Sabena332 From Germany, joined May 2001, 14295 posts, RR: 100 Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 488 times:
Personally I don't think he should do that
I agree with you. This campaign shows disrespect for all the victims of this horrible terror act, nobody should use these pictures for marketing purposes. It is utterly devoid of class in my opinion.
Jamesag96 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 14 Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 488 times:
He was the sitting President in one of our darkest hours...I don't think it is tasteless unless images such as people jumping from the Towers, planes impacting, or body parts.
This is recent history and we as a people should not forget what happened that day, where we were, and what we felt...I am worried though that many people have forgotten how they felt.
My .02.
Those that are blinded by their intense hatred of the man, will disagree with me rather vehemently.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4661 posts, RR: 33 Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 486 times:
I don't mean to be a smart-ass about this, but I realized this would happen on about September 15th 2001 and I think a lot of others have too. It isn't the first time, fundraising materials from over a year ago have pictured Bush on the phone on AF1 on 9/11 and tried to cash in on that.
It is truly sickening that tragedy is taken advantage of for political gains.
Jamesag96 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 484 times:
It is disrespectful to those that died, those that worked to find survivors, and to those serving our country today to shy away from the most important event in recent history.
That being said, I think the media is blowing this way out of proportion...
I have seen/heard several interviews of loved ones of those lost, firefighters that day, and others that have no problem and fully support the president on this, but there are several that feel otherwise as well.
Interesting that on the Today show there were three people, two were against, one was ok with it, but was only allowed to speak sparingly compared to the others.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 470 times:
...I don't think it is tasteless unless images such as people jumping from the Towers, planes impacting, or body parts.
When he's cutting funding for First Response workers like EMT, Fire, Police, and when he stonewalling the 9/11 Commission, and not cooperating fully with them, to their exasperation, it's tasteless.
Dragon-wings From United States, joined Apr 2001, 3606 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 462 times:
He could loose votes because of this. If family members who lost loved ones on 9/11 don't like him using those images they might not vote for Bush, and that would be alot of votes.
MidnightMike From United States, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 37 Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 449 times:
First of all, you would have had to see the commercial and the way it was put together it was very tastefull and nicely done. The 9/11 photos were very brief, and there was no real direct link that was said verbally to it. Now if somebody had used the same video footage and said if I was the President, this would have never had happened, then that would be in bad taste.
Some families feel the use of the video is just fine & dandy
Some 9/11 families show support for Bush ads
22 people sign ‘Open Letter to America
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NEW YORK - More than a dozen families who lost relatives in the Sept. 11 attacks released a letter Saturday declaring their support for President Bush and his use of images of the destroyed World Trade Center in campaign ads.
“There is no better testament to the leadership of President Bush than Sept. 11,” the letter states. “In choosing our next leader we must not forget that day if we are to have a meaningful conversation.”
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Others are complaining, a little. Now what I find in bad taste in the Fire Department's union, after pledging their support for John Kerry, have said that the ad is in poor taste. Well, duh, they are supporting John Kerry, they would have a problem with every President Bush commercial.
Cptkrell From United States, joined Sep 2001, 2222 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 435 times:
In my opinion there is nothing distasteful at all with the Bush TV ad. That some (9-11) family members and others directly envolved with the tragedy agree with me is fine; that some of same do not agree with me is fine, too. What IS distasteful is the seemingly organised attempts by the opposing party to exert so much effort to dwell on only total bashing for anything/everthing regarding GWB as a person and spend so little thought on presenting exactly what their own creative ideas might be. Regards...jack
MidnightMike From United States, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 37 Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 425 times:
Cptkrell
My thoughts exactly, John Kerry has spent more time attacking than on presenting his plan for when & if he becomes the next president. I would love to hear just one speech where Mr Kerry does not attack President Bush, just one speech is all that I ask for. I watched quite a number of the debates and it was just amazing all of the attacking that was going on, Senator Edwards did it in a tasteful manner, Senator Lieberman was not that bad, the others should be ashamed of themselves.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 419 times:
Stonewalling? Would you rather we move quickly so we can have an "answer" prior to the general election in November?
Come off the high horse, James. No on is talking about moving too quickly, but for God's sake, the 9/11 commission has had to hound the Administration at every turn for it's cooperation. The administration is not willing to do what the committee is asking of them-inculding detailed testimony from Bush, Cheney and Rice. Instead, they want a private, 1-hour session. They haven't exactly been forthcoming with the Commission.
He uses fireman and the victims in his ads, then doesn't support First Response units, and he won't be forthright with the Commission. To me, that's tacky.
J_hallgren From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1506 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 412 times:
Can anyone supply the proof that Bush himself is cutting funding for first response? And for what reason? Or is this simply a reduction in the increase?
I have seen the ads and think they are very calm and polite compared to typical ranting that opposition has done...and use of 9/11 footage is NEEDED as many seem to have forgotten it!
B757300 From United States, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 34 Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 401 times:
Most families support President Bush and have been writing letters that are positive on the ads. Mayor Rudy Giuliani has said the ads are appropriate as Sept. 11th is something we cannot forget. The media however is busy quoting people that are part of a group called "September 11th Families For Peaceful Tomorrows". This group is supported by the a group that is administered by none other than John Kerry's wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. "Peaceful Tomorrows" has been active in anti-Bush protests for several years now so it is no surprise that they're against the ads. The two main people you hear that are bashing Bush over the ads are Colleen Kelly, Andrew Rice, David Potorti, and Kelly Campbell, all of whom are prominent members of "Peaceful Tomorrows".
When they appeared an the various news outlets the last few days, they said EXACTLY the same thing. Word for word it was the same anti-Bush speech. It was obvious that it was a pre-planned speech and someone was behind the scenes was pulling the strings.
"Peaceful Tomorrows" also has direct ties to Moveon.org, the communist Internet site. Several of "Peaceful Tomorrows" events have been arraigned and funed by Moveon.org. It is already well known that Moveon.org is a group of people that represent the absolute worst of the left in the United States.
Vafi88 From United States, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 27 Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 398 times:
It's sick, and makes me throw up. I remember 9/11 clearly, and I just don't feel how unsensitive, uncaring, and just plain stupid to gain political advantage over something that rocked the nation so badly.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
J_hallgren From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1506 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 383 times:
Vafi88: So Bush should just ignore the fact that 9/11 happened? I think the ads are VERY sensitive, caring and intelligent in how it is used...just a snippet to remind people that things are different now than at beginning of term...it's a quick flashback of things that occured since 2000...nothing more...and if THAT makes you throw up, you have a very weak tolerance...nothing related to 9/11 would make feel that way...just more PO'd at Clinton for not doing anything about the source when he had chance..
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 382 times:
just more PO'd at Clinton for not doing anything about the source when he had chance..
Yes, when in doubt, do like a good little mindless Republican, and blame Bill Clinton. It's so much easier than having to critisize Bush or think on your own.
KC7MMI From United States, joined Oct 2003, 854 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 351 times:
I have no problems with GWB using the 9/11 footage to remind people that he led this country during a crisis. The problem isn't the commercial, but the people who are just waiting to be offended.
David b. From United States, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 349 times:
so quick to cast stones
B757300 is quick to cast stones as well. Why don't you talk to him about it. I'm sick and tired of people calling others communist and anti-american just because they don't like how they feel. I never did that and I dont think anyone else should. What does he mean by anti-bush? People not liking bush?
Are these families not within their right to ask for ads to be pulled? Are they oversensitive?
L-188 From United States, joined Jul 1999, 28610 posts, RR: 73 Reply 25, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 348 times:
Are these families not within their right to ask for ads to be pulled? Are they oversensitive
Yes, but GW is also just as much in his rights to run them.
Several family members sent a letter to the campaign saying that they supported the adds.
My prediction is that the liberal media is going to play up the complaints of a few family members, and eventually they will get pulled, or replaced. Most likely the latter.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
26 David b.: Liberal media outlets like RNN and FoXNews(we decide you comply)??
27 L-188: Yeah, like the CNN(Clinton News Network), MSNBC (My Socialist News Broadcasting Company, and the like.
28 J_hallgren: Alpha1: So the reverse must also then be true..."Yes, when in doubt, do like a good little mindless Democrat, and blame George Bush. It's so much easi
29 EA CO AS: So am I right in thinking you people believe FDR shouldn't have made references to his handling of WWII (and the attack on Pearl Harbor in particular)
30 J_hallgren: EA CO AS: RIGHT ON! Good post! Well documented and typical calm NON-name-calling post that we should all strive for...
31 Superfly: Bush is low-class filth and using a tragedy like this for his personal gain is certainly not out of line with his character or lack of .
32 J_hallgren: Bush has more character and CLASS than his opponent...and does not need to resort to name calling as the opposition always seems to need to do...and a
33 Jamesag96: We have this: "Good post! Well documented and typical calm NON-name-calling post that we should all strive for..." Followed by this: "Bush is low-clas
34 J_hallgren: As it's 2:30am...time for this "R" to get some rest...I have not given up...just taking a time out...
35 BN747: Everyone knows Bush was Prez when 9/11 occurred. He doesn't need to 'go to that well' to play the sympathy card. It's like you pull someone from a bur
36 Cptkrell: Egads...yet another accelerating and polarizing political X vs. Y. Who da' thunk? Some say it's tasteless and pandering (or worse...yikes! S'Fly!), an
37 Commander_Rabb: To ignore September 11th, is to ignore history. Look how the administration has dealt with it and all that has happened because of it. History may say
38 EA CO AS: BN- When you're applying for a job (as President Bush is), you have to include your achievements and accomplishments on your resume. Otherwise, it wou
39 DLKAPA: The 9/11 campaign doesn't change the fact that I'm still voting Kerry. DLKAPA
40 BN747: EA CO AS There's a huge difference there. Kerry's vietnam episodes are of his own doing. Bush on the other hand, has no monopoly on 9/11. If anyone ca
41 L-188: Too bad the president can't take vacations. He may spend time in his home state, but you better believe that buisness is still being conducted. The Nu
42 J_hallgren: In a way, 9/11 does belong to Bush as an issue (of history) since he WAS the POTUS at the time...you may not agree with how he handled the situation,
43 BN747: Presidents take vacations and breaks all the time. A week at Camp David..okay, 2 weeks in Crawford...BUT A MONTH-long vacation after 7 months in offic
44 Cfalk: There's a huge difference there. Kerry's vietnam episodes are of his own doing. Right. As a river boat commander, Kerry was critisized for having been
45 BN747: From 'vetsagainstkerry.org Charles? C'mon! Only the Leaning Tower of Pisa slants harder! You might want to look into Kerry's protest against the war w
46 Cfalk: BN, Kerry admited it, qualifying his admission by saying that he was "just following orders". But in a swift boat, he was the the officer in command.
47 BN747: Charles, I totally agree, but what I understand about guys who even come as far has he has...just to admit as much as he has, is huge for a politician
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