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So You Want To Do Business In Detroit Huh?  
User currently offlineProSimTec From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

Anyone who wants to do business in Detroit can look forward to this. As the article mentioned; People aren't exactly beating down the door to do business in here.


http://www.detnews.com/2004/editorial/0403/06/a08-82588.htm

The way some Detroit City Council members behave, you would think Detroit is a place where businesses are beating the doors down to get in.
Businessmen, investors and even labor officials who come before the council are routinely subjected to irrelevant and racially tinged grilling — “Where do you live?” “How many workers who look like me will you hire?” etc. — as the members pose and preen for the cable television cameras.
Now Councilwoman JoAnn Watson, the worst of the bunch, is offering a proposed ordinance that would require businesses seeking city contracts to disclose whether they or their parent companies profited from slavery.
Never mind that slavery was ended by a nightmarish civil war nearly 140 years ago, and any company that has survived since then has gone through all the wars, economic collapses and recoveries, social movements and cultural and technological changes that the rest of the nation has endured. It’s highly unlikely that any gains from slavery are still fueling the business.
Still, council wants any company that might have been around prior to 1865 to delve into its archives and determine whether it had an association with slavery.
Obviously, the ordinance would apply to very few companies and possibly none.
But it illustrates remarkably well the misplaced priorities of the people who are supposed to be leading this city from blight to light.
Rather than saddling businesses with an additional burden, the council members should be working themselves to the point of exhaustion tearing down the barriers to business in Detroit: high taxes, poor services, bureaucratic red tape, a deteriorating infrastructure, lack of a skilled workforce, just to name a few.
Those are all problems that elected leaders are paid to solve.
Instead, Watson and others on the council seek issues like the slavery ordinance on which they can grandstand while avoiding any real work.
Chicago and Los Angeles are among the cities that have adopted slavery disclosure laws as part of the reparations fight. It is an equally poor idea in those communities, but at least they are better able than Detroit to afford turning businesses away.
If Detroit is to win the long and difficult struggle for revival, all of its leaders must be singularly focused on improving the business climate, creating jobs and encouraging investment.
The city doesn’t have the luxury of being distracted from that mission by matters that were settled back when Detroit was a place where people actually wanted to do business.


Also, a local retired businessman recently made a 200 million dollar gift offer to the City of Detroit in order to build charter (non public) schools in the city. Any child in the city could choose what school he/she wanted to attend. There was so much fighting between the Mayor, City Council, the Public School Teachers and their Union, that the man withdrew his offer.

Detroit averages at least 1 murder per day, others crimes are skyrocketing out of control and the city is facing drastic cuts due to budget shortages....And this is how the city leaders are acting.


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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2678 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Does it surprise you? Does it REALLY surprise you?

Now Kwame wants to renovate the Michigan Central Depot and make it a new Police headquarters?? 140 million dollar project they say, and Detroit is 200-some million in debt. Where's it gonna come from Mr. Mayor? Werent you supposed to be busy fixing the public school system laden with employees who rip off the system? Students cant even get textbooks while the Superintendent is sitting in his penthouse office at the Fisher Building downtown surrounded by 40,000 dollars worth of office furniture. Or how about that Book-Cadillac Hotel renovation. They started but your people gave the investors the wrong numbers and the cost overruns on the project are so huge that they pulled their funding. How are you gonna finish that one, Mr. Mayor?

Detroit is a joke. Im embarrassed to tell people im from around here.

Edit:
The problem is that these people are more worried about carrying a briefcase, wearing expensive clothes, and driving a BMW then actually DOING their jobs. The City of Detroit fights with everybody about everything. They fight with Wayne County over the state of the Mental Heath system in the area. They fight with the tri-county area over public transportation (a system in which they want to reap all the benefits but pay ziltch for the construction). Theyre even fighting with Oakland County and want to levy taxes on Oakland County residents for an expansion to the Cobo Conference and Exhibition Center downtown. Detroit isnt in the position to do moronic stuff like this and yet they do. The citizens will never vote anyone credible into office becuase thats just the way they are. I see no way to solve this problem that is.. Detroit.

[Edited 2004-03-07 00:17:38]


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User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

Just wait until the City of Detroit turns that beat up, ugly old former Michigan Central Train Depot into the new police headquarters. The cops will be able to stand on the roof with binoculars and watch all of the crime taking place throughout the city. I heard the other day that the basement of that building has had as much as 10 to 15 feet of water in it.

And there is still talk of renovating the old Book Cadillac Hotel on Michigan Ave near Washington Blvd. Has anyone thought of where that thing is actually located??? Nobody in their right mind would stay in that area. There is nothing there!

The brand new Hilton hotel just opened in the Harmonie Park area...beautiful hotel but......anyone want to take bets on how long Hilton keeps their name on that place??





Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.....
User currently offlineProSimTec From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Does it surprise you? Does it REALLY surprise you?

No, it doesn't surprise me in the least. In fact,I've come to expect it. Kwame and city council are fiddling while Detroit burns.

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2606 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

I don't know how I missed this topic before, but I'll throw in my .02 late anyway. Having lived here in the area since 1965 (except for a couple years active Army duty where I saw decidedly less violence), I have witnessed the decline of what was once a great city, now relying on perpetual promises at regular intervals about how the city will be brought back. Sorry. There is rarely irreparable damage done to anything inanimate (got a checkbook and a data plate and I'll build you a new one), but Detroit isn't an inanimate object. It's an organism. An organism with, unfortunately, a terminal disease. Sorry I agree with you folks. There's a ton of great people here, but as old-timey mathematics say, the ratio still ain't there. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

It's even worse in Cleveland...

I hate to say it, but the rust belt will never change in my lifetime. People around here are too bent on revenge and getting back at the rich guys to do anything meaningful.

I've seen bright spots over the years though, and i'm really impressed with the airport leadership. The new director has had a ton of experience at the PANYNJ and DFW. But all these bright spots aren't enough to counter the anti-progressive people and the back door deals at City Hall.

User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

How many of you live in Detroit ??? No not the suburbs but in Detroit ??? You may not remember but Detroit was left to the poor black people way back in the sixties. So what they do to it or for it isn't up to you... I say let it rot !!!


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2606 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

DC10guy; your comments stir mixed emotions and I have mixed experiences (being an area resident - including having a Detroit address) - but the bottom line after living and working here for fourty(!) years only gets sugar-coated by verbage. The real bottom line is that you, and others, believe "Detroit was left to the poor black people way back in the sixties." (your quote) and serves to perpetuate a myth.

After the Detroit riots (and I'm talking about '67, not '43) an invitation (almost a decree) by the new mayor, Coleman Young, virtually threw out all non-blacks from operating the city. Worked great, huh? Detroit was "left" to the poor blacks? Have a blast rewriting history, but nobody will buy your book written in invisible ink. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

Cptkrell, I am not completely sure but I think Dc10guy's remark about "poor black people" was sarcasm. Because black people are always viewed to as "poor and discriminated", while Dc10guy tries to say that this is actually because of blacks themselves, and Detroit is an example.

Actually, Detroit is not the only example of this. Any African country could be. Many black-ruled Carribean countries, e.g. Haiti, could be too. People can of course blame colonialism for this, but just look where Asian colonies are now (e.g. Singapore) and compare them with African colonies. Of course, some Asian and European states are/were a failures too, but this is mostly because type of government (e.g. socialism). However, these countries are quickly improving after bad form of government was changed (e.g. Eastern Europe). Not so for Africa.

Well, but this post speaks about Detroit, not Africa, so I will stop here.

User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2678 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

A once great city, the "Arsenal of Democracy", the "Renaissance City", left in ruins by a corrupt and inept city government run by complete and total morons, and a citizenry bent on making white people pay for injustices against family members who died in 1836. This sturs alot of emotion in many people, as this city was once one of the great ones in this country. Sorry to sound racist but it certainly wasnt the white people rioting in 1967. Coleman Young's "Go hit 8 mile" speech didnt help either. Blacks were too hellbent on revenge to do anything except purge the city of whites. Now theyre left wallowing in their self-created mess, crying for tri-county and state assistance. Sorry. You made your mess, you live in it.


Bring back Jerome P. Cavanaugh!


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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

At one time Cleveland and Detroit were two of the three best and largest cities in the United States. They used to rival New York City in terms of industry and quality of life.

But the cities reached that peak in the 1950s, and since then they have been some of the only cities in the US to see their population decrease.

User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

Bring back Jerome P. Cavanaugh!

I'd even settle for Albert Cobo, Louis Miriani or Roman Gribbs.  Smile

Detroit's population used to be close to 1.8 million people. It is now, of course, less than 1 million and still dropping. I have read that sometime this year, San Jose, CA. will pass Detroit and become the United States 10th largest city.


Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.....
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Cptkrell, There's a great web site called "the ruins of Detroit" It has great pics of once great Detroit neighborhoods now in ruins. Why all the ruins ? Because White people did not want to live with black people. The all white police force of the sixties did the best they could to keep black people in there place until the black people finally rioted and basically put a end to Detroit. Now white people sit back in there suburb homes and piss and moan about how shitty Detroit is. Well its YOUR fault too. Not just Coleman Young's fault. Detroit IS a shit hole. The best thing that could happen to that place is bulldoze it down and start over.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2606 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

DC10guy sez It is YOURE fault too, not just Colman Young's.

OK., you think all the shit came down while you (cerimoniously?) left for Tucson or whatever? Thanks much for telling me about a website. Duhhh...I've been here since 1966.

Your profile indicates that you were only getting around to figuring out there were indeed different functions for your pecker at THAT time; my suggestion is for you to figure out the if's and why's that are indeed different functions for your brain and (hopefully) learned analyization process at THIS time. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

Cptkrell, Dude, I'm no one to say anything about anyone's posts. I am a product of the Detroit public schools. I feel lucky to be able to read let alone write. But I cannot understand any part of your post dude. Yes I left Detroit in 1980. My family still lives there. The place sucks. Bulldoze it start over !!! Just stop blaming the Black people. You/We left it for them to do as they please... And they have. You really should go to "the ruins of Detroit" web site.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1164 times:


One murder on average per day? Seems more like two or three per day lately.


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