Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 368 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1521 times:
The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus:
“…and the swine, as he divideth the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.” (Leviticus chapter 11 verse 7 and 8)
Pork is also prohibited in the book of Deuteronomy:
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.” (Deuteronomy chapter 14 verse 8)
A similar prohibition is repeated in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1506 times:
Airmale, that's the old testament. There's a verse in the new testament that says animals are all God's creations, and none of them are "dirty". There are lots of laws in the old testament that are followed by the Jews that we don't have to, such as circumcision.
Jamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1500 times:
I don't think the men that wrote that ever had a good a good chop, or peppered bacon...
KROC hit the nail on the head, Christians aren't "allowed" to do a lot of shit in the bible, so the question becomes is the Bible a guide, or shall it be understood as absolute law?
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4685 posts, RR: 47 Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1490 times:
Maybe because a lot of contents of ancient sources like the Bible have to be interpreted within the historical context of the time?
With the invention of modern pharmacological inventions, a cooling chain between butcher and private concumer, the danger to get sick from "unclean swine" has somewhat diminished, wouldn't you think so?
Your example only goes to show that you need more than mere reading abilities to understand religious documents, what you also need is the intelligence and knowledge to interpret what your eyes can see.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1484 times:
Maybe because a lot of contents of ancient sources like the Bible have to be interpreted within the historical context of the time?
With the invention of modern pharmacological inventions, a cooling chain between butcher and private concumer, the danger to get sick from "unclean swine" has somewhat diminished, wouldn't you think so?
Your example only goes to show that you need more than mere reading abilities to understand religious documents, what you also need is the intelligence and knowledge to interpret what your eyes can see.
And your example only goes to show what happens when people don't read other posts (and find out that pork isn't forbidden anymore).
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4685 posts, RR: 47 Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1477 times:
Well,
Dear Marco maybe it just took me a little longer to write my post, because I have to work seriously at the same time? Maybe this time span was long enough for someother folks to make their posts?
Just goes to show that making assumptions can make an ASS out of U and sometimes also ME.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Go4EVA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1461 times:
In the New Testament, according to Acts:
10:11 He saw heaven opened and a certain container descending to him, like a great sheet let down by four corners on the earth, 10:12 in which were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild animals, reptiles, and birds of the sky. 10:13 A voice came to him, "Rise, Peter, kill and eat!"
10:14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."
10:15 A voice came to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed, you must not call unclean." 10:16 This was done three times, and immediately the vessel was received up into heaven.
To answer the question, Christ did away with the Levitical covenant with the New covenant.
The Law convicts the heart, those who want a relationship with God can now do so through Christ.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1432 times:
Airmale, meat processing has come a long way since then. Pork is clean and safe to eat now. Its also damn tasty.
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1372 times:
Well,
Dear Marco maybe it just took me a little longer to write my post, because I have to work seriously at the same time? Maybe this time span was long enough for someother folks to make their posts?
Just goes to show that making assumptions can make an ASS out of U and sometimes also ME.
Anyway you started a debate on theology (irrelevant), and your info was wrong, so if you're confused about who the ass is, think again.
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4685 posts, RR: 47 Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1352 times:
Well Marco, if it makes you feel better to call someone on the internet the Assmeister, feel free to do so. Feels good to be awarded this title on an internet board by someone totally irrelevant to my life.
Have a nice evening and stay as smart as you are.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Advancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1328 times:
Hi there,
Excellent question Airmale. If both the OT and NT are from
G-d Almighty. Why does G-d change his mind about what's
pure and what's not, (eg. pork)? Jesus, as far as I have
learned, didn't come to destroy the law or change it
(taken from his own words).
Even Muslims follow same dietary laws as in the OT. makes
me think 2 against 1. In which case I would believe pork is
still (impure) unhealthy (proven by modern medicine also btw).
Airplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1319 times:
Airmale asks a legit question and Airplay has to come along and screw things up. If you have nothing intelligent to say Airplay, you know what to do.
Screw things up? I don't think I stopped you from expressing your views on this forum. If you don't like my statement, too bad, but don't try to accuse me of "screwing" anything up.
Besides, doesn't the bible teach you to hate the sin but love the sinner? Oh..I guess you only read the parts that you like Marco....
Christians are cleaner and more desirable company then some Canadians.
At' a boy. Lash out at a country based on my statements about religion....
Just ask any Lion from the Roman Empire times. They prefer the taste of Christian over pork any day!
Go4EVA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
Advancedkid:
God knew from the beginning that man could not be as holy as He is. Instead He gave man law to establish what sin really was (this is from the Bible). Now, knowing what is good and perfect, man needed a way to stand before a holy God.
Jesus was not God's mechanism for implementing the change in acceptable foods (re-read my post); it was God the Father Himself.
As for changing the Law and the nature of God, we can read in Genesis where God initially required us to be vegetarians:
1:29 God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. 1:30 To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the sky, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;” and it was so.
In Chapter 9, the Earth has changed because of the Noachian flood, and we read:
9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you will be on every animal of the earth, and on every bird of the sky. Everything that the ground teems with, and all the fish of the sea are delivered into your hand. 9:3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you. As the green herb, I have given everything to you.
God is sovereign... This is His creation, and He only requires obedience. This upsets many atheists, I understand. However, by writing "G-d", I believe you're indicating you believe the ENTIRE OT. If that's the case... re-read Genesis. Actually, you should read both the OT & NT.
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4204 posts, RR: 53 Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1306 times:
Cptkrell, it says, also in Leviticus, that you are not allowed to eat shellfish. Not you in particular, of course, but Chrisians and Jews in general. In that same book, I believe, it states that it is ok to sell one's daughter into slavery and that one should sacrifice a bull upon an altar because the smell is pleasing to God. Unfortunately, the same smell is not pleasing to my neighbors in the apartment complex, so I am not able to follow the Bible word for word, and the police (damn the man!) really object to me trying to sell my daughter. Times change and the Bible, especially the Old Testament, should be considered either a partial history or a guide instead of sacrosanct law. The Bible, especially parts of the New Testament, can be a great guide, but time and context must be considered when reading it.
Texan
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
Aa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1292 times:
I don't think I ever read that blowing up buildings in the Quran is okay, so what's your point?
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 368 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1286 times:
But the fact that Pork is forbidden to Jews and Muslims as well should make you think twice, why should they be adhereing to the order? theres got to be truth in it, Porks do eat their own crap even if kept in the cleanest of environs and I also heard the Pork meat can cause 75 different diseases.
.....up there with the best!
25 Aa61hvy: "Pork meat can cause 75 different diseases" So can Chicken, ground beef, some vegtables, tofu, everything can give you a disease... "But the fact that
26 777236ER: Airmale, that's the old testament. There's a verse in the new testament that says animals are all God's creations, and none of them are "dirty". There
27 Cptkrell: Airmale; dogs eat their own crap, too, and we know of societies where dog is a regular staple. That pork can transmit disease, trichinosis(sp?) being
28 Csavel: There is a book about eating taboos by an anthropologist called Marvin Harris, I forgot the name of the book. he says that the pork prohibition is bec
29 Maiznblu_757: Username: KROC From United States, joined May 2000, 12062 posts, RR: 100 Reply: 13 Posted Thu Feb 19 2004 16:41:18 UTC+1 and read 217 times: I like my
30 L-188: Pork is still generally a cleaner meat to eat then Black Bear. Still Black Bear makes great Sausage.
31 Covert: I don't think I ever read that blowing up buildings in the Quran is okay, so what's your point? Yes, you are correct, the Qu'ran contains no such thin
32 Airmale: Csavel Muslims are not allowed to drink the blood of any animal, eat flesh of swine and dead carrion, as well as anything that has been slaughtered wi
33 Aa61hvy: My point is Covert- that people are going against their religon's word. Airmale tries to make Christians look bad, like always, but when it comes down
34 Airmale: Did I say Christians are bad? does my query make them seem bad? if it makes you feel better Bisexuality is rampant in Muslim countries despite it bein
35 Ryanb741: The only reason pork is considered 'unclean' is because Judaism, Islam and Christianity originate in the Middle East and in general any pig that survi
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