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User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Article was emailed to me from a freind. Thought I'd share with you all.


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No sex please, we're American

By Justin Webb
BBC correspondent, Washington



After Janet Jackson recently exposed her right breast at the Super Bowl, ABC have decided to broadcast the Oscars with a five-second delay...just in case.

In a country that prides itself on its pursuit of personal freedom, why the big panic?



There are very few occasions on which I want to strangle American friends, but near the top of the list is when I hear them say: "Oh my gosh!"

What they mean is: "Oh my God!"

But in polite American society, even this mild blasphemy is unacceptable.

So people hedge their bets, mind their language, and blur the edges. The result is that life in the American suburbs is lived, linguistically at least, in soft focus "la la land".

People warble rather than talk and inoffensiveness is raised to the status of a major virtue.

Another world

I have a friend from New Zealand - a normal chap and the father of three very nicely spoken children - who admitted to me the other day that he craves indecent language so badly that he goes to the video store and takes out British films.



Sexy Beast, set among British gangsters in the Costa del Crime, is his favourite, because some of the sentences comprise only swearwords.

Most Americans in "la la land" would find even the title of that film problematic. "Oh my gosh!"

The word sex, used in the context of fun, or in a slightly racy manner, is not normally to be heard here.

And it is not just the word. The whole world of sexual behaviour is closed to American polite society.

Eroticism is anathema here - in advertising, in art, in thought.

Even nakedness far removed from eroticism throws Americans into a muck sweat.

In the sports club I go to, there is a stern sign telling me that children aged three and over have to go into the locker room occupied by members of their own sex.


Ninety million people saw one of her breasts

What is going on here?

Would four-year-old Martha be corrupted by seeing the businessmen of northwest Washington naked or would they be corrupted by seeing her?

This is not a necessary precaution to prevent abuse. This is something more peculiar which infests the whole nation: an atavistic sexual trepidation, imported by the puritans, like potato blight on the boat from the old world.

Distress

Imagine then, the upset and the outrage, the gaping open-mouthed horror, when on the biggest audience programme of the year, the annual Super Bowl football match - the Janet Jackson incident occurred.

Ninety million people saw one of her breasts.

For many of them it seems, the experience was one of the most shocking of their lives.

"Oh my gosh", they collectively intoned.

Within days there were hearings on Capitol Hill and earnest discussions on the talk shows of how to save America from indecency.


I saw a breakfast television presenter tell a solemn-looking weather person that her nine-year-old son had been watching. Imagine.

What will she tell him? What will he think?

Well I hope he has a good memory, that young chap, because the powers that be are cracking down on breasts and on talk of breasts.

Within days of the Janet Jackson incident, a partial view of an elderly woman's top half on a medical drama programme was hastily cut.

The decision to invest time and effort delaying the broadcast of the Oscars is only one move in a countrywide effort.

This is now a national priority, almost as urgent as preventing homosexuals from getting married.

Across the Atlantic

Of course, as relaxed Europeans would tell the Americans if only they would listen, the effort to desexualise all of public life, results not only in very dull television, but in an underbelly of seediness - which is the only place left for it to go.


Profanity and sex are kept in boxes at the back of the closet

It is a fact, of course, that fruity language and explicit sexual behaviour are available on tap virtually anywhere in America, if you know where to look.

On our cable television, if you get sick of the delayed Oscars you could buy an instant subscription to several pornographic film channels.

But that is the point. Because profanity and sex are kept in boxes at the back of the closet, they are no longer fun or attractive; just sordid and tawdry, existing only under the counter or in the backstreets.

The other day my wife gave birth to our third child.

It was a wonderful experience though on my way to the hospital I did wonder whether it would work out OK.

Did American doctors and nurses know where babies come from? If they found out would they faint?

In the event I need not have worried. The medical staff were gloriously un-American and my daughter was born without anyone being too shocked.

But little Clara is an American citizen, so we await her first words with longing and with dread. For there is a chance they will be "Mommy, Daddy, Oh My Gosh!"


From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday, 28 February, 2004 at 1130 GMT on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3492968.stm

Published: 2004/02/28 12:12:52 GMT

© BBC MMIV





I support the women’s movement up and down!
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User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

I hereby deem this thread:



'Speed

[Edited 2004-03-10 01:51:08]

User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Normalspeed


Losing your touch?



I support the women’s movement up and down!
User currently offlineHamfist From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 614 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Funny to think were the same people whose courts have upheld the rights of Larry Flynt and Hugh Heffner, huh?

Maybe we're not so much against public nudity, sex, erotica, etc. Maybe we just have a collective notion of when it's appropriate and when it's not. In 2004, I don't think it's strange that parents are dismayed to see something occur that is totally out of context for a football game (ok...THE football game).


User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Hamfist



.......and what are you holding in your fist? Big grin



I support the women’s movement up and down!
User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

This guy should really listen to an audio-recording of a day in the life of an average American 8th grader.

User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

L.1011




This guy should really listen to an audio-recording of a day in the life of an average American 8th grader.


This guy and you should really listen to an audio-recording of a day in the life of an average American 8th grader's parents.



I support the women’s movement up and down!
User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Huh?

User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

L.1011

I figured you wouldn't understand kid.



I support the women’s movement up and down!
User currently offlineMaxmax From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Guys,
I wish she had exposed both her boobs.....
And maybe a little more than that.
thanks god we have some good magazines and dvds around, for me an my 12 year old son to share...til it will be time for some good Strip Clubs and a couple of hookers.
Cheers

Max


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

I remember when I was in the US in 2001, I was at a restaurant and I asked for the toilet, the waitress I asked looked all funny in the face and replied: "The RESTROOM, is over there..."

Ok "TOILET"??
When has that ever been blasphemy Big grin

we have a saying in Danish that goes like this, call a shovel for a shovel, meaning it is what it is and nothing more a toilet is a toilet, the can or taking a dump is not very polite though, but TOILET????

Funny article, but again if this is the main issue you have with your friends, them being too polite or worried about being impolite, then I think you need to shoot higher...

Boaz...



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

As tounge and cheek as this piece is... at times it is shockingly true it makes me want to cry.

We are a nation that loves our euphemisms. We say dang when we mean damn, heck when we mean hell, gosh when we mean God, crap when we mean shit. The list goes on. Some people and some social groups do it more, a lot more, than others. I think it is an odd an interesting phenominom how we twist our language around to say something with the same intent but "nicer" words.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

In the USA it's a scandal to see a boob, but it's very normal and even nice to see bombers flooding a city with their laser guided "surgerical" bombs.

Aren't the priority a bit reversed ?

Honestly, I was so surprised to hear about that boob "scandal". Who cares about seeing a boob on TV while you see violence everywhere ?

Windshear:

In French we say "To call a cat a cat".  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Actually, we're a paradoxal nation: sexual innuendo is EVERYWHERE-on tv shows, in advertisements, you name it, it's there. Yet at the same time we accept, even crave, such innuendo and selling of sex, we go ballistic over the exposing of one breast. I think what Janet did was tasteless, and people have a right to be upset, but what gets me is 5 minutes later, we're watching commercials with just as much sexual content in them, and we don't bat a collective eye.

Then of course, when something like this does happen, the Puritans of the right crawl out of the woodwork, and demand laughable over-reactions to this event-an event, by the way, that most people, when it happened, didn't even know WHAT had happened.

There is a time and a place for sex, but the hypocrisy of going overboard on Janet Jackson, while still seeing so much more sexual innuendo everyday, is just mind-boggling.


User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Windshear,

I was born in the USA and I frequently use toilet because New Yorkers use a lot of terms for the John. Maybe in the part of the US you were from they call the crapper RESTROOMS.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Maybe in the part of the US you were from they call the crapper RESTROOMS.

Just like in some areas of the country, people call carbonated drinks "pop", and in others, it's called "soda".


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

"In the USA it's a scandal to see a boob, but it's very normal and even nice to see bombers flooding a city with their laser guided "surgerical" bombs.

Aren't the priority a bit reversed ?"

very true, no public outcry over thousands of pensions gone due to enron or dozens and thousands of dead and suffering due to "bad decisions" made by the government.

i think the u.s. would have alot healthier society if the acceptance of sexuality was as large as the acceptance of violence and suffering is and vice versa the tolerance to violence etc as low as it is to sexuality now.



10=2
User currently offlineMegaptera From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

The English expression, like the Danish one (Thank you, Windshear) is "to call a spade, a spade" but, of course, that has it's own problems...

User currently offline747400F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

ZAK excelently put! It is so true

User currently offlineTranceport From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

There are a lot of balanced views here. I can understand the different approaches that people take. Each country is unique in their culture and their social mores.

I think the bottom line here is that America is a Christian nation. You may argue that as you like, but from the very inception of America, God and Biblical principles were built into the fabric of government, i.e. "One nation under God, In God We Trust....etc." There remains a large core group of Americans who wish to conserve and maintain the moral ideals of Christianity.

Given that fact, Super Bowl Sunday is for many people a family event. It is a day that many Americans unite for fun and clean entertainment. Outrageous or scandalous behaviour is not expected to be on the agenda. Although I do agree with the previous posts that there is a huge double standard in America, I think this was the main reason for the outrage. When you attend certain movies, frequent certain nightclubs, go to certain concerts, etc., you might expect this sort of behaviour. There is a time and place for everything, and Super Bowl Sunday was not the time nor the place for Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake's titillating (no pun intended) stunt.

Disclaimer: This in no way reflects my personal opinion. It is just the facts as I see them because I spent the majority of my life so far in the Southern US.



User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13169 posts, RR: 78
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

How much is the porn business worth in the US? Hundreds of billions probably.
Then you have Ashcroft covering the breasts of a symbol of justice.
Weird, well he is.

Jackson and Timberlake carried out a cynical stunt, but all the fuss is mind boggling.



User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

No Sex Please, We're American

Of course some Europeans exaggerate in the other direction ...




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User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

NoUFO


Someone needs to sharpen there photoshop skills.



I support the women’s movement up and down!
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

I actually agree with Zac...
I think the term used before about dropping bombs was overstated, but the point is right, as South Park The Movie said, "Violence is ok as long as you don't use any dirty words"...
You can see war as a necessety, and sometimes it can be, but to be so over reactive as the Janet thing was or the flaming of Howard Stern in the midst of intl. tensions and financial unsertainty seems a bit compensating to me...

Projection is common and maybe this is where it originates?
I don't know, but I am glad the Mtv nordic has stopped its bleeping methods and we now can hear when Eminem is rapping a word we all knew he was rapping...

Boaz...



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlinePhxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

I agree with a lot of whats being said here. I don't think its a terrible thing to have naked people on television. I mean do I think there should be hardcore porn on the tv when my kid turns it on to watch cartoons, no. Then again god forbid a kids gets on the internet, from there porn is only a mistyped url away. I agree that America is a overly prude nation when it comes to sex, but I assure you that people that outwardly shun public nudity and sexuality go home and download the latest Jenna Jameson or Ron Jeremy video. America is a very contradictory society, but not all of us are like that. As for being a Christian nation, I agree that religious morals merge highly into public thought. But all "good Christians" aren't as good as they say they are. Besides you know half the men that watched the halftime show were like hell yeah until the wife gave em a cross look anyways. As for me, I was doing homework and missed it.

User currently offlineCFIcraigAPA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 223 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

"But in polite American society . . ."

Okay, gotta ask, which American society are you refering to? Can't be the US, must be Latin or South America. My God, have you spent anytime on the road or generally out in public lately? Polite society my a$$, we're going down the tubes.
CM



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