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The Collapse Of China?  
User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1608 times:
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I recently heard that China has a very serious problem. As you may know female babies are less desirable than male babies in China . Couples are allowed one child and if they find thast their fetus is female it will be aborterd. This raises an enormous problem, the ratio of female to males turns out to be 117 males to 100 females. Now, if you do the math and figure that over a billion people, the ratio is heavily lopsided. In the future the females will become sparse and then males will resort to such actions as prostitution and rape among other terrible things. Also with such figures it may be fair to raise a question; will homosexuality increase? I would have to say yes. If those three factors increase, another huge problem comes up. That problem is AIDS. AIDS in China, is more out of control than any other place besides central Africa. This shows when you mess with mother mature, you will lose!

Source the Washington Times

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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Exibit 31002623856823769327581385 as to why communism is bad. God.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Trijet,

Its a tricky situation, but I don't think it will lead to the collapse of China. AIDS is pretty bad here in the USA, there's a high rate of sexual violence, and we're still around.



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User currently offlineTrijetfan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1588 times:
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China is a lot different from the United States of America


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Well of course, but again I don't think that the spread of AIDS and the lack of women will bring about the collapse of China. It will probably cause problems, but its a big country with lots of economic potential, so I doubt it will be catastrophic.


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User currently offlineTrijetfan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
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Tbar220-
Well when I said the collapse of China, I meant the collapse of communism and their way of female discrimination.



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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

The female discrimination bit is a cultural thing; Communism has little to do with it, aside from allowing it to continue. It's rooted in the value the culture places on males over females.

Some parts of Indian society have a similar problem; several news magazines published years ago about how the proliferation of cheap ultrasounds in India has been linked to a spike in elective abortions; in nearly all cases they brought up, the babies were aborted because they were girls. India is supposed to be a free and democratic country.

Personnally, I think the collapse or effective dissolution of Communist power in China is inevitable. While it's easy to be a an authoritarian dictatorship over a backwater with people more concerned with finding their next meal than politics - because keeping the people poor isn't so difficult - it's not as easy in a country in which computers and television are proliferating and the Internet are flourishing, and consumer goods are becoming more and more common. People get richer, and are able to feed themselves without much trouble - then they start to make grumblings about how they can't speak their mind about political issues.



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

AIDS is pretty bad here in the USA

AIDS is not "pretty bad" in the United States. Despite what you might hear from the media, AIDS is no longer a huge health risk in the US anymore. Do a large percent of people still have it, absolutely, but a lot more people die of cancer and smoking. Go to Africa or some parts of Asia and you will see where AIDS is "pretty bad." In fact, I wish the government would begin cutting funding back for AIDS research (no I'm not saying cut it all, not even by half), but its largely a preventable disease and people can live nearly a full life with HIV without it developing into AIDS with the great drugs we have today. There are some real killer diseases out in the world today--a lot of which have no cure, and in the US HIV/AIDS simply isn't one of them anymore.



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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

"Great Drugs we have today."

Go ask someone with AIDS what a "drug vacation" or "drug holiday" is.


User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Exibit 31002623856823769327581385 as to why communism is bad. God.

Yeah Yeah Yeah.. communism is the root of all the world's evils... Do we have to hear it from you another 31002623856823769327581385 times?

Come back and talk to me in 5 years, young man. Then we will see if you still have all the answers to everything.


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

TriJetFan,

1) AIDS is not specifically related to homosexuality. In which world do you live ?

2) Homosexuality is not a consequence of Men/Women ratio. Where did you hear that crap ?

3) AIDS will probably not make any country collapse, but will perhaps lower the average age of death.
In some African countries, the "hope of life" is as low as 30 years due to a high AIDS rate and no medication.


User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Exibit 31002623856823769327581385 as to why communism is bad. God.

Capitalism is centred entirely around greed. Nothing more -- nothing less. Greed! If there was a 'god', there is no way that he would endorse capitalism as a way for humans to live.

Luke 12:15 -- And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

If anything, 'god' would want us to live in a socialistic world, where wealth is distributed, where there is no greed, everyone is provided for, etc.

So in future, please be a good right-wing christian fundamentalist nutter, and don't try to use your 'god' as justification as to why communism/socialism is a bad thing  Insane


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

Capitalism is centred entirely around greed. Nothing more -- nothing less.

That's unfortunately true. And that's the reason why Communism doesn't work: Egoism and greed is ALWAYS stronger than the system. The natural individualism is so strong that you can't force people to share.



User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

Capitalism, Communism, yeah ok...

Let's not allow L.1011 to ruin this thread and take it off-track with his immature comment.

The desire to have boys and all the awful things done to 'help' change the balance is a purely cultural thing. It has nothing to do with political ideology.


User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

Goose

In India it is no more allowed for a couple to try to know what will be the sex of the baby before birth. An it is much better like that.

Please do not mingle Indian culture with Chinese one.

Thank you. Kilavoud.


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Kilavoud,

I'm merely relaying what I've read about and have seen - the TV news magazine was put out by the CBC years ago, I believe. I remember it quite well, as it was part of a school course I was taking at the time.



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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13605 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1433 times:
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Capitalism is centred entirely around greed.

"Greed is good." - Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas), Wall Street

Capitalism works when there are checks and balances - but then again Aviatsi...err, Russophile, I'm sure you're aware of that...and that it works far better than communism ever did.

But I digress.

TriJet makes a very valid point - circumventing natural selection to have a disproportionately higher population of males vs. females can have a negative impact on society.

Time will tell whether or not it has a profound impact on China as a whole.



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User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

The root of the problem is that the COMMUNIST based government is limiting couples to one child.

The cultural issue in China is rooted far in the past. People were so poor that having male or female children could make or break the extended family. Male children would grow up to be higher producing laborers to support the expanded family latter in life. Female children would produce less in terms of labor as they grew older and into adulthood.

A female offspring would have to carry a dowry that would be given to her husband upon marriage - another cost. It came down to the extended family surviving, not males being better then females. People in China today still carry that thinking today because it has been so rooted in their cultural heritage.

God provides for the birth of both male and females - he would never condone selective abortions. This is man deciding what is "best"

God does not support Communism, Socialism, or even Capitalism.

"Isms" were the creation of "man" not God.

God wants us to have free agency - to make our own decisions. He gives us direction but his greatest hope is that we will choose his path over any other not because of money, fame or because he ordered us to do it....

Authoritarian rule is the opposite of what God wants for us.... Satan's way is one of authoritarian rule, not allowing us free agency.


Think of the relationship between God and man as a parent-child relationship. The Father would want the child to be free to pick their own path and be happy. He wants them to follow his advice because they chose his way not because of the threat of the "hammer"

I would also like to point out that freedom of religion was not allowed in the communist systems. I wonder why?


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Go ask someone with AIDS what a "drug vacation" or "drug holiday" is.

Go ask someone with Alzheimers or ALS what drugs are slowing the progression of their disease down.



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User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Right, so Communism in China (basically the Chinese government) is evil..

...unless that evil communist government helps you all to get cheap Nike shoes and that $99 DVD player, right?

Most favoured nation??? Hypocrites. Absolute hypocrites.


User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Ben,

Do you live under a harsh authoritarian rule?




I didn't think so......


User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13605 posts, RR: 61
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1367 times:
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Right, so Communism in China (basically the Chinese government) is evil..

...unless that evil communist government helps you all to get cheap Nike shoes and that $99 DVD player, right?


Actually Ben, I think you're astute enough to know that the consumer products manufactured in China are a direct result of that country beginning to lean towards capitalism, or at least dabbling in it a bit.




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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Do you live under a harsh authoritarian rule?

Of course he does. It's called the Blair government.  Big grin


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16280 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

In due course, as baby girls become outnumbered, they will become "valuable" again. In the meantime, a gender imbalance will help restrict population growth, which can only be good for China.

Nonetheless, the baby-girl killing is a scathing indictment of Chinese societal morals....given its widespread appeal.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

There's just under 1 million HIV sufferers in the US, Jcs.

Are you willing to tell them...all of whom will suffer an agonising death...that AIDS isn't a major problem? One in every 293 people in the US has HIV.

Despite the fact that 4 million people have Alzheimer's, it's ludicrous to say that HIV/AIDS isn't a problem in the US.


25 Alessandro : Hardly, I think PRC is overpopulated anyway, so a smaller in population would be good.
26 Trijetfan1 : "Great Drugs we have today." Go ask someone with AIDS what a "drug vacation" or "drug holiday" is. Tell that to CDC bio level four workers who dress u
27 StarAC17 : The one child policy is intended to decrease the population of a nation that has nearly 2 billion people in the 3rd largest landmass. It is not as evi
28 SKYSERVICE_330 : I am well aware that great advances have been made and I praise research from AIDS meds, however I wanted to point out the fact that being on drug the
29 Vafi88 : The root of the problem is that the COMMUNIST based government is limiting couples to one child. - northcountry. You have to think about these things,
30 Jcs17 : There's just under 1 million HIV sufferers in the US, Jcs. Despite the fact that 4 million people have Alzheimer's, it's ludicrous to say that HIV/AID
31 North County : Their food production would go up in a less restrictive economy.... Sounds like those defending the one child rule on this forum were all first born m
32 Post contains images Go4EVA : Well, I have a son and a daughter. Obviously I love them both tremendously. Each one has a unique personality and endearing qualities. The Chinese par
33 777236ER : Statisitically speaking, ...anything's possible! two aren't even comparable thanks to the fact that people with HIV/AIDS live close to normal life spa
34 Wally236ER : China is such a big country,the people in the far out-reaches need to be educated and the government need to be persuaded to change some of their idea
35 Post contains images Go4EVA : China is such a big country,the people in the far out-reaches need to be educated and the government need to be persuaded to change some of their idea
36 Kilavoud : I must tell one thing ! I discovered the Chinese culture, as I had the opportunity to stop over eight times last year in Singapore, each time two or t
37 Docpepz : Kilavoud, Singapore is not in China, you may realise...haha. Singapore's culture is Singaporean, not totally Chinese. And remember that many ethnicall
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