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"No Child Should See This Movie"-Passion Of Christ  
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Personally after reading this, I find it to be very one-sided. Did this person even see the movie? I'll personally will go see this movie even though I have no religious affiliation.

I think this "author" should really get her head out of the sand.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/167329p-146309c.html


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Care to elaborate?

User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Read the article. The author states that the movie protray the Jews in a bad light and that this will lead to anti-Jewish violence. I don't think so.

If this is part of history it should be told.

http://www.thelife.com/movie/antisemitic.html Here is another link

[Edited 2004-02-24 15:33:11]


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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

People wrongly assume that because it's a religous epic it is somehow important or significant to society---couldn't be further from the truth.

It's just another vanity piece for Mr. Gibson's publicity machine. Note that the production company is selling memorabilia (crosses, etc.) at the theatres.

Now tell me with a straight face that this is somehow a relevant picture?


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

You read the article, David b. She does indeed say the film portrays Jews in a bad light, but there's no mention of forthcoming anti-Jewish violence, she merely states "Religious intolerance has been used as an excuse for some of history's worst atrocities".

If this is part of history it should be told

Unfortunately, using the Gospels as a source of accurate history is a stretch at best.


User currently offline707cMf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Having seen the trailer of the movie, I have to agree with one point, this is not to be seen by children.

The movie seems to be quite graphic, but it describes a very harsh part of the history. But I don't think it has been intended for other audience than adults anyway.

The second point, os it antisemitic ? I'll have to see it to decide. On the ther hand, I feel quite offended as a Christian to see a movie about the Christ compared to Kill Bill...

707


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

"Religious intolerance has been used as an excuse for some of history's worst atrocities".

Hence my statements.


707cMf I don't blame you.


Unfortunately, using the Gospels as a source of accurate history is a stretch at best.


Anyone still alive from then?



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User currently offline707cMf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

707cMf I don't blame you.

Why would you blame me ?

707, puzzled


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Hence my statements

Which are inaccurate as the author is using a historical context. You can say she's implying there might be violence but then you'd need some support for your interpretation other than a single reference to past events.

Anyone still alive from then?

No, but here why don't I ask one of our history professors here if I can use the Gospels to create an accurate history. Let's take bets on how fast I'll be laughed out of the office. Religious texts in general are not the greatest source of accuracy.

No one from Noah's time is still alive, does that mean we can say he crammed two of every animal in a boat and had a cruise for 40 days? It's a part of history, and it must be told! sounds like a good idea.......


User currently offlineBeefer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Well it is rated R, so obviously there should not be any children viewing this movie.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

How realistic is a movie in which Jesus, widely thought to be about 5ft 2 and about 110 lbs is played by Jim Cazeviel who is a tall strapping buffed Hollywood hunk. Also, from my understanding, the unfortunate souls who were nailed to the Cross were left there naked. I doubt if Mel with his
Catholic sense of middle class propriety will show this. Also, crucifixion was doubly awful because it stripped its victims of any sense of dignity - almost always, bodily functions were lost. Those on the cross defecated, and their internal organs bled through every orifice. Gibson apparently shows none of this. His is an elegant ketchup drenched Atkins and gym buffed movie star nailed to the cross.

As far as kids go, I'm sure that they've seen worse in slaughter horror schlock films.


User currently offlineSimpleMinded From Turkmenistan, joined Feb 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Personally, I think that everyone should see it, it is a matter of truth.


In Public schools, they show us movies of the holocaust.



They both happened and were both violent.



ciao
SM



Um, I like..... yea ok
User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

It's not a matter of truth, its a matter of religion and faith. Everyone knows the holocaust happened, it's a historical fact. But this movie being "true" only holds such if you have those religious beliefs that say it is.

User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Like everything it is a matter of truth for those who choose to believe it. You doubt that it did not happen; however, you have no prove of that. Your religion may not have the same believes as other but does that mean that the other believes are false.


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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Who ever said anything about false beliefs?

User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

But this movie being "true" only holds such if you have those religious beliefs that say it is.

Therefore, if we don;t it is false?



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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Nonsense, you enjoy putting words into people's mouths. It is a matter of faith, you either believe it or you do not. You can say you have faith that this film is true to you, but to declare it as absolute truth is to disrespect another's beliefs. As we can see, religion can be a touchy subject.

Was Jesus crucified? Most likely
Was everything else true? My beliefs say "no", but then that's my faith not someone else's at work.


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

That is my personal believe. If you don't want to see it, don't. I believed it happened. Nobody is going to change my mind on that.


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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

No one's trying to change anyone's mind........

User currently offlineSimpleMinded From Turkmenistan, joined Feb 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Well, I dont think he was trying to change your mind, he is just expressing his opinion, no matter how crooked I think it may be.


ciao
SM



Um, I like..... yea ok
User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

crooked

Alright I'm done here. Good day gentlemen, sorry for spoiling the party.  Insane


User currently offlineSimpleMinded From Turkmenistan, joined Feb 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

I stick up for your right to express your opinion and when I express mine, you cry.



Good for you!


SM



Um, I like..... yea ok
User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Who's crying? I'm just dissapointed that in the midst of "expressing" opinions rather than go with "to each his own" in matters of religion, we have to be closed minded and resort to calling other ideas on this subject "crooked". That's not how I operate, so I'm done here.

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Username: Greg
From United States, joined Jan 2001, 4251 posts, RR: 27
Reply: 3
Posted Tue Feb 24 2004 15:34:04 UTC+1 and read 120 times:
People wrongly assume that because it's a religous epic it is somehow important or significant to society---couldn't be further from the truth.

It's just another vanity piece for Mr. Gibson's publicity machine. Note that the production company is selling memorabilia (crosses, etc.) at the theatres.

Now tell me with a straight face that this is somehow a relevant picture?


Wow... You sound a lot like those trolls on Yahoo's message boards.




User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

The story of Jesus Christ and the passion is a powerful one. Two thousand years later we are still telling it. Whomever Christ is portrayed by, the underlying message of peace, love, and forgiveness still rings loud in the ears of millions.

My ears are ringing. Are yours? If not, see the move. If you take anything away from it, take away the mans desire to do good and the undying faith that he had.

It is said that the Jews killed Christ. That is nonsense. We all killed Christ. You, and me. That is what Christ died for.







25 Jaysit : "It is said that the Jews killed Christ. That is nonsense. We all killed Christ. You, and me. That is what Christ died for." Nice sentiments. Tell tha
26 Cfalk : Many scholars have already seen the film, including the Pope himself, and have said that it is as close to the truth as we know it. The Bible is not t
27 Post contains images 777236ER : You, and me. That is what Christ died for. I didn't Murderer.
28 Jaysit : If Coppola or some other director had made this film, I doubt if there would have been the same level of controversy. Its Mel Gibson's connection with
29 Cfalk : The Holy Family repudiated the teachings of Vatican II and still believes that contemporary living Jews are guilty of deicide. That may be the case (I
30 Greg : Having been brought up within a studio family, I think my comments are spot on in regard to this. I'm not sure what's meant by the troll comment. I am
31 Commander_Rabb : Actually, if anyone should be angry about this film it should be the Italians. After all, Romans and their empire did not come to be because they offe
32 Post contains links Csavel : Cfalk, I haven't seen the movie, but the reviews i've read say that Mel makes Caiaphus out to be a scheming evil person bent on Jesus's destruction, w
33 Cptkrell : CmdrRabb wote "See you at the movies." You bet, as making decisions or formulating opinions on this topic are probably moot before any of us have actu
34 Post contains links MD-90 : http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/rosenberg200402241417.asp Excellent article regarding the anti-semitism allegations (and written by a Rosenberg)
35 Jaysit : So what if his last name was Rosenberg? The man is a conservative Christian now for God's sake. How is his argument compelling in any way? Frankly, I
36 Espion007 : I dont think we should argue about a movie we havent even seen PS:screw that guy who wrote the article.Im 14 and im seeing it this weekend.Im even gon
37 Post contains images Go4EVA : Sums it up perfectly: 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have ete
38 Cptkrell : I was going to back-off further comment on this topic as titled before I have seen the film, but as alluded to MD-90's post, Ted Koppel's comments RE:
39 Go4EVA : Jack, Things are quite bad in this world. You gave some perfect examples of what is wrong with the world we live in now. It sounds like personal trage
40 777236ER : Sums it up perfectly: Huh? No it doesn't. It sums up the thoughts of one man, written two thousand years ago.
41 Cptkrell : Thank you for your concern, but the thrust of my aforementioned opinion has absolutely nothing to do with anything personal with me. You must, at leas
42 Post contains links F9Widebody : I heard a great quote from Roger Ebert about the whole issue of anti-semitism which basically said that Christ was a Jew and the portrayal of the fact
43 Go4EVA : Huh? No it doesn't. It sums up the thoughts of one man, written two thousand years ago. I'll bet it's hard for you to think of yourself as a created b
44 777236ER : I'll bet it's hard for you to think of yourself as a created being, answerable to the Creator. But I was created by my parents and evolution. I believ
45 Post contains images Cfalk : But I believe God doesn't exist! Just that you are sure that he does, I'm sure that he doesn't. Neither of us can prove either way, so stop patronisin
46 Post contains images 777236ER : If a believer is wrong, he's wasted his whole life. If I am wrong, I'll argue with God. Anyway, I'm not wrong!
47 Commander_Rabb : "But if a believer is wrong, he has lost nothing. If you are wrong, you will have lost everything." Excellent statement Cfalk. Words like that, and ot
48 Post contains images Go4EVA : But if a believer is wrong, he has lost nothing. If you are wrong, you will have lost everything. Well, "hedging your bets" is hardly the kind of rela
49 Fly_yhm : 777236ER If evolution is real Why are there still monkey's. Anyway This is true. Everyword of it is true. As far as who to blame blame God he had it p
50 Jaysit : ""But if a believer is wrong, he has lost nothing. If you are wrong, you will have lost everything."" So basically religious belief is a default mode
51 777236ER : Also, if you ever read the Bible, you would notice that God will not be interested in listening to ANYTHING coming from a dead atheist. Huh? Yes it do
52 Post contains images Marco : 777236ER, You always make the same boring points. Everyone gives you the same replies, so I just think you're trying to get a rise out of people here.
53 AirJamPanAm : I'm torn as to if and when I will see this movie, but from the trailers I have seen, the rating kind of takes care of whether children should see this
54 777236ER : You always make the same boring points. Everyone gives you the same replies, so I just think you're trying to get a rise out of people here...quite sa
55 WellHung : Saw it last night. Aside from a couple of intense scenes, it's pretty average filmmaking. Not for the squeamish as there is one extremely bloody and p
56 Rjpieces : Csavel said it best. Gibson relies on how the New Testament and Gospels both of which are fairly anti-semitic. Just think about history for a minute.
57 Artsyman : The film is utterly disgusting, innaccurate, and extremely irresponsible film making in general. While it has certainly created a discussion, the film
58 JAL777 : It's a movie people... MOVIE! Sit back, relax, enjoy it, and shut up.
59 Airplay : "No Child Should See This Movie"-Passion Of Christ Not exactly a powerful statement. Children shouldn't see most of the shows broadcast on TV or on mo
60 IHadAPheo : I also have to agree that "most" children should not see a movie as intense as this film is by some reports, I would say tha it might be better if the
61 TriJetFan1 : Where is Jeffery?? -(God bless through Jesus)
62 Mirrodie : But if a believer is wrong, he has lost nothing. If you are wrong, you will have lost everything. That was priceless Cfalk. Much respect to you. Heard
63 Gc : "You can say you have faith that this film is true to you, but to declare it as absolute truth is to disrespect another's beliefs." This is the proble
64 Ts-ior : The Jews didn't kill or crucify Jesus and the whole story behind this universal event is clearly told in Quran;the sacred book of Muslims,themselves
65 Cfalk : Ts-ior, ...That they (the Jews) said (in boast),"We killed the Christ Jesus son of Mary,the Messenger of Allah",but they killed him not,nor crucified
66 TYSGoVols : The historic relevance of the Gospels can't be called into question. As after the resurrection there was observed and recorded over 500 accounts of pe
67 Artsyman : The historic relevance of the Gospels can't be called into question *** I think the point people are making is what is the intent of this film. While
68 Startvalve : I hate to take away from the off topic debate but back to the subject. I saw this movie last night, I firmly believe taking a child to this movie shou
69 TYSGoVols : Artsyman : You seem to like that phrase well documented without showing any documentation to prove it. I also disagree with you that the movie portray
70 AnsettAW : but there are thousands of scriptures, and he picked a very select few, and a very specific few to make a very one sided story. Artsyman, I don't know
71 FSPilot747 : Saw it last night. Great movie, but like Startvalve pointed out, anyone who takes their kids is a fool. Well done, and I really respect Gibson for sta
72 MD-90 : Actually, you know I've only had one semester of Latin, but I actually understood some of the Romans. You don't know how cool that is for a Latin stud
73 Marco : Ts-ior Actually I would rather believe the Biblical version, since it dates back to that era. The Koran was written after andvarious events that happe
74 Jaysit : Saw the movie this weekend. There were lots of kids in the audience. Some were even eating those large tubs of popcorn through the crucifixion scene w
75 Artsyman : Artsyman, even a Jewish columnist from US Today said Jews were criticizing the movie before they even saw it...then he saw it and said he could not ca
76 Jaysit : As far as the film being anti-semitic - well, it made Caiaphus seem like Khan from the Star Trek films (i.e., a cruel, cunning SOB). But it also showe
77 Go4EVA : Artsyman: yet the rest of them feel How do you know, Dr. Hyperbole? Mel's religious beliefs are fairly well known, and were in advance How do you know
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