Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 49 Posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2874 times:
It's taken me a long time to figure it out, but now I think I have found at least one big piece of the puzzle...
Hardly a week goes by here at work where I am not bombarded with requests from my co-workers to buy some candy, cookies, or magazines because their kids are (supposedly) selling them for their school.
I know that the parents mean well, but are they really doing their kids a favor by doing that? It seems to me that by taking your kids Girl Scout cookie order form to work sends the following message to the kids:
1. Why work when I can get my parents (or someone else) to do the work for me?
2. No matter how many candy bar boxes get emptied out, I can take the credit for doing absolutely nothing.
3. Work. What's that?
Whatever happened to doing the work yourself? Do kids still go knocking from door to door or hold car washes to have their fund raisers?
No wonder todays kids have such a lousy work ethic. The thought of actually doing something seems to be an alien concept to them. And they seem to have no trouble taking creditfor the work that their parents or siblings did.
LudiChris From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2796 times:
Damn straight man... my co-workers often do the same thing.
About a month ago my boss actually brought in calenders his son was selling... everyone at the station bought one except me. I told him i wouldnt buy one unless he brought his son in, then i would buy one from his son. (he didnt bring his son in)
I remember when i was a kid i did ALL fundraisers myself, not because my dad hated me, but because he loved me and wanted me to learn to do things myself...
SEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2738 times:
Wait a minute.
I coulda sworn co-workers that do this for their kids were only HELPING THEIR KIDS OUT. I thought when parents fundraise at work, it was basically SUPPLEMENTING the child's efforts. I thought their kids have fundraising forms of their own (which they solicite themselves), and I thought the parents have their own forms to solicite too. Gosh, all this time I was thinking this method was just to reach as many people as possible!
You mean to tell me these kids sit at home after school licking lollipops and watching cartoons while their parents do ALL the fundraising work for them?! ...I've been swindled!
The little lazy creeps need to be sent to juvenile facilities. The parents need to be reported to Family Court.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7732 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2725 times:
As far as I can remember parents have always been helping out their grade school aged kids by selling those chocolates, wrapping paper, sausages, etc....
Now what really bugs me, and this is a whole other topic, is why should schools, which are publically funded, need to go out and have their students peddle overpriced crap to make more money. It seems ridiculous.
Oh, the Girl Scouts do work very hard selling their cookies themselves.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
Climbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2724 times:
Many kids in this age (NOT all of them, but many, especially in the U.S.), do not understand the concept of hard work and it isn't really their fault. Things have changed greatly in this era. No, not too many kids still go door-to-door selling cookies and what not. Now you see them in front of grocery stores. Most parents are afraid to send thier kids out selling cookies because it is not as safe as it used to be. So parents just bring the stuff to work. Another reason SOME kids are lazy is because every thing is automatic. There's no need for effort when you've got things like: remote controls (don't have to get up and change the channel), dishwashers (don't have to wash dishes), mirowaves, video games, computers (you can run a home business on your computer), Word processors (don't have to deal with a typewriter), cordless phones (don't have to jump up and answer phone nor do you have to dial all the numbers if you have phone numbers programmed in), remote to the garages (you don't have to get out of your car to open/close the garage), lawn mowers that you ride on (don't have to push it) and so on. Think about it! A kid can spend 6 hours on a computer talking to some one way over in South Africa who he's never met, but he hasn't gone outside to play with the kid right next door in over six months.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39470 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2707 times:
Climbout, you took the words out of my mouth!
Good point indeed!
Matt D, your starting to sound like Hillary Clinton.
She stressed that younger adults and kids today have a low work ethic.
I think many corporations have a low work ethic.
Kids don't sell door-to-door anymore because it's not safe!
Lot's of people have guns!
Todays technology dosen't help either.
Some kids spend hours on the internet talking about airplanes hoping to get on 'respected users list'.
I hate to sound old but back in my day, playing baseball ment using a bat and a ball with about a dozen other kids. Playing football ment playing on the grass with a real football. Today playing sports means point and click!
Westjet_737 From Japan, joined Nov 1999, 868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2701 times:
You guys are exactly right.
Being a kid myself I know how lazy most of us are.
Most of my friends sit around all day playing all of their video games and watching TV. I recently had an experience that shocked me. My friend went from a 89% Average to a 74% average just because Quote "I didn't want to study" or "I didn't want to do the project".
To me that just shows how most teenagers now are very lazy.
I have recently volenteered for a political party, studied the US space program and helped a friend finish a project all while maintaining a 96% Average in all subjects.
(I am not saying that all teenagers are lazy, some are accually very good. I am also not saying that watching TV and playing video games are bad. They are fine but, in moderation.).
Blink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2701 times:
I will admit that if I really wanted to sell something, I would probably ask my dad to sell it to nurses and other doctors around the hospital. But, when I make all that money, do I really feel that I worked hard at selling cookies or whatever I am selling? No. I would if I were to go up to the hospital(my dad is a doctor) sell them myself, I would feel good about my self and deserve it also. I will admit that my generation(or maybe the next one after me) is getting pretty lazy, I do see the point in that nowadays, we are loaded with homework and late at night is the only time I get for myself, the rest is homework,studying and dinner. So, I see the point that those kids have about not having time to, but most of those kids are 1-4th grade and they don't get much homework, and they can go to the offices on the weekend. Yes, I do think that the next generation after mine is getting very lazy.
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
Do you read Dilbert?? In one of the Dilbert volumes I have there is a Sunday strip pertaining exactly to your topic...just thought it ironic...
Anyway, here in the Philadelphia area a few years ago, an 11 year old boy named Eddie Polec was murdered while doing door-to-door selling...not sure how national this was...this scared a lot of people with kids in the area from door-to-door selling. I can understand if the parents do the selling for them...
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FLYGUY From Canada, joined May 1999, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2680 times:
Just so you know, not ALL young people are lazy. I just got back last night from Mexico where I accompanied 41 teenagers who fundraised their own money to work at an orphanage in Baja California which included a 40 hour bus ride each way only to help the kids down there.
The teens held dinners and car washes. Let's not stereotype too much...
FP_v2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2672 times:
All those fund-raisers that schools orgainzie are plain retarded. If the damn school can't afford trips and stuff they should concentrate on education instead. Like it isin't enaugh that kids spent their entire childhood 8 hours a day in "school" learining mostly useless stuff (that they will likely forget in a month)from year to year, the damn school system asks them to make money...HA! In my opinion schools are not about educating young people but to give teachers a full time job. The 12 wasted years could be eaisly shrunk into 6-8.
Busdriver From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2672 times:
I as a tourguide and tourbusdriver in the San Francisco Bay Area deal with a lot of high school students groups. The groups come from all over the world to visit the USA,which always includes a trip to our city. American high school kids are not the worst - it's Brazilians, Mexicans and other upper-class children of the reigning Latin American countries. These offspring, raised with servants and private schools and so on, do not know anything about work, accepting what is given, (e.g., meals and so on), or even recognizing their extreme priviledge when they come from nations of struggling, semi-starvation level wage-earners. They learn arrogance and laziness from their parents and expect others to provide them with everything.
American highschool kids on our buses, generally of the upper-middle-class, do not have servants, but have parents who do and pay for everything for them. They do not babysit, mow lawns, paint fences, garden, houseclean, run newspaper routes, or work parttime at shops, restaurants or hotels. They are given long, expensive trips abroad or around the USA while their parents get a break from them. We tourguides and drivers have to deal with these semi-spoiled children who do what they want: come back late to the bus, refuse to eat their meals, talk on their cellphones, chew gum and leave it on the seats, smoke illegally, drink, make out in the back of the bus, and complain endlessly, or at least sulk, pout and frown. They're considered, to put it mildly, a grieviously ungrateful lot. We feel we're wasting our efforts, our educated lectures on these groups, but what the heck! We adults need paychecks, and their parents are sending them to us to take care of them so we do it anyway.
Which teenagers ARE grateful, attentive, etc.? Asian kids. If they come directly from Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia or China, they're an educated and well-disciplined elite whose parents have instilled in them respect for authority, a sense of gratitude, humility, and civility. It is a pleasure to deal with them, help them, give them high-level history, geography or socioeconomic lectures on California, and of course, they're so well-prepared, they know much of what we're telling them already BY HEART - including statistics about population, etc.
American kids are a product of their parents. Why they become so indifferent to their (relatively) silver-spoon youth is a mystery to me, since my parents were immigrants, had to work hard, and we all had to scrimp. To think of trips to Europe or around the USA at that age was an impossible dream. Maybe "having it all" is a backhanded curse; one is simply too young to understand what it means not to have it. Later, they will look back and appreciate it, but it's too late - they have to appreciate it WHILE they receive it, or all the efforts at education (which their parents pay) won't penetrate.
Any rebuttals? I am happy to argue all day with you. Or take you on a tourbus full of these U.S. kids!!!! This Saturday I have another load to meet at SFO, and I dread it. But a paycheck is a paycheck, hey?
NKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
I for one believe that life for most has become far too sterile. To be sure, more complicated and stressful, but physically easier to the point of fault. There's a fine line here between nurturing and coocooning, so I'll stop short of carmudgeoning ( as though I have a right to do so in my 30's! ). If we want to make life easier for future generations, we should not overdo it, and do so out of good faith...and not for the purpose of feeling superior as so many parents are wont to do: " When I was your age I had to get up at 3AM and chop wood before walking 73 miles to work uphill...in both directions". The question begs: Why imply that that their offspring are somehow ungrateful for their easier life when they could not possibly have any idea of what it was like "when I was your age" due to said parents deliberate coocooning?
VirginLover From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 958 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2635 times:
I'm disgusted with some of your stereotypes for "all American kids today" (I know some of you said MOST, and I thank you for it)
Fundraising is becoming a safety issue. Children are not allowed to sell door-to-door anymore for most organizations (ex. Girl Scouts) because of the sad incident where a young girl was raped and killed during her door-to-door sales.
Not all teenagers today are lazy and incompetent. In my school, there is about 100 kids handing in their National Honor Society forms tomorrow, many who have 2 pages filled with service and leadership. To even be asked to TRY to get in, candiates must have a 93.5 average or above during this year.
I have no clue what lazy is. These past few weeks, I have had no free time. (this is one of the first times I have posted this week) Let's take yesterday's schedule for example:
2:30-5: Varsity Badminton Practice
5-6: Wrote a 650 word essay and did my math HW
6-8: Went out to eat, making a rough copy of my SS hw
8-9: Took a shower, got changed and typed up my final copy of the SS hw
9-9:20: Watched a few minutes of TV and went to bed.
And don't try to say: "You should have done your essay earlier." I did it early so I could hand it in for 5 extra points.
Before badminton, I was doing OM, which had me at school until 10pm on school nights. I'm also participating in a Holocaust awareness program. Sunday was my first free day in literally a month. So please, stop making generalizations, because those who do work are getting mad.
Adam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2624 times:
Yeah not all teenagers are lazy. For example I have barely any freetime. I work full-time, I attend community college 2 days a week, I cook, I clean, I work on cars. Then when I have free time (before I go to sleep or on my days off) I play on the internet. It is really hard on me, I am pretty much worn out all the time and just dont feel like doing anything when I get home from school or work, but I just keep chugging along. Then boy let me tell you, when my day off comes around I sleep for like 12 hours or so. For example my schedual usually looks something like this.
Mon.- work 8am-4:30pm, come home and clean, then take a nap until about 7pm, then I cook some dinner.
Tue.- work 8am-noon, go home rest, clean up and leave for school. school is 3:30pm til 9:30pm.
Wed.- same as mon, and homework at night
Thur.- same as Tue.
Fri.- same as Mon. & Wed, and homework at night.
Sat.- work from noon to 4pm
Sun.- same as sat.
Well now that I look at it, maybe I do have alittle bit of freetime, hell I dont know whats happening to my time. Oh well. Anyways to people who still live with their parents (and dont have to pay any rent or bills), live life while you still can. Trust me, I work full time and make about $1000 a month, I can barely afford to get by, and with how much I am working I barely even have a social life, the only thing I have that even closely represents a social life is talking to my friends at work and school or talking to them on the phone. But I still feel good about what I am doing with my life so far.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2623 times:
candiates must have a 93.5 average or above during this year
How is it even possible to get an average like that? The highest average in my high school was 92%...and that was from a true nerd who studied 24/7! Most going to University had averages between 70-85%...I just snuck on to the honour roll with an 81 % average
I think giving such artificially high marks gives kids an impression of invincibility and is not a good idea. If you can get over 90 so easially, why bother trying?