Todd

Was there ever a Frenchman who was NOT a self-appointed intellectual?



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

BN747,

Seems you only had a chance to read the title and the name of the author ...there were 57 more lines quoted - please reload you system in order to read them. (Not to mentioned the rest of the article that was provided with a link at the end.)

Thanks,
North County


User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Communism managed to survive for 70 years and could easily have lasted another 70 years.

So, you're telling me, no joke, that communism works, right?

I'm supposed to be the guy on the left here, and I don't believe communism is sustainable. On the other hand, the right-wing pundits, in an effort to idolize Reagan, have to claim that communism works.

This ain't real...



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Once again... please tell me what aspects of communism makes it "not work."

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Communism managed to survive for 70 years and could easily have lasted another 70 years.

So, you're telling me, no joke, that communism works, right?


It's not a question of whether "it works". With a dictatorial government and a strong military, it can be imposed. As it was in the former USSR for 70 years. it could easily have lasted another 70 or more years in the absense of an external threat to test the limits of the communist economy.

That testing of the limits came from Reagan who spiked up military spending causing the USSR to do the same which caused it to unravel politically & economically.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

It's not a question of whether "it works". With a dictatorial government and a strong military, it can be imposed. As it was in the former USSR for 70 years. it could easily have lasted another 70 or more years in the absense of an external threat to test the limits of the communist economy.

The argument could be made that if the USSR had survived for another few decades, that the unravelling of the Soviet system would've been far more violent than it has been. And the people probably would've been worse off economically and taken far more time to recover and "catch up" with the western world when the Wall finally did come down.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4264 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Gorbachev's reforms kinda had something to do with its downfall as well, if I recall. And they had weaker leadership during the 1970s and 1980s than they had in the past. Party infighting played a major role in its downfall as well. The lack of trading partners also hurt the USSR, and eventually Gorbachev decided to allow limited trade and freedoms to people. Reagan did not "win" the Cold War. The Soviet Union would have fallen anyway because of Gorbachev's liberalization policies with or without Reagan's being in office. Now, Gorbachev may not have liberalized the country enough to actually make a natural transition to a new form of government, but Russia has a history of uprisings, and if the Soviet leadership had attempted to take away the new freedoms, popular uprisings likely would have occurred, forcing the fall of the USSR.

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2595 times:

Weaker Leadership?--- What about the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979?

10 countries converted to Communism leadership in the 1970's-early 1980's


User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2588 times:

History of uprisings - yeah, in 1917

In 1917 the Czars were spending money and manpower on the war with Austria and Germany.

The people revolted because they were starving and their solders didn't have enough to eat....Funny that is how Reagan hoped to to win the Cold War...have them spend even money on "guns" so they could not spend it on "butter"....


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2586 times:

10 countries converted to Communism leadership in the 1970's-early 1980's

How many of those countries stayed with a Communist leadership into the 1990s, though....?



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2581 times:

It's not a question of whether "it works".

Baloney.

It is a matter whether it works or not. I just claim that communism cannot work and it had to collapse one day. It did so in 1991, at least in the USSR, earlier in other Warsaw Pact countries.

The only war Reagan won was against the very threatening island of Grenada, in October 1983.

What can be said about an invasion launched by a nation of 240 million people against one of 110 thousand? And when the invader is, militarily and economically, the most powerful in the world, and the target of its attack is an underdeveloped island of small villages 1,500 miles away, 133 square miles in size, whose main exports are cocoa, nutmeg and bananas...

The United States government had a lot to say about it. The relation which its pronouncements bore to the truth can be accurately gauged by the fact that three days after the invasion the deputy White House press secretary for foreign affairs resigned, citing "damage to his personal credibility''.


Read the rest here.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2581 times:



More from the article:

Even some who were previously skeptical of Reagan were forced to admit that his policies had been thoroughly vindicated. Reagan's old nemesis Henry Kissinger observed that while it was Bush who presided over the final disintegration of the Soviet empire, ``it was Ronald Reagan's Presidency which marked the turning point.'' Cardinal Casaroli, the Vatican secretary of state, remarked publicly that the Reagan military buildup, which he had opposed at the time, had led to the collapse of Communism.

These conclusions are widely accepted in the former Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe. When Czech president Vaclav Havel visited Washington, D.C., in May 1997 I asked him whether Reagan's defense strategy and his diplomacy were vital factors in ending the Cold War. Of course, Havel said, adding that ``both Reagan and Gorbachev deserve credit'' because while Soviet Communism might have imploded eventually, without them ``it would have taken a lot longer.''

Havel's point is incontestable. Yet Reagan won and Gorbachev lost. If Gorbachev was the trigger, it was Reagan who pulled it. For the third time in this century, the United States has fought and prevailed in a world war. In the Cold War, Reagan turned out to be our Churchill: it was his vision and leadership that led us to victory.


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2574 times:

And he still refuses to answer the question.

User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2574 times:

About the countries staying with communism through the 1990's...well seeing as how the major communist county for the prior 70 years was in turmoil it seems to be a moot point.

I brought up the 10 countries the converted to communist leadership in the 10 years prior to Reagan becoming Presedent to show that the USSR and Communism was not on the decline.

Now after Reagan took office that changed....


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2570 times:

I brought up the 10 countries the converted to communist leadership in the 10 years prior to Reagan becoming Presedent to show that the USSR and Communism was not on the decline.

I can only really think of a half-dozen countries which changed to a bona fide, red-banner communist country..... and again, most of those regimes didn't last a decade.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2570 times:

Any government will remain in power as long as you have control over the people and keep them in line.

The USSR has vast oil and gold reserves and incredible amounts of manpower.
The also had more Nuclear warheads then the US.

Communism the economic system will not work but a political power with enough military might and resources to sell can stay in power. Reagan talked about the inefficiencies and how the economic system was flawed.

Reagan defeated the USSR in the Cold War. He did not defeat the Russian people or destroy communism. In 1991 there were still some communist counties in the world.


[Edited 2004-02-10 23:18:43]

User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2568 times:

Ronald Reagan won the cold war ? Jesus tap dancing Christ dude. The cold war lasted from 1946 until 1989. Giving Reagan the credit for "winning the cold war" is simply wrong. The republicans are so disparate for a republican hero Reagan is all they have....


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
25 Qb001 : Communism the system will not work but a political power with enough military might and resources to sell can stay in power. See, you admit it yoursel
26 Cfalk : If you want an interesting read about Reagan, read Edmund Morris' Dutch It is the result of 13 years of research and privelidged access, and while Mor
27 North County : The USSR was not a pure form of communism - everything did not go to the people - it was a totalitarian system - where were the free elections? The pe
28 North County : We need to clear something up...the USSR could have survived since we are talking about the government, the party and the military that keep it in pow
29 Texan : Actually, there was a privileged class not formed by the Communist Party in Russia made up of professionals. And actually, there were public uprisings
30 BN747 : As my dad said....'They couldn't eat the missiles!' Above all else, we (the USA) needed....I repeat 'needed' the USSR..why do you think we gave them a
31 L-188 : All of this begun under Carter...not Reagan And the man the rabbit attacked had nothing to do with any of it. Malaise
32 Juanr : Reagan did not win the cold war, it was Jean Paul II who won it. Juan SKBO
33 Vafi88 : There was no "war" and Reagan didn't "win" anything. The USSR collapsed on its' own because of sheer size and the VERY different ethnicities involved
34 L-188 : Vafi88...... I think that is exactly the point. The USSR would have collapsed on it's own like a ballon in cold water. Reagan however added ice to tha
35 Airplay : How Reagan won the cold war.. I'm pretty sure Ronnie thought the cold war was the one that George Washington fought when he had to spend the winter in
36 Post contains images BN747 : LOL...couldn't have said it better myself Airplay!!! BN747
37 North County : I have relatives in Hungary and they agree with the former Czech president and Margaret Thacher that Reagan was the one individual most responsible fo
38 Post contains images Russophile : If Reagan won the Cold War, it would be interesting today to hear from him first hand about his memories on this great victory Saying Reagan defeated
39 BN747 : Uh North County, Carter was a hardcore humanitarian, the 1st president ever to make the call for respect for 'Human Rights' universally (esp. re: Chil
40 North County : Donk, Donk, Donk..... That is truth banging his head against the wall after reading Russophile post. It would be nice to be able to ask the 100 millio
41 Qb001 : Very interesting reading some posts here. Beside communism, there are other factors that precipitated the fall of the USSR. Solidarnosc was mentioned
42 L-188 : Oh Soviet scientists where and are excellent theorists. Take for example the basic theories behind the stealth fighter. They came from a Soviet lab.
43 Post contains images Russophile : You should bang your head against the wall a bit more North County, only then might you begin to see how it really was What exactly was the Cold War?
44 Post contains links and images Klaus : ...From the "companion thread": MD-90: BS. The collapse of the Soviet Empire was a huge surprise to everyone in the Bush Sr. administration. Strange.
45 Post contains images Qb001 : To echo Klaus comments. I once read the account of François Mitterand first encounter with Gorbatchev, back in the mid-80, when Gorbatchev was Agricu
46 North County : The Cold War was the puppet governments of the Warsaw pact countries. Russian troops entered Hungary in '56 and Prague in '68. The Hungarian people di
47 Post contains images Klaus : You can shut your eyes and go "na-na-na-na-naaa-na-I-can´t-hear-you!-na-na...." until you´re blue in the face. Or you could look at the background.
48 North County : I was of voting age in 1980. First year at UCSD..... I will not be able to change your view of Reagan and you have not changed mine.... Please tell me
49 Qb001 : No wait, now watch them tell us no one "won" the Cold War....or better yet that the USSR "won" No, the USSR lost. Pretty much by itself, because its s
50 Post contains links North County : Here is a Time cover for Klaus: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/0,16641,1101570107,00.html
51 Post contains links and images Russophile : And here's a cover for you North County http://i.timeinc.net/time/personoftheyear/archive/covers/images/1957.jpg Or how about this one? http://www.tim
52 Post contains images Klaus : North County, I´m challenging your view that "there once was the evil Soviet Union, and nothing ever changed; And then came Ronald Reagan and he sing
53 North County : Reagan didn't bring down communism - He won the cold war.....see the title of the original post. There is a major difference..... Breaking the Iron Cu
54 Klaus : Sorry, but as far as ending the hostilities in the cold war goes, it´s definitely Gorbachev, not Reagan!
55 Post contains images Cfalk : Sorry, but as far as ending the hostilities in the cold war goes, it´s definitely Gorbachev, not Reagan! That's kinda like saying Admiral Doenitz end
56 North County : No hero worship here - I presented an article that summed up the fact that Reagan won the Cold War. The author references PUBLIC SPEECHES were Reagan
57 Post contains images Texan : North County: You said you were voting in 1980. In that case, you should know about the Siberian uprisings in the 1970s and 1980s. You should know abo
58 Post contains images Klaus : Cfalk: That's kinda like saying Admiral Doenitz ended WWII, just because he was the guy who surrendered... Comparing Gorbachev with Dönitz doesn´t e
59 North County : Texan - the power of the Army was enough to put down any problems in Siberia, Kluse, I don't need to buy what you are selling - we have a dairy near b
60 Russophile : Texan..HOW DARE you bring facts into this discussion? I am suggesting deletion of your post -- if only they had "User presented facts" as a deletion s
61 L-188 : Yes I would have blamed them for launching a first strike. Lets examine what you are trying to string together here. The 10/23/83 invasion of Grenada
62 North County : Russophile, That is one very "INTERESTING" theory..... Donk, Donk, Donk.....
63 Russophile : L-188, I am fully aware that the Beirut barracks bombings occurred -- yes, this was a reason for increased security, but let's consider, putting every
64 North County : Had to Email my brother the "83 First strike theory" - he was 20+ years Army counter-intelligence - speaks Russian. Bro' said you should hear what the
65 North County : Now there is an "Interesting" idea: "The USSR had a good reason to over react with a First Strike nuclear attack on the United States and Europe." An
66 BN747 : "While there are extreme positions on either side in this thread, I question those who say things like Airplay's "The point is, if ANYTHING good came
67 Post contains links L-188 : Well here is a CNN story about Able Archer, which If memory serves was part of Reforger 83, maybe somebody can confirm. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/co
68 MD-90 : Except that Cfalk has always had very thoughtful, well researched post that clearly state the facts and his opinions about them. He has a lot of credi
69 MD-90 : And I also see quite a few useful idiots on this forum. If you don't understand what I mean, perhaps you should read Mona Charen's excellent book of t
70 Russophile : Well then North County....please do give your username and password to your brother, because then he can come right here and tell us what they told hi
71 North County : Russiophile, Since my brother still has security clearance - he won't be posting on this or any other forum. That is why I was very clear about what
72 Cfalk : what I do agree with is that the Soviets were wanting to negotiate an end to nuclear proliferation, but Reagan was not interested -- rather he wanted
73 North County : Cfak, Well written post.
74 NoUFO : Charles, it was actually former Chancellor Schmidt together with D'Estaing who urged the U.S. administration to install Pershing II on German soil. Th
75 Russophile : Charles, it was the Soviets themselves who wanted to negotiate limitations of nuclear weapons long before the deployments occurred -- it was the Ameri
76 NoUFO : Charles, it was the Soviets themselves who wanted to negotiate limitations of nuclear weapons long before the deployments occurred No, go ask Helmut S
77 L-188 : Also don't underestimate the effect of the decision to base GLCM or Ground Launched Cruise Missiles in England. Again to counter the soviet threat fro
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