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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 884 times:

"The first version published of yesterday's Note included what was intended as a SATIRICAL report of a fictional ABC News/Washington Post poll. No such poll was conducted. The questions and results listed were not from a real poll.

But on this day when John Kerry has a chance for wins in Tennessee and/or Virginia that just might get the Southern monkey off of his back -- and take an opponent out of the race -- and after two full news cycles in which Kerry's transient upper hand over President Bush doesn't seem to have been removed by the "Meet" appearance -- on this day, let us tell you again what we tried to say yesterday.

Like every other institution, the Washington and political press corps operate with a good number of biases and predilections.

They include, but are not limited to, a near-universal shared sense that liberal political positions on social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion, and religion are the default, while more conservative positions are "conservative positions."

They include a belief that government is a mechanism to solve the nation's problems; that more taxes on corporations and the wealthy are good ways to cut the deficit and raise money for social spending and don't have a negative affect on economic growth; and that emotional examples of suffering (provided by unions or consumer groups) are good ways to illustrate economic statistic stories.

More systematically, the press believes that fluid narratives in coverage are better than static storylines; that new things are more interesting than old things; that close races are preferable to loose ones; and that incumbents are destined for dethroning, somehow.

The press, by and large, does not accept President Bush's justifications for the Iraq war -- in any of its WMD, imminent threat, or evil-doer formulations. It does not understand how educated, sensible people could possibly be wary of multilateral institutions or friendly, sophisticated European allies.

It does not accept the proposition that the Bush tax cuts helped the economy by stimulating summer spending.

It remains fixated on the unemployment rate.

It believes President Bush is "walking a fine line" with regards to the gay marriage issue, choosing between "tolerance" and his "right-wing base."

It still has a hard time understanding how, despite the drumbeat of conservative grass-top complaints about overspending and deficits, President Bush's base remains extremely and loyally devoted to him -- and it looks for every opportunity to find cracks in that base.

Of course, the swirling Joe Wilson and National Guard stories play right to the press's scandal bias -- not to mention the bias towards process stories (grand juries produce ENDLESS process!).

The worldview of the dominant media can be seen in every frame of video and every print word choice that is currently being produced about the presidential race.

That means the President's communications advisers have a choice:

Try to change the storyline and the press' attitude, or try to win this election without changing them."

Rest of the article can be found here
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Nah, no liberal bias in the U.S. media. It is all made up by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Of course, those who believe that drink more Koolaid than the Deaniacs.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 868 times:

Those are all very valid points for your argument, but I ask of you this: How much of the stuff coming from FOX NEWS is actually news? I have seen stories on CNN that lean very strongly to the right, as well as left. Fair and Balanced? You decide.

DLKAPA


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 861 times:

Any liberal bias you see in the media will run no further than the extent that the media's megacorporate owners wil allow it.

Liberal bias infuriates people and sells papers but, at the end of the day, these papers (and TV/radio stations) are governed by very conservative boards of directors. Think about it.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 860 times:

Fair and Balanced they are not.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 853 times:

Same old story... Bad news about Dubya is from the Liberal media. Face it if the Liberal media would ignore the "no WMD in Iraq" issue Dubya wouldn't be doing so bad. But I guess they report it because they are liberals ??? Just like reporting American deaths in Iraq is deliberately making the war look bad. If dubya looses in Nov. it will be the liberals fault right ???I can here the whinning now ........


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 851 times:

Same old story... Bad news about Dubya is from the Liberal media. Face it if the Liberal media would ignore the "no WMD in Iraq" issue Dubya wouldn't be doing so bad. But I guess they report it because they are liberals ??? Just like reporting American deaths in Iraq is deliberately making the war look bad. If dubya looses in Nov. it will be the liberals fault right ???I can here the whinning now ........

What do you suggest that we do? NOT report the news? That will be great. I wonder what it would look like: "Today in Iraq no lives were lost when no car bombs exploded in the city center of Basra." Fair and balanced reporting right there.  Yeah sure

DLKAPA


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 847 times:

Here's a link to a good article.....

http://www.brain-terminal.com/articles/politics/cronkite-admits.html



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 842 times:

OOH OH NO! NOT CRONKITE! a.. oh wait, didn't he RETIRE some years back? I do believe that it can't be said whether or not he reports to the left or right, as he doesn't even report at all. Sorry man, that article is about twenty years to late.

Besides, it all just sounds like some whiner complaining about something that most people should find insignificant.

DLKAPA


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 840 times:

OOH OH NO! NOT CRONKITE! a.. oh wait, didn't he RETIRE some years back? I do believe that it can't be said whether or not he reports to the left or right, as he doesn't even report at all. Sorry man, that article is about twenty years to late.

It's obvious you didn't read the article. Oh well.....



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 835 times:

Yeah, of course the medias are biased. Take it from B757300, a man who read the very serious Sunday Mirror on a regular basis...


Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 832 times:

Incidentally, I looked up the definition of "liberal" in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for "liberal" as "progressive," "broad-minded," "unprejudiced," "beneficent." The antonyms it offered: "reactionary" and "intolerant."
-Walter Cronkite

lib·er·al
(click to hear the word) (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.

Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.


Isn't it funny how both Cronkite's definition and the dictionary definition are pretty closely related?

DLKAPA
http://www.yourdictionary.com

[Edited 2004-02-11 03:07:05]

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 822 times:

Funny how even a dictionary in this day and age can be so wrong.

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 814 times:

And how, might I ask, is a dictionary wrong, Jeff? Is that even possible?

DLKAPA


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 812 times:

of the ideas and behavior of others

Tell that to any christian



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 811 times:

of course it's possible...

here, according to Merriam-Webster...

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=liberal&x=11&y=11


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 809 times:

Jeff, I hope that you realize that your definition of the word Liberal and my definition of the word Liberal are exactly the same, just in different order?

Might be good to have another look-see.

DLKAPA


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 803 times:

The New York Times, the most influential newspaper in the entire world, has an EXTREMELY liberal owner. And while there is diversity of color, sex, and sexual orientation in many newsrooms, too often there isn't very much diversity of opinion.

You can't defend liberal bias in the media until you read Bernie Goldberg's Bias and optionally the sequel, Arrogance.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 790 times:

I was referring to the "lacking moral restraint ", "not bound by authoritarianism", and "marked by generosity" portions....

Of course liberals lack moral restraint... {no example given...too obvious..}

they obviously are not bound by authoritarianism, just look at the Supremes...and they way they change the rules in the middle of things.

Marked by generosity? Sure, just as soon as we raise the taxes....will give those people without, more of your money....


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 775 times:

You cannot equate the word "Liberal" in a dictionary the political agenda. Communists always called themselves "democratic republics", but it did not make it true. It's just a convenient label. I find political liberals to be no more or less bigoted, close-minded or prejudiced than conservatives, generally speaking.

Charles


User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 769 times:

Now now B757300....I expected more of you -- like the article to be from the Sunday Mirror.

And how, might I ask, is a dictionary wrong, Jeff? Is that even possible?

Look up the word terrorism in a dictionary. There is the dictionary meaning, or the new American government meaning which goes along the lines of "You are either with us or against us -- and if you are against my plans to do what I like, when I like and wherever I like, you will be either branded a terrorist, or a terrorist sympathiser at the very least".


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 770 times:

Well the latest lable is "progressives"

Apparently "Liberal" has too much of a negative meaning the in the poltical arena.

So a lot of democrat boosters are using the "progressive" label now, same S#!^ different name I guess.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 731 times:

Look up the word terrorism in a dictionary. There is the dictionary meaning, or the new American government meaning which goes along the lines of "You are either with us or against us -- and if you are against my plans to do what I like, when I like and wherever I like, you will be either branded a terrorist, or a terrorist sympathiser at the very least".

That would mean that the Government definition is Incorrect, not the dictionary.

Apparently "Liberal" has too much of a negative meaning the in the poltical arena.

I'd be proud to run as a liberal. Probably wouldn't get much votes, but at least I'd be proud.

DLKAPA


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