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7 Israelis Blown To Bits In Ashdod  
User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5120 times:

2 simultaneous suicide bombs at the start of the work week kill 7 (plus 2 homicide bombers) in the bustling port of Ashdod, south of Tel Aviv.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/14/international/14WIRE-MIDE.html?hp

Both Hamas and al aqsa "martyrs" brigade claimed responsibility for killing these seven people, and injuring 20 others.

[Edited 2004-03-14 17:44:15]

47 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5075 times:

Ironically, this came on the day that talks were scheduled between Israeli and Palestinian leaders. I guess some people don't want to try to work towards peace. Regardless of what you think about Bush's "roadmap," bombings on the eve of peace talks won't ever resolve the situation.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Ironic? Not in the least? Planned to coincide? Bet your bottom dollar.

User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

What's new? This isn't going to stop...ever.


FSP


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

This is terrible. I feel for their relatives and families. These people were also innocent like the 200 spaniards the other day.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

But we shouldn't rush to blame the Arab terrorists on this one, right Russophile?  Smile

(sarcasm intended)


User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

Im not sure if it was islamic terrorists, it could have been CIA operatives, or maybe swedish suicide groups, possibly British SAS, or maybe even cub scouts from Cleveland. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Galaxy5 -- two groups -- Hamas and al aqsa "martyrs" brigade, have claimed responsibility...

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

Shows you the decency and sincerety of some people(?) when two groups clamor for the responsibility, huh. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

The problem is that terrorists dont want the peace process and hamas and others have succeed because from peace ful talks we now have both sides living in fear of each other because hamas wrecked the peace process though its campaign, to hamas it cant make peace with the jews. Arafat now is irrelvant meaning that hamas is growing in power, it funds schools, it funds hospitals and it is brainwashing a whole generation. This means israel reacts which causes more violence. the only wqy for peace is for both moderate sides to come forward.We have seen moderates like barak offer statehood, compensation etc but the moderates in palestine are too weak and need building up.


It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Haveric - Galaxy5 doesn't know how to read.

Just to give you a heads up.



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

What I want to see is demonstrations and marches in the Arab world condemning these attacks of terrorism. Silence is complacency.

And no I'm not putting the blame solely on the Arabs but killing civilians like this is LOW.



Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Yeah, and when the Israeli's retaliate, they accidentally end-up killing a child, and they are the ones who look like the terrorists. Why doesn't Israel just take control of Palistine and the Gaza Strip and end this.

User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

Jutes - you're thinking like an American. They would come under fire from every other nation for trying to impose peace through war. (hint hint: Iraq War)


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Agree with all said so far in this thread, but I just wanted to comment on the cancelled peace talks today. It really looks like Sharon is looking for an excuse to back out. The whole point of peace talks is to prevent stuff like this from happening (well, ultimately).

"Why doesn't Israel just take control of Palistine and the Gaza Strip and end this."

Like the past 4 years haven't been enough of a god damn PR disaster?


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Vafi88
From United States, joined Apr 2001, 2111 posts, RR: 43
Reply: 10
Posted Sun Mar 14 2004 21:01:31 UTC+1 and read 64 times:
Haveric - Galaxy5 doesn't know how to read.

Just to give you a heads up.


No, just making a point about not jumping to conclusions so quickly, it has been making the Arab press mad that we always jump to the conclusion that the terrorists are islamic. and Russophile gets upset about it also.







"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4904 times:

Umm, Galaxy. The thing we're arguing about is that it's MOST LIKELY arab muslim extremists through the acts they've already commited. It's not very likely that a Canadian (for example) would go do such a thing.

Oh, and I don't care what Russophile gets upset about.



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

This really, really sucks. All my family and my best friend lives in Israel, so I definitely do not enjoy hearing that this happens over there. They're all ok as far as I can tell, but the death toll is now up to ten.


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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

These people were also innocent like the 200 spaniards the other day.





Yes, they were innocent civilians, victims of evil terrorists.

http://news.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=404875&contrassID=1&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

Like the 200 people killed in Madrid.

Like the 1000 others killed in Israel over the past 3 years.


But there is something quite weird in today's Europe: as long as the victims of terror are Israelis or Jews, no one cares about it.....

Now there are a lot of ceremonies and shows of deep sorrow all over Europe; people are shocked and they keep repeating "nothing can justify such an evil act". But there are no ceremonies and no sorrow here when dozens of young persons are blown to pieces in front of a disco, or when entire families are wiped out in pizzerias and restaurants, or when musicians are killed while performing in a bar, or when babies and grandmothers are assassinated in front of their synagogue or in a shopping mall. And the same was valid when 100 persons were killed in the attack against the Jewish communities of Buenos Aires; who does even remember this attack...?

It is not because the Europeans are not capable of feeling or showing emotions (as can be witnessed these days); it is simply because they don't have any emotion in front of a particular category of terror victims.










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User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

TodaReisinger,

I agree with you. Like I wrote in my earlier post....
But what about all those innocent civilian palestinans who get killed by the israeli soldiers every day. And thats both babies and children. Are they worth anything to you? Or is it only the Jews we should feel sorry for?
I feel sorry for all the innocents who gets killed in this stupid war...


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Qlguy24,

I think the double standard in Europe is that when Palestinian civilians get killed, there is outrage and lots of voices showing discontent, yet when Israeli civilians are killed there is little to none.

Now I don't live in Europe, so can you tell me how much discontent and reaction there was to the suicide bombing that killed Israeli civilians in Ahsdod?



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User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

Tbar220

It is obvious to see that you dont live in Europe. And If you read my earlier thread I was the first to concolence!!!!!

And it was on every newschannel in Denmark and the rest of europe. Like all of the other terrorist attacks around the world. You even see more of that then Israeli attacks on Palestine.

And if there are a suicide bomb in Israel that kills innocent israelis, many people get furious. And I am one of them. I think its stupid that there are some people who just dont want peace. And its not only the palestinians. Im sure the Israelis aren't so innocent all the time. Can you tell me who shot Mr Rabin the former PM of Israel´? It was an extreme israeli jew that didn't want peace. So in my view its not only the palestinians fault.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

Alright, its too bad there's no tone of voice online. I wasn't implying anything with my question, I just wanted to know honestly how the European media, like the media you see in Denmark, responded to the recent bombing.

Personally, I feel and get the impression that there is too much blame placed square on Israel for what is happening. I don't think one side is solely to blame, it is too complicated an issue with many layers to say its only one sides fault. Too many people, and even media organizations go to that conclusion.

The scary thing about this attack, was the Hamas confrimed that they were trying for a "mega-attack", trying to explode chemical tanks in the port full of Bromide gas and other toxic chemicals. This isn't the first time this has happened, they attempted to destroy a fuel depot in Tel Aviv, but failed to ignite a conflagration, and they also tried to bring down a tower in Tel Aviv (I fail to remember what its called) but failed. Its these kinds of attacks that are very dangerous in their potential for massive destruction rivaled with what we saw in Madrid.



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User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

Tbar220

I totally agree with you about blaming both sides.
But I don't want to sound disrespectful, the only way the palestinians can do any damage to Israel is by blow them selves and civilians up unfortunatly.  Sad
They don't have the same military equipment like the israelis. The palestinans have their small pieces of rock they throw at israeli soldiers to defend their land, and then the soldiers responds by shooting them.
So they can only see one solution. And that is to blow innocent people up which is really terrible. They dont have the chance to take a chopper and fly up to Mr.Sharons home and fire som missils into it like the Israelis does to Mr. Arafat.


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

An eye for an eye. My God, they've blinded themselves hundreds and hundreds of times. It's so disheartening to me.

25 Tbar220 : Qlguy4, If they are going to do an uprising, well, why attack innocent civilians? For one, its against the Geneva convention, and its completely immor
26 QIguy24 : Like I said: It is terrible to see when "palestinians" are doing suicide attempts. The real palestinians really want peace. But there are some who are
27 Tbar220 : What do you think ordinary Palestinians can do to get out of this culture of violence that surrounds them? They have poor leadership (Arafat), strong
28 Post contains images QIguy24 : No they cant.... That's what I have been trying to point out for you. They can't do shit as long there is no one there to help them. And you are right
29 Tbar220 : Sharon's visit to the temple mount was stupid, but it was not the cause of the uprising. Arafat had already been planning to start the uprising while
30 QIguy24 : I totally agree with you Tbar. And I have always wondered how the situation in the Israel/Palestine would be like if Sharon and Arafat was removed fro
31 Tbar220 : Yitzhak Rabin was a great man with a great vision. He was so succesful for one reason. Israeli's were tired of fighting, tired of war, tired of terror
32 QIguy24 : Do you know what other possibilities there are instead of Sharon and Arafat? I have beein trying to do som research a while ago, but couldn't really s
33 TodaReisinger : The palestinans have their small pieces of rock they throw at israeli soldiers to defend their land, and then the soldiers responds by shooting them.
34 Post contains images QIguy24 : Are you blind??????? If it is not rocks they are throwing. what is it then?? Have you watched new on the television?? There wasn't any peaces of rocks
35 Tbar220 : In the Israeli government, the Prime Minister can be voted out of office through a vote of no confidence, which results in the calling of new election
36 Post contains images QIguy24 : Hey Tbar220 The best of luck from here And once again, thank you for a descent debate..
37 Post contains images Fritzi : That's exactly the deformed way most Europeans are looking at the situation; "small pieces of rocks"...which are exploding killing dozens of innocent
38 QIguy24 : Fritzi I agree with you. Thats also what I have been trying to point out several times in this diskussion. But some people they just dont read the thi
39 Jcs17 : Israel could give the Palestinians everything they wanted and you want to know what would happen? More suicide bombings. Why, your simple mind might a
40 Fritzi : For Israel to continue to exist, they must respond with real force everytime a bombing occurs. So what do you want, should they respond with "real for
41 Avi : Tbar220: The scary thing about this attack, was the Hamas confrimed that they were trying for a "mega-attack", trying to explode chemical tanks in the
42 TodaReisinger : Are you blind??????? If it is not rocks they are throwing. what is it then?? Have you watched new on the television?? There wasn't any peaces of rocks
43 MD11Engineer : One thing I learned about militant / terrorist groups when I was living in Ireland (at the time of the Omagh bombing) and watched the whole Northern I
44 Tbar220 : Perhaps that's another reason, MD, I like your analysis. Maybe terrorism will never stop in Israel because those carrying out the attacks know of noth
45 QIguy24 : Toda Reisinger: Yes I have seen a picture of a blown up bus. I do watch the news. Have you ever seen a palestinians home after an israeli apache and b
46 QIguy24 : ooohhh Toda Reisinger I forgot to mention this one... How many Israelis has been killed by palestinian terrorist compared tp palestinians being killed
47 Phxairfan : A lot of people have good points in this thread, and I'll try to share my views on them. I first would like to start by posing a question. If the Pale
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