This is sickening, a girl is raped, goes to Eckered Drug Store to get the morning after pill and the Pharmacist turns her down because he is a religious person.
Give me a damn break. This guy's head is so far in the clouds he does not know what he is doing. The woman was raped, and he thought it was a good idea to let the egg conceive. This pisses me off. I'm glad he was fired.
I'm all for religion and what not, but you can not mix personal interests with business, especially in this case. I'm at a loss for words.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13614 posts, RR: 63 Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1344 times:
As some of you know I´ve been living in western Ireland for a few years. There I had some friends, a German couple. They already had three children and the wife decided it was enough. Back then they lived in a real rural part of Co. Galway. She went to her gyn and asked for a prescription of the pill. The gyn refused due to religious reasons and that since she was just in her mid thirties and had only three children, she should have some more. In the same region once I tried to buy a pack of condoms in a pharmacy ( not available in supermarkets, like e.g. in Germany). The pharmacist told me he wasn´t selling any contraceptives due to religious reasons.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1334 times:
Jan, if the doctor was in his own practice, and if the pharmacist owned his own pharmacy (much more common in Europe than in the US), I think that is OK. I don't particularly approve, but it's within their rights.
But if the clinic does not belong to the doctor, or the pharmacist is only an employee, it's wrong.
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1317 times:
Firstly (in my opinion), killing is killing. If you permit killing babies in womb, than you should also permit killing childs (this is hypothetical obviously), for example, beyond age 3 or something like this ("they still aren't able to think as human beings", other such nonsense) or maybe beyond even 18 years old if parents finds these kids unwanted later. Or maybe also let's make it possible to kill old and ill people for their kids and grandchildren if they thinks that these people are too hard to take care off. Where the world is going?.. (and rape has nothing to do here because the child isn't responsible for the rape. And it is NOT a property of woman. No human beings can be property of other human beings, regardless of how incapable to look after themselves they are. Unless you believe in slavery, nazism or things I mentioned above).
Now back to the topic - I do understand the pharmacist, because he didn't wanted to take part in, although unpanished, killing (it is about equal to giving weapons for a murder). However, there is a second thing - in USA abortions are legal, and because of this, every pharmacist should know that he would have to sell these pills. If he doesn't wants it (and I, yet again, completely understand him), he shouldn't work there (unless, As Cfalk said, he owns the pharmacy). Same as, for example, I doubt Gestapo soldiers could have complained about the fact that they had to kill Jews - such were laws at a time.
And, by the way, despite of what I have said above, there are certain cases on which I would agree with abortion. Just that I would never deny that it is killing. I could agree with killing in some cases (e.g. death penality, wars, euthanasia), but I do completely understand that there are people who can't.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8038 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1261 times:
This isn't the same as abortion. It's a pill to prevent ovulation just like birth control. It's not wrong, especially for a rape victim. If that guy didn't own the place, then he's far outside his rights to deny her.
However, I'm sick of people blaming "religion" for causing this and other things. I'm a pretty religious person and I find it rather offensive. The guy is an idiot but it has nothing to do with him beleiving in God. Lay off.
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1235 times:
The birth control pill prevents ovulation. My girlfriend went to a Catholic university where she was forced to endure a religion class. The priest that taught the class said that the pill is an "unconscious abortion" every time you take it. So I guess that means she needs to go to confession every day.
The morning after pill prevents the egg from anchoring in the uterus thus causing it to abort. It is slightly different but who the hell cares. It takes a special kind of wacko to deny the pill to someone who was raped.
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1225 times:
N766UA, I am sorry, I thought the pills people mentioned were the means for so-called "chemical abortion" (which is banned here in Lithuania, by the way), which means drugs forcing child to "go out". As for contraception, I have less strict views. By the way, I do completely agree with you about religion - it seems some people are so eager to blame it for almost everything. They should remember that no one forces religion on people (I am talking about democratic countries now), and if someone chooses such a lifestyle and such norms, and chooses to believe in God, what is bad in that?
ScarletHarlot's post (I mean last sentences written in quoutes) quite proves my words. Everyone can believe in whatever he/she wants (in my opinion). You can believe that killing is right and if laws at your state does not prohibits it, than you will be permitted to do this. However, you by no means should not force this believe to other people. It's not like these other people would be kidnapped by evil priests and forced to believe in God. They chose it so themselves, just like you chosen to be atheist. (by the way, this wasn't exacly related with the "morning after" pills, just some abstract words from me).
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8038 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1218 times:
I thought the pills people mentioned were the means for so-called "chemical abortion"
I understand where you're coming from, but the morning after pill is really just an emergency birth control. The child hasn't even been conceived yet so it can hardly be considered killing it. I'm 100% against abortion of any kind, but this is different. In fact, I applaude the girl for trying to get the pill rather than wait 3 months and have an abortion like some other idiots out there.
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1206 times:
No, I understand what do you mean now and these pills are legal here. What I mean by "chemical abrotion" pills is other kind of drugs, which could be used, if I am correct, as much as half a month since a woman became pregnant. These drugs kills the child and forces it to go out. This procedure is easier to do than medical abortion. There was quite many discutions in parliament over legalisation of these drugs, but law wasn't passed.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13614 posts, RR: 63 Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1173 times:
Concerning the refusal of the gyn in Ireland to prescribe the pill to a mother of 3, the problem was that he/she was the only one for about 30 miles and this lady didn´t own a car back then.
Also, when I was there I was surprised about the very high number of teenage pregnancies compared to Germany.
Sophiemaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1100 times:
how terrible. I had a friend who was going into a women's clinic (that did a lot of abortions) to get free birth control pills. She was walking in and people were yelling at her about killing her baby. She wasn't even pregnant. I have another friend, a guy friend, who was acompanying a female friend to an abortion clinic to actually have an abortion. There were a bunch of obnoxious people yelling at the girl who was upset enough already. My friend, an ex-football player, knocked one of the guys out. When they got inside one of the police officers that was hired as security for the place came up to my friend and thanked him for doing what he couldn't.
Espion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1039 times:
Abortion has been a big issue ever since it was legalized.I would allow obortion ONLY to rape victims OR women under 18.I hate it when people base their opinions on religon.I think of it this way-times have REALLY changed since biblical times.
PS:for all of you who are going to rant at me because i support abortion under some circumstances,well i dont care-you cant change my beliefs.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12959 posts, RR: 62 Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1035 times:
The pharmacist should have argued that he was afraid an anti-abortion activist might blow up the drugstore if he filled the prescription, saying he denied the sale based on safety concerns for himself and his co-workers.
I'm sure Eckerd probably has a policy to provide employees with a safe work environment...and that argument might just be enough to get an attention-seeking attorney to take it on.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
Deltaownsall From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1026 times:
Things like this are enraging...firing the guy really isn't punishment enough in my opinion. Sometimes I wish close-minded religious zealots like this would just keep their opinions to themselves, stop constantly trying to make others shameful, and, as in this case, stop screwing up others' lives.