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England Beat West Indies!  
User currently offlineMrwayne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

England have finally beat the West Indies, in the West Indies!

Fantastic!!

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12637 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5547 times:
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Holy shit - we bowled them out for 47!  Nuts

47  Big grin

That's payback for some serious drubbings that have been inflicted on us out there!  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5531 times:

"That's payback for some serious drubbings that have been inflicted on us out there!"

Not quite - maybe a downpayment as some of those "serious drubbings" there (not to mention at home as well) were pretty severe.

Nevertheless very well done especially Harmison figures.

Now where's Banco's comment? Almost as good as a World Cup win eh?



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

I couldn't believe the amount of smegging slips they were using. Surely they must have left huge areas of the field exposed.

a good win


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Next thing you know England might draw a series with Bangladesh ???


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User currently offlineIndianFlyboy From India, joined Sep 2003, 294 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5518 times:

Mrwayne , you got that all wrong , beating is the wrong word it should be more like England thrashed/demolished/screwed the west indies. Man was that match worth watching , one session , an entire team bowled out and before you know it the other team won as well. Excellent piece of work specially after that rough patch England has been thru for the last couple of years.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5512 times:

A bit of a silly comment, Pacificjourney, considering England beat Bangladesh 2-0 only six months ago.  Big grin

At one stage England had 7 slips and 2 gullies.  Wow!

Funny game really. After the first innings it looked so finely balanced, and then it was all over. Harmison looked lethal, pace and steepling bounce, but in truth the West Indies batsmen should be taken out and shot for that display.

One other thing, England haven't exactly been on the receiving end against the West Indies that much in recent years. In the last series in England, the Windies were shot out for 54 and 61, so it's hardly unprecedented.

This one was the West Indies lowest score in their history however.



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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

I was simply making ligtht of Englands abilities Banco in that beating Bang. would be seen as an accomplishment rather than the bare minimum. Much like beating WI these days.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5504 times:

Oh, I know you were. Just teasing. I doubt the Windies have sunk quite that far yet.  Big grin

Maybe this will be the start of an England improvement. When you look at the side, there is plenty of talent. When was the last time England had two genuinely quick bowlers in Harmison and Jones?

The trouble is that Australia have been so far in front for so long. India seem to be challenging them now but apart from that everyone seems much of a muchness, capable of winning and losing to everyone (except Zimbabwe and Bangladesh).



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User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Low scores are infectious by the looks of it :

http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/AUS_SL_T2_16-20MAR2004.html



[Edited 2004-03-16 15:27:04]


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User currently offlineMrwayne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5492 times:

we beat the Aussies in there own back yard now the Windies BRILLIANT!!!

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5485 times:

We did? When? 1987 wasn't it?

Oh, you mean the rugby.  Smile Now, thrilled as I was about that, I think we're on to a bit of a loser mentioning cricket to the Aussies right now.  Big grin



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12637 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5483 times:
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To modify a famous sporting commentary:

"Malcolm Marshall, Joel Garner, Ian Bishop, Courtney Walsh, Curtly Ambrose, Michael Holding, Viv Richards, Gary Sobers, Gordon Greenidge, are you watching? Are you watching? Your boys took one hell of a beating!"

Lap it up while you can  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5481 times:
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I'm a bit more frightened of what Lara did after the Australian's dismissed the WI for 51 - couple of 200s and a 100; I hope history doesn't repeat itself!

David


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

I see no reason to be worried, David. After all, what has Lara ever done against England in the past...?  Big grin


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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6014 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5478 times:

Sounds like the Windies took one heck of a beating - being bowled out at 47 is baaaaad.

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

I once played in a side that was bowled out for 14, you know. I was (insert smugness here) 7 not out, watching with mounting disbelief the carnage at the other end.


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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6014 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

Ouch, ouch & double-ouch!

How the heck can you get bowled out for 14! The bowler must have hit the peak that day.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2238 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

I once played in a side that was bowled out for 14, you know. I was (insert smugness here) 7 not out, watching with mounting disbelief the carnage at the other end.

Bah, that's nothing. I once ended up 5* in a team total of 7. It was a six-a-side game though. Quite a bit of strange stuff happening in the cricket world these days. Bangladesh actually won an ODI after five years and 80 matches. The Windies collapsed in such an abject manner in Kingston. The Aussies and Lankans have a Murali-Warne war going on. India and Pakistan have wracked up 300+ everytime they batted in the series so far... there's no game like cricket Big grin



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User currently offlineIndianFlyboy From India, joined Sep 2003, 294 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Barf the fun part is the other team actually chases the total and gets pretty close to it as well . Damn 300's used to be so rare a couple of years ago , and now every match , both innings the score is above 300 .

Regards


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5462 times:

It's hardly surprising with those teams though. The batting line ups are fantastic, and the bowling line ups aren't - at least in terms of one day cricket - versus the batsmen. There's a bit of an imbalance. Shoaib and Sami might be seriously rapid, but they aren't that accurate. India's bowlers are all about swing and seam, both negated to some degree in the one day game by the fields necessary.

Now, Test matches, that's different, certainly India have shown they can mix it with the best, but since one day cricket is really all about the batting it really is fabulous to watch.

Oh, on low scoring games, I remember reading about a school game where one side was bowled out for 1 run. The schoolmaster apologised to his opposite number "I do assure you they can play better than that"; they did. They bowled out the opposition for 0! Big grin



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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

Recent spate of 300 plus scores also the result of embarassing Extra's scores. India vs Pakistan for example 21 and 37 respectively !

Any one recall the heyday of One day cricket in the early - mid eighties ? 280 at least for defendable score, around 300 being 'normal'.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

A high number of extras seems to be more frequent generally though. The Windies sent down more than 50 in England's first innings in the Test match. Disgraceful really. Certainly, there appear to be many more wides in Tests than I seem to remember twenty years ago.

Interesting use of "heyday" there, PJ. I feel that one day cricket is rather boring these days (the last two Pakistan-India games have been exceptions), hence innovations like Twenty-twenty cricket. At the same time, Test matches have become progressively more exciting.



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2238 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5454 times:

So how long do you think it'll be before the 400 mark for an innings is breached in ODIs ? Or for that matter, 200 for individual scores ? I believe both are in mortal danger in the India-Pakistan series. All the latter feat needs is a protracted period of utter insanity from Sehwag, and the former can just as well be accomplished by Sachin and the rest joining the party, or with examples replaced by Afridi and Inzamam on the other side. Imagine what the opposition captain would be thinking walking back to the pavilion for the innings break with the first team's score reading '406/7 in 50 overs'. Scary.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

Oh, it'll happen alright. I think that Sachin has a highest score of about 186 anyway, doesn't he? Going back 20 years Viv Richards scored something similar against England (who else?) in a one day match, though that may have been over 55 or even 60 overs.

As for getting 400, well let me put it this way: In the 20/20 last year, teams managed over 200 fairly often. It isn't that much of a leap, is it?



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25 Pacificjourney : I don't think 400 will even be approached. Yes there is a rash of high scorers at the moment but the bowling/feilding will pick up again and the score
26 Post contains images Banco : I don't know, trams are getting to 350 now, and if you look at the first ODI between India and Pakistan, there was a substnatial slowing down in the l
27 David_itl : Saeed Anwar clubbed 194no in a game (forgotten who against ) and Viv Richards did his 189no in 55 overs. Now if Pakistan were to bat 1st and actually
28 BarfBag : I don't think 400 will even be approached. Sri Lanka came within 2 runs of it, albeit against Kenya. India too scored something like 380+ twice, again
29 Post contains images Banco : Agreed. Even with a fast bowler, watching on television doesn't give you the true impression of pace, you have to actually be there to realise how qui
30 Post contains links Tsv : Well this one is getting close http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/AUS_SL_T2_16-20MAR2004.html [Edited 2004-03-20 05:45:00]
31 Post contains images Banco : Australia won, as no doubt Tsv will remind us all. Back in the West Indies, England have got Lara and co on the rack again after the first day of the
32 Pacificjourney : Oh yeah great batting track Banco, England 8-2. It's like the battle of the spactics out there ! If you want a great game then check out NZ slapping a
33 Tsv : Yes looks like a real sedate strip : "5.3 Best to Hussain, no run, wow! jags back something fierce - that was at a width to cut, when it pitched, but
34 Banco : The track will certainly deteriorate, but the two England wickets were rank bad batting. Anyway, it looks like this test might yet be ruined by rain.
35 Post contains links Tsv : and Pacificjourney cracks open the bottle of bubbly as NZ defeat SA for the first time at home : http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/RSA_NZ_T2_
36 Pacificjourney : Is defeat the word ??? Arse-rape more like ! What the hell has happened to SA ?
37 Tsv : Didn't your blokes do the same to India when they toured NZ?
38 Pacificjourney : They did indeed. It has been steady improvement for about 3 years now.
39 Post contains images BarfBag : Didn't your blokes do the same to India when they toured NZ? I take offense at that. Those damned Kiwis dug up their pitches and made us play on what
40 Pacificjourney : Dug up ? Try cyclone damage so it was shit for every one ! Imagine us touring in the monsoon ... and it's an outdoor sport so deal with it or take up
41 Tsv : "Also destroyed ... and Oz (at home) just before that so it's a trend indeed ..." Huh? Your guys played very well but "destroyed"? I think you are get
42 Pacificjourney : 3 games in a row, alright not destroyed but close enough.
43 Post contains images Banco : Barfbag, beats me how you can complain about pitches in New Zealand when everyone has to put up with blatantly doctored strips in India. "Hmm, we're p
44 Wally236ER : England beat the west indies again ! I cant believe what i am see ! Fantastic. West Indies 0 England 2 ?
45 Post contains images BarfBag : Barfbag, beats me how you can complain about pitches in New Zealand when everyone has to put up with blatantly doctored strips in India. "Blatantly do
46 Post contains images Banco : I think the issue with New Zealand in recent years has been the drop in pitches that they use because so many of the grounds are not specifically cric
47 Post contains links Tsv : "Interestingly they mastered Murali on the last tour but one, but when they were there last year he'd come up with his decidedly dubious delivery that
48 Banco : Yep, that's the one. The thing is, I've always felt that his ordinary delivery is probably OK, in that the rule states that it's the straightening of
49 Tsv : "Yes Mitires a bit flat. He's been up chucking all night. The Sri Lankans have rested him so that he'll be all pumped up for the match against Austral
50 Post contains links Tsv : I was just looking at this to see if it had started again : http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/AUS_SL_T3_24-28MAR2004.html and was intrigued b
51 Post contains images BarfBag : Warnakulasuriya Patabendige Ushantha Joseph Chaminda Vaas I don't see what's the big deal about this. Its quite straightforward really, and more impor
52 Post contains images Banco : That reminds of the famous sketch by the Goodness Gracious Me team, who all go out for "an English" after being in the pub all day. Naturally, chips a
53 Tsv : "Its not the fault of the average Indian kid if he mispronounces 'McGrath' or pronounces 'Waugh' as rhyming with 'fog' (which I did briefly as an elem
54 Post contains images BarfBag : By the way, when you were trying to pronounce Glenn McGrath, along came Anthony McGrath whose surname IS pronounced as it is written. This is part of
55 Tsv : "I'm *very* surprised how well Warne has done in SL so far, btw." You shouldn't be really. Give any Aussie a years holiday and they'll come back bigge
56 Post contains images BarfBag : "A year's holiday" ?! That's the best euphemism for a drug ban I've ever heard But seriously, I did expect Warne was hungry and all that, but my point
57 Tsv : "I think the third one will be drawn, though." No I think Australia will uphold it's reputation of losing dead rubbers and Sri Lanka will not want to
58 Banco : No, I reckon the Aussies will either draw or win that one. Back to West Indies - England, the Barbados test strip is rumoured to be something of a bat
59 Tsv : "No, I reckon the Aussies will either draw or win that one." Ya reckon? Have a look at the Day 3 Stumps score. You wouldn't want to bet on it! (That i
60 Post contains images Banco : Seems fairly even to me - Jason Gillespie isn't really a wicket to worry about. Are you watching it down there? Is the pitch deteriorating? (No, I wou
61 Post contains images BarfBag : No I think Australia will uphold it's reputation of losing dead rubbers Ah ha.. so that's the secret of beating the Aussies. Let them take the series
62 Post contains images Banco : Actually, before India's mighty effort last year, not only were England the last team to win on Australian soil from the year before, but they were th
63 Tsv : Stumps - Day 4 Sri Lanka require another 352 runs with 10 wickets remaining SL should win this tomorrow.
64 Post contains images Banco : SL should win this tomorrow. Good one, Tsv, don't forget the smilies next time. I reckon (weather permitting) Australia will win by 150 runs.
65 Post contains images Tsv : Sorry didn't know how to add them except for the old way so had to learn the new way like . But I was serious. SL have made a reasonable start but loo
66 Post contains images Banco : Whatever you do, Tsv, don't go into business as a bookie. Australia won by 121 runs. In the Pakistan -India match, Virender Sehwag went berserk (as us
67 Tsv : OK. But you must admit when one is wrong about these things it's still bloody good! Umm dare I ask what happened between Rule Brittania and Vive le Fr
68 Banco : France were terrific, that's why they won. England are definitely misfiring at the moment, they're certainly not the side we saw demolishing all and s
69 BarfBag : So the Aussies whitewashed the Lankans after all. Amazing. It certainly puts India's recent performance against Australia in even greater perspective,
70 Tsv : "So the Aussies whitewashed the Lankans after all. Amazing. It certainly puts India's recent performance against Australia in even greater perspective
71 BarfBag : Oh I certainly agree, though Warne being in the team would probably not have mattered much against India considering his past performances against us.
72 Post contains images BarfBag : Sehwag was finally dismissed for 309, and India declared at 675/5, with Tendulkar unbeaten on 194. Sachin has not yet been dismissed in this calender
73 Post contains images Banco : A triple ton and you're disappointed? Barfbag, you are a very hard man to please.
74 Post contains images BarfBag : Its all about the symbolism of 300. When you make a hundred no one really cares about whether you'll make it to 200. At 200, there's a faint interest
75 Banco : Now that's a good point. Considering the players that India have had over the years, it's quite amazing that it's taken until now for someone to post
76 Tsv : "He did make his triple ton away against a powerful Pakistani pace battery, not a Zimbabwean schoolgirl attack like Hayden did" Way to demean his effo
77 Post contains images BarfBag : Tsv: 1. There's no comparison between India's past inaptitude with respect to the WACA and that of Hayden. He's an Aussie bat, and certainly knows how
78 Tsv : 1. Hayden's a QUEENSLANDER not a bloody Sandgroper! 2. There is no comparison between the WACA and the Gabba. 3. The performance of the attack does de
79 Post contains images AirJamPanAm : Holy S**T!!! Not one poster from the US on this topic? This was huge sports news in the UK and the Caribbean! WOW Is this the only way to exclude us A
80 BarfBag : 2. There is no comparison between the WACA and the Gabba. The Gabba is still a great place for a fast bowler. The intention of playing the first test
81 Tsv : "The Gabba is still a great place for a fast bowler. The intention of playing the first test there was obvious, though it didn't work against us." Huh
82 Dasa : Tsv, the WACA is no longer the fast bowlers paradise it once was, and is comparable to the Gabba. In fact, Perth is probably THE most batsman-friendly
83 Tsv : Dasa your "argument" is unconvincing. I'm a reasonable person. An "argument" will be convincing when everyone in a Bulls XI says they'd rather bat on
84 Dasa : I didn't realise fact was an argument. Geez, some of you tend to take your support of Australia to nationalistic levels. Can you not admit that Hayden
85 Tsv : The only fact is it's a WORLD RECORD.
86 Banco : Of course it's a world record. Nevertheless, it is true that many observers of the game have expressed regret that it came against such a weak side as
87 BarfBag : For sheer scale of achievement, among triple centurions my personal #1 would easily be Hanif Mohammad's 337 against the Windies in Bridgetown, 1958, f
88 Banco : The thing to remember about these performances back in history is that they were on uncovered pitches. So, if it rained, you were stuffed. Many of the
89 Post contains images BarfBag : Oh, I forgot Butcher. Heard it was an awesome knock, but I really didn't follow it much, and my involvement in it was no where near the scale of how c
90 Banco : Well that's the difficulty isn't it? If you haven't seen it, it's hard to comment. I only kept up with Laxman's 281 via the internet, sat at work in d
91 Tsv : No offence Banco but as much as I would like to see England win the series against the Windies (yes seriously) I hope the Windies win the next Test so
92 Post contains images Banco : It doesn't matter does it? Anyway, it diverged during the periods when England and the West Indies weren't playing. The third test starts in a couple
93 David_itl : Good 1st day for England despite Trescothick getting out cheaply again. WI should have made a big total but they decided that instead of playing caly
94 Banco : Trescothick's place must be in some jeopardy. His footwork is absolutely shocking for a club player, let alone a Test player. More than that, minimal
95 David_itl : Get Butcher to open or promoto Strauss? Hopefully, they should be around the 300 mark by the end of today, give or take the thrower err.. slingshot b
96 Post contains images Banco : Yes, I did read that article. Very interesting indeed. I suppose ultimately you have to go with the experts on this, no matter how it looks to us. By
97 David_itl : If England get to 200, they might still be in with a chance of winning the game (hopefully Thorpe will decide to receive approximately 99.9% of the b
98 Tsv : You've got your wish - the 200 is up. Thorpe appears to be batting very well.
99 David_itl : And we took the lead (perhaps Thorpe's the best batting performance I've seen "live") and then led Chris Gayle up the garden path before delivering t
100 Tsv : "All set for very close match." I'd guess that you'll win by about 6 or 7 wickets. I followed the last 60 or so runs of the England innings. The Windi
101 BarfBag : Windies are 63/6 now after Matthew Hoggard's hat trick. England pretty much have this in the bag, even though Lara is still at the crease. I don't see
102 Banco : It keeps raining. However, they came back for five balls and Freddie Flintoff bagged another, so now it's 80-7. A word on Thorpe's truly stunning inni
103 David_itl : WI 94 all out....should England's tactics to blast the 93 to win in 15 or so overs (with Trescothick scoring a magnificent 5) to confirm their superio
104 Scbriml : England 57-1 Vaughan just out.
105 Post contains images Scbriml : England 63-1 after 13 overs. I much prefer this way of chasing a low total, rather than the approach of a few years ago of trying to build it slowly,
106 Post contains images Scbriml : Some people are on the pitch! They think it's all over.... IT IS NOW!! England 93-2, Trescothick out for 42 just before victory. Series win in WI
107 Sammyhostie : England have won the series now fantastic well done boys WEST INDIES 0 ENGLAND 3
108 Banco : Mmmm. Too many false dawns to get really excited, but there does seem to be real promise in the young bowling coming through. James Anderson is on the
109 Tsv : I hope so for all your long suffering Pommy sakes and also next time you tour Oz it will be a real see-saw close run series!
110 Banco : I suspect Australia will also dip in the next couple of years. Many of the truly world class players are coming towards the end of their careers and w
111 Tsv : "Bump" (So you can continue the well deserved celebrations) Well if they look like getting too close and we want to ensure a win we'll just have to ap
112 Post contains images Banco : Extremely hot weather always creates the risk that Andrew Flintoff might do what he did a couple of years ago and remove his shirt. Are you sure you w
113 David_itl : Talking of Flintoff, he's one of the 5 Wisden Cricketers of the Year, the others being Graeme Smith, Gary Kirsten, Ian Harvey and Chris Adams. David
114 Post contains links Banco : Yes, I saw that. Here's an extremely good article, in the FT of all places, featuring an interview with Nasser Hussain. As is so often the case, Hussa
115 Post contains links Tsv : Thanks for the update on Pakistan and India Banco. Interesting comeback by Pakistan after the First Test. http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/I
116 Post contains images Banco : It isn't necessarily a list of players who are the best in their field, it's a list of players who have made an impact for one reason or another. Take
117 Tsv : Too late it's all over! Very cheeky! I notice you didn't say anything about my "I'd guess that you'll win by about 6 or 7 wickets." statement earlier.
118 Post contains images Banco : Nah. Sometimes it's better to say nothing and let you stew. I really can't predict who'll win thr decider. Both sides seem to have had one sub-par per
119 Tsv : What? So you can bet on the opposite? Umm really I hadn't thought that far ahead. To be honest not having watched it on TV I can't get a feel for and
120 Post contains images Banco : But of course! I tend to agree with you actually. After they were stuffed again in the last Test (don't forget, all three were pretty even at the half
121 Tsv : That was a quick response! What's the time over there? It's 01.21 here at the moment. I'm still up just doing a bit of surfing when I should be trying
122 Banco : It's late afternoon here. Australia should have "nilled" them last time out, but of course the Windies chased 418 to win. I remember watching that too
123 Tsv : You've got a good memory (unless you are looking it up like I had to!). And it is interesting that Chanderpaul was a big contributor to that win at An
124 Post contains images Banco : Actually I did remember. Not sure whether that's impressive or just sad. Mind you, it is a world record I suppose. That's what was impressive about th
125 Post contains links TSV : Fixing that link up : http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002-03/AUS_IN_WI/SCORECARDS/AUS_WI_T4_09-13MAY2003.html and I should have clar
126 Post contains images Banco : Why are you suddenly in capitals? Have you put on weight?
127 Post contains links TSV : Yes I have as a matter of fact for a number of reasons : not well; office bound/lack of exercise; and existing (not just pre Easter/Easter) chocoholic
128 Post contains images Banco : This pitch looks an absolute road. The ball hasn't moved off the seam once all morning. West Indies are 98-2 at lunch. Darren Ganga was out plumb lbw
129 David_itl : When do you expect Lara to get to 381? I think it will be just before lunch, though one must question the preparation of the pitch by Andy Roberts -
130 Banco : I agree. Just before lunch seems favourite. Whilst getting a score like this has to be lauded, it is noticeable that the England players don't look fr
131 Tsv : 357 no. Unfortunately can't stay up and "watch" this any longer but wrt : "and then Lara had a real escape when looked to have nicked one behind to ne
132 Pacificjourney : I predict a win to the Windies, England not having the focus or inclination to really try. No batting wicket is really THAT easy. Wish Brian would hur
133 Tsv : There he's got it and what a way to equal it and then get it. 6 and then 4. Now off to get some sleep.
134 Post contains images Banco : I guess we'll see how easy it is when England come to bat. What price Michael Vaughan finishing 450 not out? Lara is 390 not out at lunch, and he's go
135 Ryanb741 : Lara got 400 not out. Unbelieveable innings considering the pressure he has been under. England are 52-2, but the 'catch' on Vaughan should never have
136 David_itl : Well it seems all the glistens is not gold for Lara with his "drop" of Flintoff....about time a fielder "paid" for the act of throwing the ball into
137 Banco : Yes, that was really funny. Did you see Fidel Edwards taking the mickey out of Lara in the warm-down? I'm sure England will bat rather better in the s
138 Post contains images GKirk : Go West Indies
139 Tsv : "What price Michael Vaughan finishing 450 not out?" Interested in what price you got? And what price are you getting for the second dig? Sorry had to
140 Post contains images Banco : You know, I was actually thinking about that post when Vaughan was dismissed - and I was waiting for you to say something. Irony of ironies though, La
141 Post contains links and images Tsv : And I thought you were just letting me stew (again). Just a couple of minor points though : "he goes on to (a brilliant, and [insert "AFTER THAT"] cha
142 Post contains images Banco : Well, it was meant to be irony. I heard Hayden interviewed onthe BBC earlier today, and he was saying that he felt somewhat ambivalent about Lara brea
143 Tsv : "Well, it was meant to be irony." Sorry I'm just a dumb convict. But then again that is ironic - sending your criminals to the greatest place on Earth
144 Post contains images Banco : Sorry I'm just a dumb convict. But then again that is ironic - sending your criminals to the greatest place on Earth while the rest stay behind in the
145 David_itl : Well, three dropped chances and batting for the longest time in his career resulted in test century number 3 for Flintoff. Only in one over did he blu
146 Tsv : "Are you watching it down there, or are you just following it on text updates or something?" Just on that link as I don't have Pay TV - Fox/Telstra/Au
147 Post contains links Banco : I don't think that Lara's knock in any way hampered the Windies going for a win. They had two and a half days to bowl England out twice, more than eno
148 Post contains images BarfBag : I think it'll be 3-0 for England, or even a whitewash. Looks like I'll get my prediction right about this series! Oh, after day 2 of the India-Pakist
149 Post contains images Banco : I remember Atherton saying that. Nearly caused a diplomatic incident too! But then Atherton never did suffer fools gladly, and was equally cutting to
150 BarfBag : The Rawalpindi pitch is a greentop, which is a gamble for a test played at this time of the year - it gets bloody hot and the pitch dries out by the e
151 Post contains images Banco : That 300-400 target of course, being to avoid an innings defeat! Andy Roberts was pretty open about it, saying he'd prepared a pitch to ensure that th
152 David_itl : Well India were finally all out for 600 so leading by 376 with Dravid ending up with 270! David
153 Post contains images BarfBag : Batting right after fielding 2.5 days in the Caribbean sun giving away 750 odd is never easy. Its difficult to keep the eye on the ball and prevent th
154 Post contains images Banco : Dravid's class though. Boring to watch, but class nonetheless. I couldn't be less surprised to hear of his innings. Still, all things considered, it l
155 BarfBag : Dravid's a bit like Sir Len Hutton. Not the greatest person to watch, but someone with a propensity to put his head down and build an innings of subst
156 Banco : Well, it's partly because of Britain's position in the world, old-fashioned as that might seem. But it has nothing to do with the safety of the player
157 BarfBag : You could apply all the statements about Zimbabwe to Pakistan as well - the latter too is run by a despot who refuses to allow any real democratic ins
158 Wally236ER : Great going boys we are proud of you all .
159 Post contains links Banco : And England won the first ODI last night by two wickets. Barfbag, here's an interesting article on the Zimbabwe crisis written by Henry Olonga. I'm no
160 Post contains images BarfBag : That's an interesting article, Banco. I would say the point of disagreement on our part lies not in the question of whether the ZCU and Zimbabwe at la
161 Banco : The point about the effectiveness of a boycott is well made. By way of background, Olonga was strongly in favour of a boycott until recently, but he n
162 Post contains images BarfBag : As for England boycotting Zimbabwe because of their past, that wasn't quite what I was trying to convey, and if I left you that impression I apologise
163 Post contains images Scbriml : Barfbag, Tell us about it! We're grinning more than the most grinning thing they make at the grinning thing factory.
164 Post contains images Banco : I think he's just after perfection, Barfbag. As long as he doesn't end up as ratty as Hussain did when his cohorts played like cretins he'll be fine.
165 Post contains links Banco : In other news, the Guardian is reporting that Murali's doosra has been found illegal: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket/story/0,10069,1194917,00.htm
166 Post contains images BarfBag : There was always a slightly masochistic pleasure in seeing Hussain go purple with rage in the field when his bowlers refused to deliver anything othe
167 Post contains images Banco : Look, if you've got the world's only non-spinning spinner in your side, on spin friendly pitches, against one of the best batsmen in the world, what d
168 Post contains images BarfBag : Oh, I wouldn't know - I'm a fast bowler myself. Roll over and play dead perhaps ?
169 Post contains images BarfBag : Interesting article about Murali, BTW. I haven't really been able to conclude from the TV whether he chucks, though his quirky action seems to suggest
170 Post contains images Banco : The thing about Shoaib is that there is clear hyper-extension of the elbow. If you slow his action right down the arm extends back past the point of b
171 Post contains images BarfBag : The suspicion of him comes along because he appears to straighten his arm, not because the arm itself is bent - that is perfectly permissable. Conside
172 Post contains images Banco : Giles, who's he? Well, that's why I said that if we are going down the route of having technology answer the question, then we have to abide by what i
173 Post contains links and images BarfBag : Looks like England's tour of Zimbabwe is on, as of now: http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/APR/130138_ENG_21APR2004.html Several int
174 Post contains links and images Banco : Yes. I think saying that English opposition is "denominated in pounds" is a bit harsh when they're being threatened with bankruptcy if they pullout. I
175 Post contains images BarfBag : Interesting article. I didn't check the identity of the deported journalist before you mentioned it; considering the racial tension underlying the fra
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