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What's The Deal With Messianic Jews?  
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Was listening to one on a radio show the other day... cant quite figure them out, so would be cool if someone here could elaborate:

Are they Christians living as Jews?

...Jews living as Christians?



What prevents them from taking the complete leap over to Christianity?


Anyone?

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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

They are Jews who believe that Jesus is the messiah as foretold by the Jewish prophets. They maintain many of the traditions of Judaism (holidays, etc....). Can't stand them, personally.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

...doesnt really answer any of my questions, but thanks for the input  Big grin

User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

They are Jews who believe that Jesus is the messiah as foretold by the Jewish prophets

what more do you want?


User currently offlineFunFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

I think that they, unlike regular jews belive that Jesus was and is the son of god.



I couldent tell you about your other questions cause Im not jewish.



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Seems like a lame excuse to celebrate both Christmas and Hannukah. 9 days of presents!! Big grin

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

To reiterate what others have said:

Messianic Jews were raised Jewish and have come to believe in Christ as their Messiah. They generally practice the same rituals you'd find at synagogues, but also use Christian scriptures.

They identify themselves as Jewish culturally, and sometimes call themselves "completed Jews" because they believe their faith has been completed by Messiah's coming.

I took the liberty of looking up some websites for your reference.

Messianic Jewish Alliance of America
Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations
Jews for Jesus -- a controversial organization mainly because aside from their faith, they practice street evangelism.

Enjoy what you learn! Shalom!



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

I'd hazard that they're Jews living as Christians. Being Jewish is more than just a religion.

And I don't doubt they tick AC320 off, either.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

They don't tick me off totally, but the experiences with some of them and Jews for Jesus have been less than pleasant.

User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

It seems to me that they are Jews who converted to Christianity, but couldn't for whatever reason, "come out of the closet" and think of themselves as Christians. They may also miss the cultural aspect of Judaism.

Since Judaism is a religion and also an ethnicity, it is an open, and likely contentious question whether one can be a Jewish Christian. My feeling is no. It is (for Jews) a long theological leap from Moshiach (who is a man) to Jesus as God become man and the Trinity.

I also think the term "completed Jews" is somewhat insulting, as it implies that those Jews who didn't convert are somehow incomplete, my personal opinion.



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

I suppose, but "completed Jew" is probably no more offensive to traditional Jews than "born again Christian" is to mainline Christians.


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1668 times:
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AFAIK, AC320 was right in his first statement.

If you ask me, I think they are confused Christians!

And don;t get me started about Jews for Jesus. THeir world headquarters was around the block from my old NYC apartment.



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User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3877 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

Pardon the analogy, but I think they are wolves in sheep's clothing and much akin to Jews for Jesus. The most fundamental difference between Judaism and Christianity is the Christian belief that Jesus was the messiah and the son of god. I don't care if you follow the jewish holidays. If you believe that Jesus was the messiah, then you are definitely not jewish.
Going back to my analogy, I think that they truly are Christians trying to pass themselves off as jewish in an attempt to lure some prospective Jews into their domain, and then convert them to Christianity. I basically think that this organization, as well as Jews for Jesus, is basically a clandestine evangelistic operation whose goal is to convert Jews. As someone who was raised in a jewish home and attended a conservative synagogue, all the while living in the bible belt, this is just how I see it. Sorry if i have offended anyone.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Well I just visited the Jews for Jesus obesity, and I have to modify my opinion to: They are out of their freaking minds.

Wolf in sheaves clothing is an excellent analogy. Their witnessing suggestions include befriending a Jewish person for the sole purpose of conversion, staging or inviting them to prepared bible studies, dismissing the teaching of the Talmud and the Rabbis, and suggesting that Hebrew translations have been altered to remove messianic prophesies. Interesting to note the word usage suggest that the person to do the witnessing is not Jewish or messianic Jewish, but Christian hmmmmmmm. No good can come from this group.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

Well surely Jews stand for more than just a bloodline and non-acceptance of Jesus.

User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

Sure we do, but 5,000 years of teachings leaves you a lot of information to digest. There's Torah, the remainder of the Tanakh, the Talmud, etc....... It's a lot of information to digest and it seems that these groups enjoy preying on Jewish ignorance about faith.

Of course to answer your question, there has never been in a true sense a complete summary of Jewish beliefs. However, when people ask what Jews believe or stand for, many usually refer to Rambam's 13 principles of faith. While this is the closest thing we have to a concise doctrine, even this is subject to much scrutiny and debate among the Jewish community:

G-d exists
G-d is one and unique
G-d is incorporeal
G-d is eternal
Prayer is to be directed to G-d alone and to no other
The words of the prophets are true
Moses's prophecies are true, and Moses was the greatest of the prophets
The Written Torah and Oral Torah were given to Moses
There will be no other Torah
G-d knows the thoughts and deeds of men
G-d will reward the good and punish the wicked
The Messiah will come
The dead will be resurrected

Personally, I suppose Jews stand for monotheism, living by example, the value of one's actions in life, and acceptance of all the righteous of all nations.


User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Good answer AC320, that, to me, is why being Jewish and being Christian are mutually exclusive. The creeds are different, same as Christianity and Islam or Christianity and Buddhism are different. Once you believe in Jesus as God, Messiah, or Moshiach, or that he died for our sins, you no longer are a Jew. You are a Christian, same as the Pope or a Presbyterian minister. I suppose if you were raised Christian, once you no longer believe in the Divinity of Jesus, you are no longer a Christian. This is not to diss Christians or Christianity. But I wonder why Messianic Jews, Jewish Christians or Jews for Jesus aren't just proud of converting to Christianity.


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