Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4242 posts, RR: 53 Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
TriJetFan, you might've just opened a big can of worms
Apparently there are no moderates really on this site (with 2 or 3 exceptions), so it should be interesting to see what happens!
As for me, I think he did what he truly believed was in the best interests of the country. Just happen to disagree with a good amount of his opinions (as I do with Clinton, just to be equal to both parties). Never really liked the movies he was in, but he has what is quite possibly the most memorable quote in a presidential campaign in quite a while: "There you go again, Mr. President!" Very savvy politician who could charm a room and the majority of the American population. Haven't really looked up a whole lot on what he did while governor of California, so I won't comment on that. He attempted to implement the Trickle Down Theory of Economics, which failed because of just a basic flaw in the theory, it was not his fault for it failing. It assumes that by giving more money to the rich, more money will be spent on goods and services, especially in a downward trending economy. However, when the economy is in decline, people invest less and save more, so the money was actually not being reinvested into the economy, it was being put into savings. And not everything that went poorly can be blamed on Reagan. As much as I hate to admit it, the Democrats controlled Congress for at least part of the time (I believe the entire time, but it has been a while) and some helped vote his ideas into law.
Summary: Not an evil man, disagree with ideas, rank him low among the Presidents.
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
TYSGoVols From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 634 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
What happened on his watch.
-Kept this country safe
-Saw the end of oppression in the Soviet Union.
(well maybe not exactly on REagons watch but he did have a huge part in it)
-Brought this country back around after the 70's and all the crap that happened then Iran and the oil crisis.
-An attempt to slow down drug flow into this country and slow usage/
Do I feel he was good oh yes
Rocky Top You'll Always be home sweet home to me, Good ole' Rocky Top WOOOOO
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21346 posts, RR: 54 Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2836 times:
BGR1962: Funny to hear a German bad mouthing him though.
Have you stopped to think that maybe, just maybe we´ve got a less favourable opinion of Reagan´s involvement because we were there when the wall fell?
I´ve been born and raised in western Germany and I know why I joined the big peace demonstration in Bonn 1982, why I refused military service at that same time while Reagan progressively raised the nuclear stakes in an already extremely dangerous situation, with our home country being designated as the first nuclear battleground.
And I know why I consider Michail Gorbatchev as the decisive leader who brought down the wall. Hint: It wasn´t just because Ronnie asked him to!
We were here when it happened. And from close up, the situation was much more complex (and more interesting!) than just "Ronnie brought down the wall!".
Ronald Reagan does have some historical merits; But they´re in severe danger of being eclipsed by the Iran-Contra debacle and many other tactical and strategic blunders and misjudgments.
Among other things, the now-apparent erosion of the transatlantic relationship and the waning of US political influence has its early roots in the Reagan White House.
TYSGoVols From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 634 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2812 times:
Thre can be nothing more than an attempt to slow that down. Besides my statement was an answer to whoever sadi we had a crack break out during his tenure as President. You cannot blame the Presidnet for a nationwide drug problem.
Rocky Top You'll Always be home sweet home to me, Good ole' Rocky Top WOOOOO
BGR1962 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 95 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
Kluas: "with our home country being designated as the first nuclear battleground"
I crew up in a small town on the coast of Maine that was ground zero as far Russian nukes were concerned. It was between the low frequency communication post our navy uses to communicate with ballistic missile subs, a major navy listening post, a major SAC B-52 base and a airfield that was home to KC-135's. So please spare me the crap about being in harms way during the cold war and how badly it effected you.
When Ronald Reagan became President I was proud that the U.S. had a leader who knew how rattle a saber when necessary. It was the only thing that kept the Soviet Union at bay.
It was his leadership that bankrupt the Soviet Union. Had it not been for Reagan the Soviet Union would still be alive and strong today. If it hadn't been for Mr. Reagan you, my friend would have some Stazie making sure you weren't on a computer. Without Reagan Germany might have reunited, but not the way it did.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21346 posts, RR: 54 Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2806 times:
BGR1962: So please spare me the crap about being in harms way during the cold war and how badly it effected you.
If you don´t care to spell my name properly, that´s one thing. But at least read a little more carefully what I´ve written.
What I´ve said is that being close to the scene gave me a fundamentally different perspective of the events. No mention of any "damage" at all.
BGR1962: When Ronald Reagan became President I was proud that the U.S. had a leader who knew how rattle a saber when necessary.
Oh my, you´ve really got a bad case of hero worship.
BGR1962: It was the only thing that kept the Soviet Union at bay.
Outside of your US-centric fantasy world, things looked quite different. How much time did you actually invest back then to find out what was happening in and around Europe and the Warshaw Pact? Sorry, but you´re not making the impression of actually knowing what you´re talking about.
In reality, there were many, many more factors involved; And the Reagan administration certainly didn´t play the leading role.
Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 41 Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2797 times:
One of the top five presidents in the history of the United States.
-Helped end communism by having a peace through strength policy
-Ended a potentially very dangerous recession and ended fiscally irresponsible policies enacted by the Carter administration
Klaus, Reagan did play a leading role in the fall of the USSR and the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Soviets in the late 70s had every intention of keeping power because they knew with weak presidents like Carter who would never stand up to them they could do as they pleased. Reagan basically let the Soviet regimes know that as long as Communism was still in place, the United States would always be strengthening itself to a degree beyond what the USSR could do.
L.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
Well I'm here, just lovin people trying to take cheap shots at the third greatest President of all time. Ronald Reagan ended communism, brought us into the greatest period of economic growth in history, created millions of jobs, and ,most of all, gave people a sense of American pride that was destroyed in the 70s by hippies, peaceniks, Iran hostages and Vietnam.
Trijetfan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2770 times:
Thats more like it!
-I think it was very important that he set a major pride in America after the anti American hippies as you said. I like it how the people who hate have no facts to back up their statements. They are just protecting the left wing.
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4242 posts, RR: 53 Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
TriJetFan, I haven't seen anybody really from either side make any kind of argument with actual facts. If what L.1011 said is fact merely because he said it, then please, L.1011, say that I am richer than Bill Gates.
And although admittedly a liberal, I do not protect the left wing and do not get pissed off if people disagree with what I say or believe. And, as I said before, I do not believe President Reagan did a good job, though I do not believe he has been one of the two or three worst presidents of all time. And I really wish people would stop saying "Ronald Reagan ended communism." First of all, there are still communistic states out there that have been communist since pre-Reagan times (Cuba, North Korea, Angola, etc.). Secondly, the USSR fell because of reforms being made by the communist party in the USSR, and these reforms began in the 1970s, not in the 1980s. There was no US President responsible for the fall of communism. The Soviets did a fine job of implosion.
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
25 Trijetfan1: Texan I was saying when DC guy said that he was an asshole.
26 L.1011: Trijetfan1, I'd love to put you on my RR list, but it's full. Just wait till one of 'em pisses me off Texan, Ronald Reagan got the USSR by simply driv
27 Doug_or: L.1011 Thats exactly Texan's point. Reagan didn't end communisim in the USSR. The communist sytem in the USSR ended it.
28 Trijetfan1: If Reagan did not stockpile back in his terms, there would still be a hammer and sickle!
29 BN747: L-1011..good job at hijacking my verbalizing the 'Russians's had to choose between eating or building missles' theme...you learn fast! Go ahead, post
30 Doug_or: The soviet union was broke. they would have been broke if reagan stockpiled more weapons. the would have been broke if he wasted less on star wars.
31 Klaus: When you´re looking at the time strictly with a domestic american view (and a partisan one at that), you´ll miss the fundamental changes that were a
32 Superfly: Ronald Reagan sucked as a President but George W. Bush sucks harder! Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall sumed Reagan up the best. "Ronald Reagan
33 MD-90: BGR1962, the waning days of the 80s weren't the height of the Cold War, but I grew up living 25 miles from the Redstone Arsenal (and Marshall Spacefli
34 Superfly: MD-90: Thank God the Democrats controlled the House of Representatives and Senate (Reagan's last two years) to keep Reagan in check so all of those gr
35 L-188: Actually the fact he got all that accomplished despite the congress, is what makes the Reagan legacy even more incredible.
36 L.1011: BN747, Don't post that Alzhemer's shit. Everyone who isn't completely brainwashed (not nessecarily including you) knows that's bullshit. Superfly, Let
37 777236ER: L.1011, You say Regan destroyed the Soviet Union, but then your signature is "Government is not the solution to our problems, government is the proble
38 Alpha 1: Actually the fact he got all that accomplished despite the congress... Actually, that is inaccurate, L-188. He made a deal with the Democratic Congres
39 TriJetFan1: 777236ER- that is a sarcastic Reagan quote.
40 MD-90: If you're willing to give as much credit to Reagan for the 80's economy, Clinton deserves the same lions' share of the credit for the boom in the 90's
41 Haveric: You might want to check your sources for the conservative rhetoric you spewed above. For example: "Certainly we're looking at a VAT tax." Donna Shalal
42 Alpha 1: Alpha 1, it may be hard for you to accept, I know, but it is quite clear that Reagan was responsible for the economic recovery after Carter's disastro
43 MD-90: Oops. I mis-typed. Should be 1993, of course. When it comes to the economy, the GOP party line that they can do no wrong, and that the Dems screw ever
44 Alpha 1: When it comes to the economy, the GOP party line that they can do no wrong, and that the Dems screw everything up, you're not all that far off the mar
45 North county: Klaus likes to use the term "hero worship" as often as possible...... Reagan was a great president. Future generations the World over will come to re
46 WellHung: I don't really have an opionion of the man as a President, but people who argue about him surely are idiots.
47 Trijetfan1: "I don't really have an opionion of the man as a President, but people who argue about him surely are idiots." -If you don't have an opinion, don't po
48 WellHung: If you don't want people to respond, don't start a thread. After all, your original post said: "What is view on Ronald Reagan?" After correcting the o
49 Airplay: Is this thread still active? Man...this thread is gonna outlast the subject. Let's face it. The Reagan administration isn't going to go down in histor
50 Trijetfan1: Why do you think that people who debate over him are idiots?
51 WellHung: Well, if you bothered to read my post, I said "argue," not "debate." There is a difference. Let's see... a sample of the genius of this, um, "debate."
52 Jcs17: Klaus, instead of just saying "Uhhhh, Reagan didn't end Communism," please give three main events to why the Berlin Wall fell and the era of oppressio
53 Superfly: Jcs17: please give three main events to why the Berlin Wall fell and the era of oppression ended in Russia. It's all because Ronald Reagen told them t
54 IMissPiedmont: I wonder what the world would be today if the American communist party had not rejected Reagan in the 1930s? Doubt me? Do some research..
55 Superfly: IMissPiedmont: Sorry but I doibt it would have made a darn difference. Didn't McCarthy and Nixon have a lot to do with that anyway?
56 SFOintern: Reagan did nothing for AIDS. He didn't even mention the "A" word. Rather, he watched millions of people wither away without a flinch. That, my friends
57 B2707SST: Fact check: However, when the economy is in decline, people invest less and save more, so the money was actually not being reinvested into the economy
58 BN747: L-1011, the Alzheimer schtick...sticks! He had it alright and everyone around him knew it! You may not like it..but it's a fact! If you check any Alzh
59 Klaus: North county: Klaus likes to use the term "hero worship" as often as possible...... Is that so? Then why, please, have I let about 3509 opportunites g
60 Alpha 1: What's even worse is how he got into office...The October Surprise. Uh, maybe YOU should look up your history. The "October Surprise", was supposed to
61 BN747: No...You NEED to look up history, Alpha 1, the phrase 'October Suprise' correlates with Geo. Bush I's constant mantra 'I was out of the loop' replies.
62 Bruno: I wish I was old enough to vote for him. I did vote for Bush in 1988.
63 Texan: B2707, it is, of course, best to have a balanced level of investing and savings, too much of either can lead to bad economic times in divergent ways.
64 L.1011: Texan and Alpha, Thank you for keeping a level head and not being totally blind. BN747, Wow. Just wow. Where exactly is your proof of Reagan's Alzheim
65 BN747: Uhhh L-1011...apparently, everyone on the planet knows he's suffering from Alzheimers...except you! BN747