MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12 Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1302 times:
A friend of mine from Switzerland gives us a nice nugget: "I saw the most remarkable thing last night on German TV. [Foreign Minister] Joschka Fischer actually told an audience of Greens that the U.S. has been a force for peace in the world. He said that Pakistan and India had been on the verge of a nuclear confrontation and the only thing that stopped them was U.S. intervention. He also said that Israel had the right to exist, and to be left in peace. Who'd've thunk?"
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21548 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1273 times:
L.1011: And kudos to Joschka! I'm glad that someone in Germany isn't a turncoat against us.
He´s telling it like most people over here see it - no wonder his personal approval rating is (by far!) the highest of all german politicians (always in the 80% range).
He still was one of the driving forces behind the german opposition to the Iraq war - even before the french started giving Washington headaches.
Just take it as a sign that in the real world, matters are more complicated than "You´re either for the Iraq invasion or you´re an evil anti-american terrorist!"
You may believe this nonsense, but it doesn´t get any "truer" because of that. Respecting, liking or even loving the USA has nothing to do with blindly supporting every misconstrued adventure of it´s acting government.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1233 times:
Typical stupid national review stuff. Presenting issues in a typical black and white manner. The Germans - as well as most people who don't read the trash in the review - know fully well that issues are more complex than the review's portrayal of them.
Of course the US has been a force for good - as well as a divisive force - in the world. It all depends on the issue and the scenario.
Racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
Fischer has had probably the most-amazing career of a German politican since Willy Brandt. From a left-winging Sponti of the 60s to the by far most popular German politican (what would Schröder give for Fischer's approval ratings!), most respected European foreign minister, figurehead of all Greens and the living evidence that Greens can make sensible real politics.
The fact that he does have the balls to say "Yes, I was far-left 30 years ago and today I know that I made mistakes" just makes me respect him even more.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14308 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1152 times:
The interesting thing about Fischer is that he is mostly self educated. He´s never been to college, but before his political career he used to work as a taxi driver in FRA. He kept a huge library in his home.
Also, some years ago he got hit on the ear by a paint bag, when he was justifying NATO involvement in Bosnia to his party. It burst his eardrum, very painfull, but he finished his speech. Some of his old friends said that 15 yearsearlier he would have gone downstairs and would have punched it out with his assailant.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8860 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1038 times:
Thumbs up to MD-90.
"Telling that to a bunch of Greens is pretty brave."
I don't think it's that brave anymore. Many Greens and their supporters have learnt that they won't get any further with their "back to the roots" utopia. Instead, they're trying to influence policies by getting elected and involved with things - a rather effective way, isn't it?
In addition to that, many Greens are children of middle-class parents who didn't like the way their parents earned their money (personally as well as figuratively), so they wanted to change things. But they are still children of middle-class parents, which means that you may very well find a Green who has rather conservative opinions on, for example, social policies, of the "You have to work for your money, otherwise you don't deserve much of it." kind.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.