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Alaskans Once Again Gives Peta The Finger!  
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Thats right one of the events that is most critized by the terrorist animal rights groups started for real today.

The Iditarod sled dog race from Anchorage to Nome.

The race was in real trouble a few years ago from PETA and those groups who where trying to ge it shut down and boycotting national sponsers. Today the national sponsers are split up with local ones and the prize money available has nearly doubled.

This year the largest field in history started the race, 87 mushers.

They held the cerimonial start yesterday and today the race offically got started for real up in Williow.

Right now the leaders are out of the Skwentna checkpoint covering the 1049 miles to Nome.

For current stats.

http://www.iditarod.com


The fact that this races pisses the hell out of terrorists groups such as PETA is one of the reasons why I enjoy it so much.

[Edited 2004-03-08 10:34:26]


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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

it is amazing how peta achieves to make themselves look idiotic all the time.

instead of concentrating on real issues such as long overland transport of animals to get to cheaper slaughterhouses instead of localized food production infrastructure, they seem to go for ridiculous pr stunts that most of the time have nothing with protecting animals at all.
these fools should start looking at the case they make instead of trying to produce PR that only hurts the cause of protecting animals.
dogs enjoy running, everyone who knows huskies will know that its actually fun for them opposed to what peta might want for them, to sit around and do nothing like the fat peta lawyers do all day.

such cases make me wonder what comes next out of their pr office? maybe avalanche dogs should not be trained anymore? or bomb or drug sniffing dogs.(who all enjoy their job since its playing for them)



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Actually, they have complained over bomb sniffing dogs, in Afghanistan, and those dolphins and Sea Lions the US Navy trained to find mines.

Apparently they think the work is too dangerous for animals.



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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

" those dolphins and Sea Lions the US Navy trained to find mines."

i do agree on that aswell. wild animals as those shouldnt be abused to wage war. of course someone might argue they are just there to remove mines which are a threat to people and ships of non military nature.
i would also fully agree with that if the context was not that the u.s. refuses to sign any land mine ban treaty. so given the context that the intent of the u.s. military does not seem to be willing to use those animals to help the world get rid of mines(which would be acceptable i guess since it would be for the sake of all mankind) but rather as a tactical military element, i have to oppose such trainings.

same with bomb sniffing dogs, if you use them to clear a minefield in a humanitarian mission context or at the airport its a totally different story then for example(not done actually i think) using dogs in a battlefield enviroment to gain a tactical advantage due to boobytrap or minefield etc detection.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

I can't speak for the dogs Zak, but I do want to point up that the Dolphins where used to clear anti-ship mines in Iraq so that relief ships would be able to use the facilites.


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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

i know what you mean and yes thats something that is great that its possible.
all i am saying is they should not be abused in a military context for tactical advantages, i.e. participating in active combat.

i also support using trained animals to get rid of whatever leftovers of pointless conflicts, just not in having them participate in it.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

I really feel that the P.E.T.A. really only go after the high profile and venues that will get them exposure and that is the how and why they pick there causes.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Well, even KROC's man, Jim Rome, can't stand the IKilledADog, er, the Iditarod. It is one that is a little more controversial than how chickens are raised. But to each their own.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Those dogs have the time of their lifes out there, running through the wild.
While some mushers may hurt them, those are poor examples. Most of them love their animals like family members.

PETA and all groups like them (they exist all over the place, but none are as large) are complete idiots and dangerous to boot.

They'd happily unleash a worldwide Ebola epidemic if they could to get rid of human beings in favour of their beloved bunny rabbits for example.



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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

"They'd happily unleash a worldwide Ebola epidemic if they could to get rid of human beings in favour of their beloved bunny rabbits for example."

done a bit of rainbow6 reading?



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

PETA and all groups like them (they exist all over the place, but none are as large) are complete idiots and dangerous to boot.

So you're saying that all animal welfare groups are idiots and dangerous? Absolute rubbish.


User currently offlineTYSGoVols From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 634 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

I do believe in animal rights but, PETA is so idiotic that I can't help but, laugh at them. What other organization would put up a billboard of a Man with boobs and claim he got them from eating meat. Happened here in Knoxville off of I-40 they said it was a new ad campaing that they were testing out here first because of our obesity problems. It was an ugly billboard and showed PETA's lack of taste and intelect.

<>< Garen



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8700 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

As long as PeTA gets a kick in the butt from anything, it can't be too bad.  Laugh out loud


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User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

So you're saying that all animal welfare groups are idiots and dangerous? Absolute rubbish.


I wouldn't put animal welfare groups in that league. The AWG's are there to provide shelter for abused, neglected, and stray animals, something I'm all in support of being a loving pet owner. However, PETA is so far off base compared to AWG's, I don't think they even give a rat's @$$ of their existence. If anything, I'd say PETA is probably against AWG's because they take in stray animals and euthanize ones that are sick (keywords: "take in", i.e. abduct, and "euthanize", as in murder). As mentioned above in previous posts, PETA is pretty much a group of ultra-radical beliefs who can't see past their own katarax they're so oblivious.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

They'd happily unleash a worldwide Ebola epidemic if they could to get rid of human beings in favour of their beloved bunny rabbits for example.

Riiiight, and where did you come up with that gem? Care to enlighten us?

L-188,

Calling them terrorists is ridiculous, unless you know something I don't. Have they killed people in their quest for "animal rights"? Have they destroyed property or blown up buildings? Calling them terrorists is just belittling the real acts of terrorism that have been carried out around the world.

You know what I would call a terrorist group? There was an environmental group in California over the summer that burned down apartment buildings, hummer dealerships, etc. to get their view across.

So before you call PETA terrorists, consider a bit the meaning of what you say.



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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Hey L-188,

Will you guys take in a conservative Taxachusettsian who hates it here?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11534 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals!!

Oh, wait... the 'other' PETA. That PETA is a bunch of kooks. Huskies were bred especially for this type of event. Plus, this event commemorates the year the sleds had to take medicine and other supplies to Nome so they would not die. I wonder what PETA thinks of the original trek.

There are splinter groups that moved away from PETA that are more scary. We have a few in Oregon. They have vandalized offices, labs and farms all over the Willamette Valley in the name of animal rights. If someone chooses not to wear fur or leather or not eat meat, fine. Don't force me to. Maybe these people should all move to a commune in the mountains and try to subsist on nuts and berries all winter and try to keep warm using only pine needles and aspen leaves. I wonder how long until they break down and kill a deer.

GO CANUCKS!!



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User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Hey L.1011,

I don't really like it much here either.

'Speed


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Calling them terrorists is ridiculous, unless you know something I don't. Have they killed people in their quest for "animal rights"? Have they destroyed property or blown up buildings? Calling them terrorists is just belittling the real acts of terrorism that have been carried out around the world.

Yes, there have been, all of the above.

They might not have claimed PETA's name but I would be willing to bet that more then one has been carried out by a member



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User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

L.1011-As a fellow conservative stuck in Massachusetts, I feel your pain.

As for PETA, NOTHING they say should have any attention payed to it. They are just a bunch of phsycos. Kudos to the Alaskans for telling them to go screw!




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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

L-188,

I have to disagree with you. As much as I don't like PETA, they're not a terrorist group, they haven't carried out attacks against civilian infrastructure and business in their name. And if they have, show me documentation of such.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

As I said in post 18 PETA doesn't actively promote these attacks, but I am sure that a significant percentage of their membership agrees with them. And it should be noted that PETA doesn't go out of it's way to condem them either.

Anyway pulled the following story about the costs of this kind of terrorism off this website.

http://www.naiaonline.org/index.htm

Federal report highlights animal rights terrorism
Costs run to millions as researchers and others cope with arson, bombs, and animal releases
By Norma Bennett Woolf
“In July 1989, without warning, Animal Liberation Front activists entered a laboratory and office at Texas Tech University's Health Sciences Center in Lubbock, Texas.”

So begins the description of an incident designated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation as an act of domestic terrorism.

The laboratory was the center of research on sleeping disorders, including Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, conducted by Dr. John Orem. When the ALF raiders quit the premises, they left damaged and disabled equipment and slogans spray-painted on the walls and stole five adult research-conditioned cats. Immediately after the invasion, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals aired ALF's statement justifying theft of the cats and Orem and his research became a target of vicious harassment.

The laboratory was effectively closed for 45 days. Total direct and indirect costs of the break-in was estimated at more than $1 million after equipment was repaired or replaced, new cats were purchased, additional security was installed, and inactive staff was paid.

The Orem case is one of 313 incidents of animal rights extremism charted in “The Report on the Extent and Effects of Domestic and International Terrorism on Animal Enterprises,” a joint report from the Departments of Justice and Agriculture following a study of the subject directed by the US Congress. Two other incidents meet the FBI definition of terrorism, the arson destruction of a veterinary diagnostic laboratory at University of California at Davis in April 1987 and the arson at University of Arizona at Tucson two years later.

The study was ordered as part of the Animal Enterprise Protection Act, passed by Congress in response to radical activities on behalf of animal rights. The act makes it a federal crime to cause more than $10 thousand in damages by disrupting activities at commercial and academic enterprises that use animals for food or fiber production, agriculture, research, or testing; zoos, aquaria, circuses, rodeo, or lawful competitive animal events; and fairs and similar events intended to advance agricultural arts and sciences. Penalties include fines jail sentences, including life imprisonment if serious injury or death is a result of such activity.

The first reported incident of animal rights activity occurred in 1977 according to the report, when a group calling itself the Underground Railroad released two dolphins from a marine laboratory at the University of Hawaii. Since then the incidents have escalated with 201 of the 313 reported occurrences taking place in 1987-1991.

The bulk of incidents (160) are considered to be minor vandalism such as graffiti painting of animal rights slogans or threats such as “Meat is Murder” and “Meat is Death and You Are Next”; broken windows; defacement; glued locks, etc. These would not fall under the Animal Enterprise Protection Act as they do not involve damages of $10,000 and would not be reported to federal authorities. This category of vandalism may be under-represented in the document, for many cases are never reported to any agency.

Seventy-seven cases involved the release (“liberation”) of animals, a staple of animal rights activity.

“In some cases, raids conducted by the Animal Liberation Front are known to have resulted in the release of hundreds of animals,” the report says. “By ALF activists' own admission, for instance, animals of undomesticated origin that are bred and raised in captivity are most often released into the wild where they may not possess the skills to survive. Ironically, in some cases the animals the activists intended to release during the given raid never left their cages. In other cases, animals were known to have returned to the victimized facility following the incident.”

Although less common, major vandalism, arson, bomb threats, and actual firebombings comprised eight percent of all reported incidents and caused millions of dollars in direct, collateral, and indirect damages, thus meeting the ALF goal of economic damage to institutions and businesses that use animals.

Even so, the US is better off than Great Britain, where ALF and other groups are far more willing to use incendiary devices, mail bombs, and car bombs to terrorize institutions and individuals and to threaten product tampering to damage company reputations and bank accounts. A child was injured by a car bomb and two cases of claimed product tampering cost the manufacturing companies a total of £12 million. But animal rights radicalism came to the US from Britain, the report notes, and this escalation in that country could bode ill for this one.

The institutions hit hardest by animal rights activities include research (university and private) and agriculture. Sixty three university facilities and 21 private research laboratories and medical centers were hit for a total of more than $6.5 million. Seventy six businesses involved in animal agriculture, including food production facilities, retail meat outlets, breeding ranches, restaurants, professional associations, and feed cooperatives, were hit for more than $1.1 million in damages, mostly arson. Two of these cases occurred after the Animal Enterprise Protection Act was passed, both involving arson. In October 1992, activists raided a US Department of Agriculture predator project at Utah State University and caused $110 thousand in damages. A month later, radicals firebombed five trucks belonging to Swanson Meat Company in Minneapolis, Minnesota, another $100 thousand-plus hit.

The most active group by far in these incidents is the Animal Liberation Front, a shadow guerrilla organization derived from the ALF in England. ALF claims responsibility for more than 60 percent of the 313 violent or disruptive acts. Believed to be a loose organization of fewer than 100 militant members, ALF is supported in its endeavors by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, an above-ground animal rights group that publicizes ALF's violent, fanatic escapades at press conferences.

Following ARF's claimed responsibility for several raids, the Federal Bureau of Investigation launched a probe of the group as a terrorist organization. Grand juries convened in Oregon, Washington, Michigan, and Utah to investigate several ALF-connected incidents. Only the Michigan investigation has resulted in any indictments so far.

Only one suspected ALF member — Roger Troen — has been convicted of involvement in its radical raids and a second — Rodney Coronado — has been indicted. Troen was found guilty of first-degree theft and second-degree burglary for a break-in at Oregon State University. Coronado was wanted for his connection with a break-in and arson at Michigan State University in 1992 and for charges of vandalism of fur retailers in Canada. He was finally arrested in Arizona and was tried and sentenced in Michigan in 1995.

The report notes that the 313 occurrences it studied are easily eclipsed by the thousands of incidents in Great Britain during the same period. In 1991, 1718 cases caused £8.5 million in damages. Furthermore, activists in Great Britain are more likely to use crude incendiary devices in their attacks; more than 250 such devices were used against the meat industry alone in 1991. Attacks by animal rights activists have borne fruit. They have forced universities and businesses to spend millions on security systems and on the repair and replacement of equipment, have reduced the morale of those involved in research and agricultural businesses, caused cancellation of grants and disrupted valuable research, and led to higher insurance costs. However, the number of incidents has declined since 1991, perhaps because of increased security now in place at many institutions, increased awareness and censure of violence in support of animal rights activities, and laws such as the Animal Enterprise Protection Act.




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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

One other link for you Tbar.

This one actually mentions the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals by name as being a subject of FBI scruitney for possible domestic terrorism.

http://www.amarillonet.com/stories/012304/new_areafbi.shtml



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

Congrats to Mitch Seavey of Seward,Alaska

Who just won the race with 8 dogs remaining about a half hour ago.

His first win in 11 tries

Jeff King is expected into Nome in about two hours for second place.



Suck on that! PETA!!!



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