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Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program  
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2496 times:

From a local radio show...

Step 1: Admitting that you're a liberal

This is the first step for every liberal on the way to recovery. It is important to understand that you're not "progressive", "moderate", or "enlightened". You're a liberal, and you need to be honest with yourself about that fact.

Step 2: Pledge to support your beliefs with facts

Realize that truth is more important than moral superiority and is the only way to come over to reality. You must research beyond propaganda from the Sierra Club, Hilllary Clinton, and CNN to understand things as they really exist in the world. You can no longer argue based on "feelings" or emotion. You will actually need to back up your arguments with real information. This is a difficult step, because it means you can't be lazy any more.

Step 3: Love America

This may be the most difficult step for those of you who are hippies and peaceniks. Admitting that the country you hate actually stands as a beacon to defend freedom throughout the world can make some of you physically ill. You might want to make a visit to a military cemetery to better understand that these men and women gave their lives so that you could spew hatred. Otherwise, you would currently be living in a police state that would never let you wear that nasty patchouli oil, let alone speak out against your government.

Step 4: Take a college level economics class

A Socialist is defined as someone who's never taken an economics class. Most Socialists have a hard time balancing their checkbooks, let alone explaining the simple concept of supply-and-demand. It's time to flush your complete ignorance of basic economics down the toilet and understand how the world actually functions. This concept will be very important for the next steps that involve communism, facts about corporations, and the inefficiencies of government.

Step 5: Say "no" to Communism and Socialism

While this concept is obvious to most of the free world, it is an important step in your recovery process. If you have difficulty with this step, spend a week living and working in Cuba.

Step 6: Corporations are not evil

If you're reading this article on-line or in an email, it's thanks to corporations. If you get some kind of paycheck, you can thank corporations. If you work for a nonprofit or the government, you still have to thank corporations. The nonprofit sector and the government wouldn't have any money to pay you without corporations. It is also important that you understand that making a profit doesn't equate to "greed" or exploitation. Capitalism has created the greatest society in our world's history. Even communist countries need corporations to survive, so enjoy a nice, hot cup of reality.

Step 7: The government is inefficient

If you are one of those liberals who believe the government should tax us more in order to take care of society, you need to pay special attention to this step. You need to realize that government bureaucracy will waste most of your tax dollars, while the private sector will put your money to much better use. Even most Democrat politicians understand this to some degree, which is why Hillary's socialist healthcare proposal was voted down by a majority of both Democrats and Republicans. Go to your local post office or call the IRS to ask a tax question if you need a reminder about government inefficiency.

Step 8: The earth is not your "mother", and she's not dying

The time has now come to stop your donations to Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and every other EnviroNazi organization to which you belong. Face the reality that the earth, society and our environment are better off today than ever in recorded history and that they are continuing to improve. I realize that many of you tree huggers will have a very difficult time letting go of the Douglas Fir on this one. I would suggest reading The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg. Mr. Lomborg is a former member of Greenpeace and is currently a statistics professor at a university in Denmark. He set out to prove the world was in bad shape and ended up surprising himself by proving the exact opposite.

Step 9: Stop smoking the wacky tobacco

Okay, some of you might need to enter another 12-step program to complete this step. Marijuana is distorting your sense of reality, and you need to stop using it. Besides, you'll save a fortune on snacks.

Step 10: Eat a hamburger

If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. You can put your sprouts and tofu on the hamburger, but get some meat into you. You'll look and feel better than you ever imagined. You can always remind yourself that Nazi propaganda hailed Adolf Hitler as a vegetarian to get you through this step.

Step 11: Stop re-writing political history

It's now time to admit that Bill Clinton is a lying-cheating-sexist-racist-rapist jackass, Hillary Clinton is one of the worst role models for women in this country, Al Gore really did lose the 2000 election by every vote tabulation you attempt, Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War and didn't create the homeless problem, John McCain is not a typical Republican, and Jimmy Carter is a nice man but has one of the worst presidential records of anyone in history.

Step 12: Be a missionary

Once you have completed the previous steps to overcoming liberalism, it's time for you to share this awakening with others who are not as fortunate. Go out amongst the liberal sheep and spread the good word of your freedom from the chains of ignorance that once bound you. Congratulations, and welcome to reality.



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User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2459 times:

Overcoming Reactionary Conservatism of the Bush/Limbaugh variety: A 1-Step Program:

1.) Expand your horizons.

I know this isn't the PC thing to say, but it's true in so many ways, and besides, conservatives don't like political correctness anyway, so they'll forgive me this one.


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2453 times:

Wow well I have done a few of those steps namely:
1) Admitting I'm a liberal
2) Supporting my beliefs with facts
4) taking a college level Econ Class
7) OUR government is inefficient
9) I don' smoke... anything
10) I eat hamburgers
11) I have stopped rewriting History (never did)

well I'm over 50% and just as much a socialist as I was before.... sorry

dito to PHX-LJU

signed,
A Socialist content with his political beliefs...


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2453 times:

Who cares about PC?

Step 2: Pledge to support your beliefs with facts

Yeah, and stop watching FOX all the time.

Step 3: Love America

We do, we just think it could be better.

Step 8: The earth is not your "mother", and she's not dying

Granted not in our lifetime, but we are screwing over our future descendants.

Step 9: Stop smoking the wacky tobacco

That is the most biased statement I have heard. Get off of your "I don't do drugs" Cloud, because you are so High on youselves that You have overdosed. I don't smoke weed. Anybody who says that I'm just a stupid potsmoking liberal gets my class ring stamped on their forehead.

Step 11: Stop re-writing political history

That goes for you too.

If this is the late night guy on KOA/KHOW, then I know who you are talking about. He is a moron, with absolutely nothing to do but attack other people. If you see him as a valid source of information, then maybe you should complete the 12-step program called Elementary Education.

DLKAPA


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2431 times:

Step 1: Admitting that you're a liberal
Progressive to be exact!

Step 2: Pledge to support your beliefs with facts
Only if you guys stop twisting them!

Step 3: Love America
We love it more than you guys do..that's why we want it better!

Step 4: Take a college level economics class
What for? Already a successful biz owner

Step 5: Say "no" to Communism and Socialism
Only a idiot would say yes to them! Socialism to a degree is exceptable or else you guys wouldn't have an audience.

Step 6: Corporations are not evil
Some are..some aren't

Step 7: The government is inefficient
That's news??? NEXT!

Step 8: The earth is not your "mother", and she's not dying
Yes it is and yours too! And yes she is..with or without our 'help', the earth is jsut a planet, it's gonna die anyway, but corporate toxic waste doesn't contribute to our (human) well-being! So if you like living (emphasis on living), do something about it!

Step 9: Stop smoking the wacky tobacco
Stop pill popping!

Step 10: Eat a hamburger
Make mine a double cheeseburger! Hold the onions!

Step 11: Stop re-writing political history
Okay, Reagan was a douche!

Step 12: Be a missionary
If you got 'missionary' a little more often (mix it up, try doggie style once in a while-- even weekly will do), you wouldn't be such a tight ass and scared that someone is out trying take all your sense of 'entitlements' away!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineN737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 678 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2430 times:

Jeff, you have way too much time on your hands.....  Big thumbs up

Proud Liberal and will stay that way...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Aaron Mandolesi
Denver, Colorado


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

The IQ of the blind neo conservatives is reaching new hights again!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

Personally I wouldn't even dear to post this crap...

@BN747: couldn't have said this better: "We love it more than you guys do..that's why we want it better!

 Big thumbs up


User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Throughout history, conservatives have always been wrong. If humanity had always been conservative, we'd still be believing that the Earth is flat and that the Sun turns around it. That was the conservative stand of a few centuries ago...


Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

LOL, Jeff...great!  Big thumbs up The funniest thing to do in a college economics class is to look around when the professor is discussing the failings of the command economies of the 20th century and see all the potheads and rabid liberals shake their head.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

I'm actually amazed this is allowed in the US...

We here have a law that prohibits to take a stance towards political beliefs. If this would be broadcasted on our radio/tv, I'm sure that the one broadcasting this would be sued.

@jcs: damn you are frustrated...


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Throughout history, conservatives have always been wrong.

Now THAT is an overgeneralization if there ever was one.

What is a Conservative? What is a Liberal? Those are RELATIVE terms.

GW Bush is not a complete conservative. He actually has some liberal tendencies. He pushed for increasing benefits to Medicare recipients, for example.

John Kerry is not a complete liberal either. I have not heard him say that he wants to eliminate private property and lead the world to an egalitarian nirvana.

Linguistically, a conservative wants everything to stay right where it is, and with traditional structures. This leads to the earth-is-flat theory, and I have not heard many of those. A liberal is open to everything - every new development and change is good. But was the invention of VX nerve gas a good thing? How about Rap music - about as nauseous as VX?

You want to meet true conservatives? Head over to Pennsylvania and check out the Amish.

"liberals" and "conservatives" in the U.S. - at least the Democratic and Republican parties - are actually very close together on the liberal/conservative ladder, and both of them are very close to the center. That is a good side-effect of a two-party system: No radicalism (left or right) gets anywhere near the halls of power, because you must be pretty damned close to the mainstream in order to get elected.

But of course since the range of debate is limited to the small (maybe the middle 10%) part of the conservative/liberal scale, we tend to exaggerate the difference to make it look like night vs. day.

There are things that call for liberalism and conservatism. It is the mix of the two that have allowed nations to develop. We have capitalism (itself a liberal concept championed by conservatives and resented/distrusted by "liberals") with a social safety net (pushed for by liberals). Free trade is a very liberal concept promoted by conservatives more than liberals. I don't hear anyone calling for the reimposition of a royal family and the feudal system.

Conservative and liberal are just labels applied by the press so that they can easily segregate the population.

Charles


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Another one of the funniest things to do in college is to look around when the professor is describing the failed trickle-down economics theory to the class and to hear the collective hearts of the fascists and right wing idealogues sputtering and muttering amongst themselves, completely astounded that anybody could possibly question the sacrosanct word of their hero, Ronald Reagan (even though George Bush Sr. called Reagan's economic policy moronic). It is even better if the professor describes how, in theory, the trickle down theory, like communism, is a positive for the people. However, also like communism, according to the professor, it is doomed to complete and utter failure.
And I freely admit that I disagree with a majority of Clinton's actions and decisions as well.

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Aaron, your Canadian... you can be a liberal, it's expected.  Big grin

Jeff


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Cfalk, that's one excellent posting! Exactly my thoughts...

But of course since the range of debate is limited to the small (maybe the middle 10%) part of the conservative/liberal scale, we tend to exaggerate the difference to make it look like night vs. day.

Out of curiosity: are you claiming that the active political debators over here are or extreme liberal, or extreme conservative?

Honnestly, I'm wondering about this already for quite some time. It sounds very unlikely to me that the extreme differences between liberals and conservatives (like JCS and Jeff like to claim above) actually exist. I've always seen people like Superfly on the extreme liberal, and people like Jeff/JCS/B753/L1011/... on the extreme conservative scale.

Personally, I have always been in favour of a moderate Republican party, and if I may believe your 10% figure, it's nice to see that 90% of the Americans take a moderate stance (with the 10% being extremists like mentioned above).

Frederic


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

1.) Expand your horizons.


This is not possible for neo-cons.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

And then there are the rest of us out here who understand that when your society suffers from bipolar disorder, those at both ends of the pendulum swing are mentally ill. Worse, the entire political structure feeds this syndrome and profits from this tragedy.






Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Even though I'm a liberal, I thought the list was kinda funny Smile It's good to have stuff like this come out every once in a while!

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

And then there are the rest of us out here who understand that when your society suffers from bipolar disorder, those at both ends of the pendulum swing are mentally ill. Worse, the entire political structure feeds this syndrome and profits from this tragedy.

Actually, this was exactly what Karl Marx wanted. A polarisation between the 2 extremes, leading into a revolution with in the end communism as result.

You better watch out, fellow Americans! Big grin


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Fred,

Watch out.... it is called humor..... try it!

Do they have any in Belgium? Using you as an example...I'd say not.


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Sabena 690,

We here have a law that prohibits to take a stance towards political beliefs.

That's news to me... We have laws against discrimination, but against taking a stance towards political beliefs? Allow me to doubt that...


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Scorpio: maybe no law, but aren't our radio/tv stations supposed to be objectif in what they report?

I'm sure that when the VRT would broadcast something like that, they would get serious troubles.

It's a risk a quality journalist would never take I think...


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Now that's something entirely different from haveing laws against taking a political stance.... And this 'objectivity' is something that is pretty much a rule around the world, at least for respectable journalists. If this was posted in an 'entertainment' program, there would be no problem. I also don't think they'd put this on a news broadcast in the US either, so I think as far as that is concerned, there's hardly any difference between the US and Belgium...

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Still I have never seen something like that in an entertainment program of the VRT/Canvas, even not on VTM (although I have to admit that I almost never watch VTM, too much sensation).

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

@Jeff, sure they have humour in Belgium!

And actually I have to admit I read over the 'from a local radio show' line...

So my stance was maybe a bit too hard indeed...  Big grin


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Scorpio: maybe no law, but aren't our radio/tv stations supposed to be objectif in what they report?

Interesting you mention this. I heard something on France Info last night that I thought was interesting, and is a good example of the subtle bias that exists in the media.

France Info is the state-subsidized news radio network, and is supposedly objective.

The headline I heard was about the Haitian crisis. It spoke of how the place was heading into civil war, and and that in the past two days, 500 haitians attempted to reach Florida. The last sentance of the report, I can remember pretty exactly: "Les bateaux des refugies ont ete intercepte par les garde-cotes Americains et le refugies refoules vers Haiti, sur les ordres du President George W Bush" (sorry for no accents - I don't have them on this keyboard).

Translated, that sentance says, "The boats of the refugees were intercepted by the U.S. Coast Guard and the refugees thrown back (refoule is a fairly strong word. refouler: Verbe transitif (a) to drive back, force back; (fig) to hold back, repress) to Haiti, by order of GW Bush."

So first, the language used indicates a sense of outrage, that these poor refugees were intercepted and thrown back (not returned safely, after having gotten a meal and a doctor's visit, but just tossed out) into Haiti.

Secondly, the last phrase implies that somebody asked Bush what to do about all these refugees, and he gave the order to throw them back where they came from. Never mind that this treatment of refugees who have not yet reached American shores has been standard procedure (and I think even the law), for the past couple of decades as I remember. Bush did not need to give any such order. I doubt he even heard of the event until after they were back in Haiti.

In short, this simple phrase, posing as objective news on a supposedly respectable and objective news network, is actually a subtle propaganda story designed to egg on the idea in listeners' heads that Bush is a ruthless bastard who doesn't give a damn about refugees fleeing from a civil war, and who gives orders for them to be treated inhumanely.

This kind of reporting is extremely common in Europe, I find.

Charles


25 Sabena 690 : @Charles: it depends on how you interprete it. Certainly the Brits, but also the French are known for putting quite some 'nuances' in their sentences.
26 PHX-LJU : Speaking of liberalism, conservative-leaning commentator Andrew Sullivan wrote this about Sean Hannity's new book which, in a manner typical of all to
27 PHX-LJU : Cfalk wrote: "John Kerry is not a complete liberal either. I have not heard him say that he wants to eliminate private property and lead the world to
28 Qb001 : The earth-is-flat was only a short-cut. If I'd had the time to expose everything the conservatives have opposed to in the past, the list would last fo
29 SSTjumbo : - Banning slavery; Actually, the GOP under Abraham Lincoln fought to ban slavery and won, unless you're NOT referring to the GOP. If not, the definiti
30 Qb001 : the definition of conservatism has greatly changed over time Those who opposed the banning of slavery were the conservatives of their time, of course.
31 Sabena 690 : No matter what the question is, conservatism is NEVER the answer. I can't agree on that. You can't compare the conservatism of 100 years ago, with the
32 ConcordeBoy : ILOVEA340, despite the rather ridiculous screenname (upon which I shall comment no further)... I'm quite and sincerely interested as to why you choose
33 Qb001 : If we would follow the progressives only, gay married couples would be able to adopt children (I'm against that), euthanasie would be "normal" You wan
34 Jcs17 : But for the fun of it, here are a few others I came up with. Conservatives have opposed to: - Banning slavery; Banning slavery, check your US history
35 Post contains images BMAbound : Is Sweden the only country with a liberal right-wing party?? Seems like the rest of the world connects liberalism with pot-smoking long-haired nuclear
36 Zak : " Seems like the rest of the world connects liberalism with pot-smoking long-haired nuclear-opposing hippies! " actually that is a very u.s. american
37 Qb001 : Banning slavery, check your US history book again, genius. Thank you for calling me a genius. But I'm too modest to brag about it. Unless it was meant
38 Post contains images JeffM : why stop at health care for everyone? Let's make it housing, cars, boats, jet skiis, big screen tv, SUV's (or little electric cars..), etc. etc. If yo
39 ConcordeBoy : If you can afford it, buy it. If you can't, get a better job, if you have a good job and can't afford it, don't vote for Kerry, he wants even more of
40 Sabena 690 : Being liberal and right-wing oriented is possible, so the whole discussion is a little "off" The leading political party in Belgium is also right-wing
41 PHX-LJU : JeffM wrote: "why stop at health care for everyone? Let's make it housing, cars, boats, jet skiis, big screen tv, SUV's (or little electric cars..), e
42 David b. : PHX-LJU, the right wingers cannot seem to understand that. See they only want medical care for the middle-class and rich. The "undesirable" can drop d
43 North County : Russia - did have slavery after the US did away with it in 1865: From 1917 until the late 1980's. It was called collective farms - work prisons - and
44 MD11Engineer : "It was called collective farms- work prisons- parts of the Eastern Block" Bull sh*t! Essentialy the LPGS, as they were called in East Germany are ind
45 Stratofish : "cease pining for the financial destruction/degradation of those who do/can/have" The most sick and disgusting statement that`s been on here for a lon
46 NormalSpeed : I'm sorry, what was the question? I was watching Fox News. I'll probably even watch some NASCAR this weekend. Seriously though, I tend to agree with C
47 JeffM : ..Working hard never got you far, luck was/is always needed, that's why I call for a 100% tax on all wealthy above a fixed income (e.g. average net in
48 Post contains images Texan : Amen to NASCAR, not a big fan of Fox News, 100% tax on anybody is a bad idea but a progressive tax is not inherently unfair, but none of this has anyt
49 Post contains images Stratofish : "...none of this has anything to do with the fact that the original post was still funny." Agreed. So... 1. I admit it 2. don't believe facts you have
50 NormalSpeed : "Amen to NASCAR, not a big fan of Fox News" Oh yeah, gotta love NASCAR. Everyone, including my friends, here in Boston thinks I'm really wierd. But NA
51 Vafi88 : Step 1: Admitting that you're a liberal I am a liberal, but like a post before me, I am more of a progressivist. Step 2: Pledge to support your belief
52 Post contains images JeffM : Vitaly, You are not what I call the average Liberal. and lay off the hamburgers... when are you going out shooting again? I'm overdue.. Jeff
53 Us330 : "Actually, the GOP under Abraham Lincoln fought to ban slavery and won, unless you're NOT referring to the GOP. If not, the definition of conservatism
54 NormalSpeed : Step 13: Watch NASCAR. 'Speed
55 Vafi88 : Haha! Jeff, you're a good man, politics shouldn't matter anyway. Check the Photog forum, we have a visitor coming March 6-10 or something of the sort,
56 JeffM : I bet we don't get any snow Sat., maybe Sun. Gonna try and get out there Saturday, don't know what time though...
57 NWA742 : Pledge to support your beliefs with facts I do, and CNN has constantly proven itself to be a better source of fair and balanced information than Fox N
58 Post contains images SSTjumbo : Also, some wise words to live by : -If you're not a liberal by age 16, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no brain.
59 Jcs17 : ..Working hard never got you far, luck was/is always needed, that's why I call for a 100% tax on all wealthy above a fixed income (e.g. average net in
60 Cfalk : ..Working hard never got you far, luck was/is always needed, that's why I call for a 100% tax on all wealthy above a fixed income (e.g. average net in
61 L-188 : Working hard never got you far, luck was/is always needed Michael.....Michael Moore........are you in there? Sounds like something that he would say.
62 Us330 : "Working hard never got you far, luck was/is always needed... it's only fair/right/proper." Pure opinion. What you view as "only fair/right/proper" I
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