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Pork Forbidden According To Bible  
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus:

“…and the swine, as he divideth the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.” (Leviticus chapter 11 verse 7 and 8)

Pork is also prohibited in the book of Deuteronomy:

“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.” (Deuteronomy chapter 14 verse 8)

A similar prohibition is repeated in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

So why do Christians eat it?




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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

So why do Christians eat it?

Because it tastes good!


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Why do 'Christians' do allot of things forbidden in the bible?  Yeah sure

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Airmale, that's the old testament. There's a verse in the new testament that says animals are all God's creations, and none of them are "dirty". There are lots of laws in the old testament that are followed by the Jews that we don't have to, such as circumcision.


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User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

I don't think the men that wrote that ever had a good a good chop, or peppered bacon...

KROC hit the nail on the head, Christians aren't "allowed" to do a lot of shit in the bible, so the question becomes is the Bible a guide, or shall it be understood as absolute law?

J




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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

It depends on how convenient it is.

Signed, Pat Robertson and every state south of Pennsylvania



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Maybe because a lot of contents of ancient sources like the Bible have to be interpreted within the historical context of the time?

With the invention of modern pharmacological inventions, a cooling chain between butcher and private concumer, the danger to get sick from "unclean swine" has somewhat diminished, wouldn't you think so?

Your example only goes to show that you need more than mere reading abilities to understand religious documents, what you also need is the intelligence and knowledge to interpret what your eyes can see.





Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Maybe because a lot of contents of ancient sources like the Bible have to be interpreted within the historical context of the time?

With the invention of modern pharmacological inventions, a cooling chain between butcher and private concumer, the danger to get sick from "unclean swine" has somewhat diminished, wouldn't you think so?

Your example only goes to show that you need more than mere reading abilities to understand religious documents, what you also need is the intelligence and knowledge to interpret what your eyes can see.


And your example only goes to show what happens when people don't read other posts (and find out that pork isn't forbidden anymore).



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Well,
Dear Marco maybe it just took me a little longer to write my post, because I have to work seriously at the same time? Maybe this time span was long enough for someother folks to make their posts?

Just goes to show that making assumptions can make an ASS out of U and sometimes also MEBig grin



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

I think I remember it sez somewhere in the Bible that shellfish are forbidden too, but I like lobster also. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineGo4EVA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

In the New Testament, according to Acts:

10:11 He saw heaven opened and a certain container descending to him, like a great sheet let down by four corners on the earth, 10:12 in which were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild animals, reptiles, and birds of the sky. 10:13 A voice came to him, "Rise, Peter, kill and eat!"

10:14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."

10:15 A voice came to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed, you must not call unclean." 10:16 This was done three times, and immediately the vessel was received up into heaven.

To answer the question, Christ did away with the Levitical covenant with the New covenant.

The Law convicts the heart, those who want a relationship with God can now do so through Christ.

Hope this helps...

God bless,

- Jeff

[Edited 2004-02-19 16:07:05]

User currently offlineGo4EVA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

By the way,

Excellent question Airmale !

Peace to all,

- Jeff


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Airmale, meat processing has come a long way since then. Pork is clean and safe to eat now. Its also damn tasty.


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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

I like my pork clean, safe and tasty as well. But it has to make over 100 thousand dollars a year for me to give it a shot.

Signed, SophieMaltese


User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

I prefer getting a hot beef injection instead of a pork sword any day.

Signed,
Airmale

[Edited 2004-02-19 16:48:37]

User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

A good intro to kosher dietary laws: http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Well,
Dear Marco maybe it just took me a little longer to write my post, because I have to work seriously at the same time? Maybe this time span was long enough for someother folks to make their posts?

Just goes to show that making assumptions can make an ASS out of U and sometimes also ME.


Anyway you started a debate on theology (irrelevant), and your info was wrong, so if you're confused about who the ass is, think again.



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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

Well thank god for the Acts of the Apostles. Can you imagine not having the game of football (aka pigskin).

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Well Marco, if it makes you feel better to call someone on the internet the Assmeister, feel free to do so. Feels good to be awarded this title on an internet board by someone totally irrelevant to my life. Big grin

Have a nice evening and stay as smart as you are.  Smile



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineAdvancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Hi there,
Excellent question Airmale. If both the OT and NT are from
G-d Almighty. Why does G-d change his mind about what's
pure and what's not, (eg. pork)? Jesus, as far as I have
learned, didn't come to destroy the law or change it
(taken from his own words).
Even Muslims follow same dietary laws as in the OT. makes
me think 2 against 1. In which case I would believe pork is
still (impure) unhealthy (proven by modern medicine also btw).

Advanced



User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Airmale asks a legit question and Airplay has to come along and screw things up. If you have nothing intelligent to say Airplay, you know what to do.

Screw things up? I don't think I stopped you from expressing your views on this forum. If you don't like my statement, too bad, but don't try to accuse me of "screwing" anything up.

Besides, doesn't the bible teach you to hate the sin but love the sinner? Oh..I guess you only read the parts that you like Marco....

Christians are cleaner and more desirable company then some Canadians.

At' a boy. Lash out at a country based on my statements about religion....

Just ask any Lion from the Roman Empire times. They prefer the taste of Christian over pork any day!

 Smile







User currently offlineGo4EVA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Advancedkid:

God knew from the beginning that man could not be as holy as He is. Instead He gave man law to establish what sin really was (this is from the Bible). Now, knowing what is good and perfect, man needed a way to stand before a holy God.

Jesus was not God's mechanism for implementing the change in acceptable foods (re-read my post); it was God the Father Himself.

As for changing the Law and the nature of God, we can read in Genesis where God initially required us to be vegetarians:

1:29 God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. 1:30 To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the sky, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;” and it was so.

In Chapter 9, the Earth has changed because of the Noachian flood, and we read:

9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you will be on every animal of the earth, and on every bird of the sky. Everything that the ground teems with, and all the fish of the sea are delivered into your hand. 9:3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you. As the green herb, I have given everything to you.

God is sovereign... This is His creation, and He only requires obedience. This upsets many atheists, I understand. However, by writing "G-d", I believe you're indicating you believe the ENTIRE OT. If that's the case... re-read Genesis. Actually, you should read both the OT & NT.

God bless,

- Jeff

[Edited 2004-02-19 19:30:05]

User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Cptkrell, it says, also in Leviticus, that you are not allowed to eat shellfish. Not you in particular, of course, but Chrisians and Jews in general. In that same book, I believe, it states that it is ok to sell one's daughter into slavery and that one should sacrifice a bull upon an altar because the smell is pleasing to God. Unfortunately, the same smell is not pleasing to my neighbors in the apartment complex, so I am not able to follow the Bible word for word, and the police (damn the man!) really object to me trying to sell my daughter. Times change and the Bible, especially the Old Testament, should be considered either a partial history or a guide instead of sacrosanct law. The Bible, especially parts of the New Testament, can be a great guide, but time and context must be considered when reading it.

Texan



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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

I don't think I ever read that blowing up buildings in the Quran is okay, so what's your point?




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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

But the fact that Pork is forbidden to Jews and Muslims as well should make you think twice, why should they be adhereing to the order? theres got to be truth in it, Porks do eat their own crap even if kept in the cleanest of environs and I also heard the Pork meat can cause 75 different diseases.


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25 Aa61hvy : "Pork meat can cause 75 different diseases" So can Chicken, ground beef, some vegtables, tofu, everything can give you a disease... "But the fact that
26 777236ER : Airmale, that's the old testament. There's a verse in the new testament that says animals are all God's creations, and none of them are "dirty". There
27 Cptkrell : Airmale; dogs eat their own crap, too, and we know of societies where dog is a regular staple. That pork can transmit disease, trichinosis(sp?) being
28 Csavel : There is a book about eating taboos by an anthropologist called Marvin Harris, I forgot the name of the book. he says that the pork prohibition is bec
29 Post contains images Maiznblu_757 : Username: KROC From United States, joined May 2000, 12062 posts, RR: 100 Reply: 13 Posted Thu Feb 19 2004 16:41:18 UTC+1 and read 217 times: I like my
30 L-188 : Pork is still generally a cleaner meat to eat then Black Bear. Still Black Bear makes great Sausage.
31 Covert : I don't think I ever read that blowing up buildings in the Quran is okay, so what's your point? Yes, you are correct, the Qu'ran contains no such thin
32 Airmale : Csavel Muslims are not allowed to drink the blood of any animal, eat flesh of swine and dead carrion, as well as anything that has been slaughtered wi
33 Aa61hvy : My point is Covert- that people are going against their religon's word. Airmale tries to make Christians look bad, like always, but when it comes down
34 Airmale : Did I say Christians are bad? does my query make them seem bad? if it makes you feel better Bisexuality is rampant in Muslim countries despite it bein
35 Ryanb741 : The only reason pork is considered 'unclean' is because Judaism, Islam and Christianity originate in the Middle East and in general any pig that survi
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