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Volkswagen GOLF. Help!  
User currently offlineNworlnsbearcub From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

I need your suggestions!

We are in serious 'look' mode for a new vehicle, and I test-drove a Golf the other day. I love the fit, and finish of VW's, but I read from the VERY reliable Consumer Reports, that the Golf in particular is VERY unreliable, and is prone to problems. Keep in mind we are talking about the current model.

Does anyone have any suggestions, ideas, input ???

I prefer the Dogde Ram, or Jeep Liberty myself, but the Golf is a great-(looking) car as well!

Please let me know what you think!

Michael
MSY


Long after the thrill of low price, lingers the bad taste of low quality..
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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Consumer Reports is just one source of information along with everything else. I used to treat their auto report as a bible, until I bought a car and found out their reliability reports are bullshit  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Look at the reliability rating for the 2000 Nissan Maxima, and it shows there are very few problems with the Ignition system. Well, myself and thousands of other people over at http://www.maxima.org have had to spend hundereds of dollars replacing ignition coils that CR claims are fine.

VWs are probably not all that less reliable than other cars but what you really have to watch out for with them is the price of dealer labour charges and part replacements out of warranty. So if you are only keeping the car for four years, sure, go for it - the VW Golf is comfortable and handles nicely. If you are intending to keep it longer, I would reccomend you make sure you get a good independant mechanic

Hope you and your signifigant other find a car that you both love, my hubby can't handle the Max and makes me do all the driving - the accelerator in the car is very sensitive and he treats it like it is an "on/off" switch. Fine with a little four banger but a little more of a problem with 220+ horses underfoot  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

EDIT: I would reccomend you take a look at the forums at VW Vortex http://forums.vwvortex.com/ for real owner's opinions.


[Edited 2004-03-16 21:03:51]

[Edited 2004-03-16 21:12:54]

User currently offlineKLM777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

In The Netherlands VW Golfs are #1 on the list of leased cars, I guess they drive them while keeping in mind that it's not theirs, so that would explain the consumer reports (at least in The Netherlands).

I think the VW Golf is a very nice car, but at least over here they are way too expensive. I don't know what they cost in the US, but I would search for another car with better value for money. But that's just my opinion, if you have the money and don't really care about value for money, go for it!

Kind regards,

Jeroen



Every landing is a controlled crash
User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

Poor reliability seems to be a common trend with all new VW's.. haven't read any sources that said otherwise.

[Edited 2004-03-16 21:53:49]

User currently offlineNworlnsbearcub From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

Dude,

I said that the magazine is reliable! Not the car!

Michael
MSY

Thanks to everyone, and anyone with input.



Long after the thrill of low price, lingers the bad taste of low quality..
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

No. If you read the post he said "I read from the VERY reliable Consumer Reports, that the Golf in particular is VERY unreliable, and is prone to problems".

User currently offlineGo4EVA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

VWs are great. My sister loves her ~3 year old Beetle.

DO NOT BUY A CHRYSLER PRODUCT.

Sorry to shout but those cars are disasters on wheels, especially with the "Ultradrive" 4speed automatic. Consider yourself warned friend.  Smile

Good luck in your search !


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

I can't really say that any of my family's VWs have proven unreliable, except the 1980-something Passat (the last model of the "square" ones) had an automatic transmission that broke about 3 times.

Other than that, the coolant pump of the successor of that Passat (also a Passat, this time manual with a TDI) failed once. The current Passat, also a TDI, hasn't caused any real trouble since December 2002. The only things that come to mind are that it wanted an additional litre of oil during its earlier days (Summer of 2003) after a long and fast stretch of Autobahn and some unimportant malfunction of one of the a/c air outlet flaps. And if you stall the engine and restart it while still moving, it may come up with three warning beeps - whatever may be the reason for that.

The Polos haven't caused much trouble either, but they're used mostly for short in-town trips anyway.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7917 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

From what I have heard, VW (at least in Germany) have overcome problems with reliability. The Golf V profits from the experiences VW made with the Phaeton.
A Golf is most likely more reliable than a Jeep.



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1184 times:

We don't have Golf V's in the US yet... he's probably getting an MK4. Reliability is subjective... VW's require patience and care. They're not Toyotas which are as durable as rocks (and about as stylish).

User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1181 times:

I'm on my second Jetta. My Dad is on his first Passat after having two Jettas of his own. I love them and would buy another in a heartbeat.

I'm not a fan of American cars, and Japanese cars all look the same lately...If you're not looking for a lot of space, have you given any thought to the Mini Cooper S?

G


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1179 times:

My first car was a VW Polo and my second car (that I am still driving) is a VW Golf. I can absolutely not complain about VW, both cars have never seen my car dealers garage from the inside, except for delivery and for the regular inspections every year. I can recommend VW products.

Only problem at VW: The yearly inspections are really expensive ("I" paid 220 EUR for my last inspection  Nuts, thanks for paying it, dad  Big thumbs up) and the new Golf is totally overpriced, at least here in Germany!

Patrick


User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1169 times:

Well, well. Didn't know VW were actually sold in the US.
You know how most Americans feel about American cars. If you care much about what others think of what you drive I should stick with an American car. If you don't give a damn buy a VW. Their engines are famous for being unbreakable.
Or don't buy a car and do a round the world trip. I personally don't give sh Big grin t about cars or what someone think about it. My goal is to get from A to B as cheap as possible. I'd rather go RTW.

Uhm...I'll do you an offer you can't refuse. I'll buy you a new Golf and you buy me a new Wrangler or a grand Cherokee. Deal? Big grin



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User currently offlineNworlnsbearcub From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 1158 times:

Uhhh.. I don't know where you've been living for the last several decades, but VW has been sold here for just about forever, and NON-American cars seem to outsell American far more. Americans want a quality car, overwhelmingly, and don't care what others think.

I know for a fact that the Dodge Ram is a high quality product... It's the Dodge cars that are shit. I'd NEVER buy one.

All of this is swaying me back and forth! Great overseas, bad here ? Damn...

With my partner's help, we'll probably end up with a Taurus.. *blech* Used to be great! WHAT HAPPENED to them ? They look awful...

WHO KNOWS!

Michael
MSY



Long after the thrill of low price, lingers the bad taste of low quality..
User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 1155 times:

All cars built on the platform that underpins the Golf, Jetta and New Beetle, including the Audi TT, have performed poorly in CR reliability surveys. The VW models sold here are, I believe, mostly made in Mexico but I don't think that's true of the Audi TT. The Passat, on a different platform, is much better, too early to tell about the Toareg SUV. A shame because, with the old Beetle, VW used to have just about the best reputation for quality. Pity they're not making the old, air-cooled Bugs anymore, I'd snap up one in a heartbeat, noisy, slow and uncomfortable as they were.

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

Ugh, the Taurus has to be one of the worst cars out there now. Underpowered, bad fuel efficiency for the power output and brakes that are below standard. I have had them as rentals many times.

If you are looking for a big car, the Crown Vic or Grand Marquis is a lot better. Very comfortable, and gets similar mileage to the Taurus despite having a V8.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1133 times:

Well, I'm joining this VW thread late, I'm so ashamed.  Big grin

I've had my 97 Jetta TDI for about six and a half years now. Out of pocket expenses other than routine maintenance has totalled less than $500. That was for a battery (not routine maintenance as it died in under 2 years, a power steering reservoir, wiper stalk, and diagnostics for uneven turbo boost). That's definitely excellent in my book for a car with 212,000 km's. Because of my positive experience, my friend's mom bought a 2000 Beetle TDI, and it has been okay, but not great. Despite that, it has 220,000 km, and is still solid, and drives incredibly well. It will last a long time still. She just took delivery of a brand new Touareg V6 this week, and I'm hoping it will treat her well.

My two bosses bought 2003 Jetta TDI's just over one year ago, and they've been flawless. My dad drives a 2001 Passat 1.8T and the only expense outside routine maintenance was for an airflow cover underneath the vehicle that got damaged somehow, otherwise it's been flawless too at 75,000 km. So if you take my experiences and of those that I know well, in my opinion VW's are still very good cars.

To get a better idea for your case though, it all depends on your expectations. It also depends on what engine you are looking at. Like has been said, if you want numb, mindless transportation, the Japanese have that market cornered. If you want low finance rates and cheap parts (which are replaced frequently) go with the American companies. If you don't mind more expensive parts but to have a vehicle that maintains its value very well, drives very nicely, and has a nice overall feel, plus 12 year rust warranty, the VW's are great vehicles. If you want another small, but fun car, check out the Mazda 3. It's quite a bit less expensive than the VW's, but provides an excellent chassis.

I know this is a long reply, and I hope it's not too confusing. Let us know what engine, etc, you're looking at, and ask any specific questions. And just like CPDC10 said, check out http://www.vwvortex.com as the ultimate resource for VW's.

Good luck!

Nuno.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineNworlnsbearcub From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1105 times:

Oh Joy...

We're getting a 2003 Taurus SES....... *sigh*

What a thrill.




Michael
MSY



Long after the thrill of low price, lingers the bad taste of low quality..
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1104 times:

I currently have a Golf IV 1.6 16V that has proven to date to be as reliable as a nail (a lot !). Before that I had aPolo (which you don't get in the US), and again, just as reliable. So I would say go for it !!!

BTW Patrick, apparently we have the same car  Big thumbs up

UTA



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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1093 times:

Uhhh.. I don't know where you've been living for the last several decades

I believe in the Netherlands.  Big grin
I've never been in the US of my life so what I've said in my previous post isn't based on facts I guess. However, (the following ísn't meant offensive, so please don't shoot me for it) Hollywood only shows American made cars and many American a.netters, with al due repect, are very font of American products. Besides many American a.netters often think of, for example Airbus as European crap. This all made me think European products as VW don't stand a change in the US. Well, we are all in the forum to learn isn't it?

I've had a 17 year old Golf II. It was still a reliable car. Had to dumb it at the scrapper because it was too expensive to repair all the little things for the annual inspection. If money was not an issue for me I would buy a new one.

Just curious. What do you pay for a brand new Golf in the US.

Aviationfreak






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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1090 times:

This is what I get for not coming into work for a day...

Anyways, reliability is a pretty relative term these days. Most cars tend to do pretty well as a rule. But we have been spoiled by the almost trouble-free Japanese cars for the past 15-20 years.

My brother and sister-in-law have now owned 3 Volkwagens in the past few years. A 2000 Passat GLS 1.8T, a 2000 Golf GLS 2.0, and a 2003 Passat GLS V6 wagon. The first Passat was trouble free for the 3 and a half years that they had it. The Golf, which my brother bought used in 2002 with only 10k miles on it has been almost trouble free. He had a rear brake rotor wear out very early... he had it replaced a few months back with only 25k miles on the car. But that has been the only issue with the car. The wagon, in the 6 months that they have had it, has been trouble free.

A few big things about VWs, not all dealers are equal. Some downright suck, some are excellent. A place like VWVortex would be a good place to find out who the good dealerships are. Likewise service departments vary as well. It would be worth your while to search out a good independent shop that is familar with VWs for any non-warranty work that you might need done.


Overall I think the Golf is a great little car. The 2.slow feels like it has more power than the 115hp number indicates. But just don't ask it to be a freeway racer. I really would have liked to have gotten one when I bought my car, but it was out of my price range and I had to settle for a (pretty nice actually) 2002 Mazda 626 instead.



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User currently offlineNworlnsbearcub From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

The dealer wanted approx 17,000 USD for the Golf.


There go my dreams....... :-(

Michael
MSY



Long after the thrill of low price, lingers the bad taste of low quality..
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

Michael, VW sales are in the crapper right now, so you can do some serious bargaining these days. They will still be more expensive than the Japanese or American rivals, but not drastically so. Shop around to find a better deal, or then just settle for the Taurus! It's your choice.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1557 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

BTW Patrick, apparently we have the same car

Me too.  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1015 times:


Aviationfreak,
I just picked up my new 2003 Jetta (Wolfsburg Edition) in December 2003. Although I leased it, the purchase amount on my invoice came to roughly $32,000 CAD (about $20,000 Euros) including taxes. I got a pretty good deal on it, and with the trade-in value I got for my 1998 Jetta, my lease payments came out to $7 more per month.

For comparison purposes, the Jetta Wolfsburg is similar to the VW Bora Sport with the 1.8T engine, bigger wheels, additional sport package, BBS rims, etc.

I would attach a photo, but I don't know how, and it's late and I don't feel like figuring out what to do. Let me know if you want me to email it to you.

Nuno: I'm disappointed in your late entry to this thread.

Regards,
G





25 174thfwff : VW customer service is shit. I know cause I had a Passat. I suggest you look elseware.
26 Post contains images VonRichtofen : "or then just settle for the Taurus!" Why settle for a Taurus when he could have a start of the art Chrysler Intrepid that'll roast anything on the ro
27 F.pier : But in the US do they sell Golf IV or Golf V?
28 F.pier : I also see that Golf in the US are very cheap. They start from about $ 15.000 which are € 12.500 Here the cheapest Golf is about € 18.000 (Golf V)
29 DesertJets : The Golf V is not yet available in the US. I think the 3-door GTI first shows up this fall, followed by the Jetta, and the remainder of the Golf Vs sh
30 Captaingomes : The first of the new "A5" platform cars will show up late in early 2005. The first will be the new Jetta, followed by the GTI. The actual Golf will no
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